Rab

That's because the PF board at the time crashed spectaularly and my entire login/post count was lost. So when they sorted it out, I created a new profile in May of 2004.

Chop, my Cossie was so shit an RST was a step UP I'm convinced it was bannana shaped

Not quite that epic.................

Richie.

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I haven't read the thread..................but yes you are

Rab

Coming from a bloke who sleeps 3 1/2 inches above another man

Glenn_

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Isnt that the size of his tail.

Mike1

Do you mean they don't handle as well as a newer car? Or 'don't handle' compared to other 25 year old cars?

This was the car that with the same amount of power, same ( or slightly narrower ) width tyres, same weight was just as fast ( or faster ) on a road or track as what people, even these days, will tell you was the 'best handling M3 ever'. That was a good trick SVE managed to pull off with a car that didn't handle! I seem to recall the four wheel drive ones didn't do too bad in road comparisons either. One of the current EVO writers said he'd pick a 4x4 Sapphire Cosworth over an Integrale to attack a twisty piece of road.

And do you mean 'handling' or 'roadholding/grip' ( 2 different things ).

I'd agree though, an unloved car with knackered shocks, bushes, 330bhp of peaky power delivery and on a set of Linglong Ditchfinders will feel horrible

Rab

So it was YOU who bought my old Cossie????

Staffi

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Not needed Jay.

Ł1100 RODJOB with a GT3071, S209 or 205 and map nowhere near 6k Jay and will see you 500bhp allday long, it's be proven, fook 6grand..

No wonder you want to sell if you've been paying those costs...

Jay,

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im so fucking bored i nearly had a magenta (ford racing brown )2wd saff Saturday to dont get me wrong the evo is great but my attention span is fuck all to nothing and common sense says keep it but like i say the devil finds work for idle hands

Cossiemainful

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not, if the tuning is bad..... Saw more blown evos than cossies tbh. And the cossies weren't standard. That could mean that evos were more often bad tuned than cossies or evos aren't so reliably as many say. But never mind. Both cars have good and bad sides.

And it is natural, if for example a gearbox crashed if the power is higher than the gearbox can handle........ has nothing to do with reliability.

Cossies are more special (racing history), Evos more mass-produced, that's the reason for the cheapness I think, even if the quantity is getting rare.

Would go for an underrated cossie than for an overrated evo (don't mean evos are bad or outstanding good). There are much more better and underrated jap cars than evos like Charade GTti, Mazda 323 etc. if you ask me but tastes differ.

Mike1

- that seems to be A LOT of what people base their experiences on.

As they're a Ford, it takes a fair few years before people start lavishing the care and attention on them that stuff like the E30 M3 has enjoyed fairly consistently.

Friend has had a few Merc 190 2.3/2.5-16s.

The first one he had he got really cheap.......it was a 2.3 and it was a bit knackered - odd tyres, tired bushes and links. If you based your opinion of those cars on that example you'd have a far different viewpoint than if you tried his current 2.5-16. That REALLY does feel great to drive.

vroooom ptssssh

Do it Rab, I'll even sell my S1 if you sell the Evo...we can buy a sapph each and help each other through what's going to be hell

Rab

Utterly LOL! Moral support

cossievodaz

Im experiencing the same thoughts after saying i will never go back to a cossie, although i love my evo im looking about for another 2wd.

So are we both stupid lol.

Rab

I have to say, I get these notions now and then, but they always pass. The evo starts every time I get in it. Never breaks down (I've fucking jinxed the thing now ) and drives great. I just have rose tinted glasses on for the Saff....

vroooom ptssssh

These feelings you speak of, I have these also! (no the car ones not the gay ones, mate... )

The last cossie I drove, I fucking hated too... why, why...

Rab

Yeah yeah. I know how you want me. See you tonght shnookums

DAN P

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Got rid of my cossie a few years back and have not looked back there old and Shit and always brake

Mike1

4-pot calipers on the front of the 2wd ones - that's why.....

xr4x4rs

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but there shit std wether there 4 pots or not, though the evo brembo 4 pots are shit aswell

Mike1

They weren't working properly then - the standard 4 pots are great brakes for a car of that era - road testers raved about them compared to stuff that was on BMs and Mercs of that time

xr4x4rs

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yeah back in the day but nowdays there shit

Mike1

They only had to stop a 1200kg car with 200bhp - have a look at an M3 or M5 from that time and see if you think Ford short changed 2wd Cossie buyers

If you compare a 25 year old car to a modern one you can point out lots of deficiencies. An F40 or 959 get comprehensively tonked by the latest offerings.

Harris.

You are full of it !!!!!!

xr4x4rs

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yeah ok, so you really think those 4 std 4 pots are always going to be up to the job on a cossie thats stage 3 upwards?

because i dont, i dont even trust my brembos all round, let alone std cossie brakes

Staffi

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Rab,

Come and see a shrink with me "YOU MUST CLEAR THESE SAPPHIRE THOUGHTS"

xr4x4rs

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but what you got to look at is you being picky becuasethe lad said brake not break, when you know full well what he meant, so i just quoted you on how shit they are but also agreed that modern brembos are just as bad

then as you went back in time for some strange reason and are still living in the past, in std form and new the 4 pots would be ok, but after over 25 years things start to get a bit worn and will never be upto the job of modern calipers

so next time instead of being a picky person because someone misplaced a word, try not to come back with a sarcastic reply, then the conversation would of been kept on track

and harris dont know what your problem is, have never seen a positive post or useful information out of you

Mike1

Went back in time? The cars were built 25 years ago......

Shock horror! Apparently new tellies have a better picture than those made 25 years back

xr4x4rs

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exactly my point, you went off subject, and started going on about brakes, for no reason when you knew clearly well he meant breaks, which tbh cossie do there old hat now, hence i wanted something fun, reliable and didnt break down or make me worry everytime i drove it, doesnt mean i still wont own a cossie though

Rab

Need more than a shrink Pete. I'm thinking about Hypnosis......... Get it sorted so every time I look and a nice Saff and think, hmmmmmmmmmmm, I do a funny wee dance and cluck like a chicken or something That'll cure me

Mike1

To be honest I'm not sure what your point was other than that you said the brakes were "shit". I just pointed out, if you compare them to other similar road car brakes of that time they were actually very good.

xr4x4rs

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because i was stating they are shit lol , i didn't care what they were like new, i also didn't compare them to modern brakes or cars from there own era, i also said that i wouldn't trust them and that i don't even trust my brembos all round on my evo

Mike1

So you've stated that they are "shit".....but then gone on to say that you don't care what they were like new. You say you're not comparing them to modern brakes or even brakes from their own era?
What do you regard as "shit" about them? Lack of stopping power, design?

gjh

Just get a cossie bought! Now!

lee2cossies

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So the thread starter states thinking of getting another Cossie? Then almost everyone on this thread replies don't do it keep the Evo. Typical passionford! The name should be changed to passionevo.

Jay,

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I agree RIGHT drag Rab outside and shoot him in the bollocks with a cork gun

gjh

No, not evos, cossies!!!

Rab

Thanks Jay...... But it's ok mate, all the cossie owners have convinced me to keep my Jap shed

Jay,

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REALLY

And spose to be none to clever to

Fury RS

I done it, owned a couple of Sapph Cosworths mid 90's, 2wd and 4wd, 3 Evo's, IV, VI, VII in the mid-late 00's, been back in Cosworth ownership since last July after selling my Evo VII XT330, the Evo was a great car but I just get a better feeling when out driving my Stage 3 Sapph and so far it hasn't broken once...

dakar

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god i,m confused now reading this thread,am i gonna regret selling my saff to buy an evo or scooby or will i never look back