McGoo 69

Got some quick questions to help me along with my build.

I was wondering is there any difference between the floor pans and chassis gear found on the standerd sierra and sierra cosworth? im talking about the rear axel, front cross memeber anti rollbars and the floor pan its self

if there is any differences between the standerd sierra and sierra cosworth what are they?

only reason i ask is because ive just bought a mk5 escort with a sierra floor pan and was wondering what beams i should use before i get the one i have shot blasted and painted

cheers

Cossie Sean

when i built my mk5 with sierra floorpan i used boggo 1.8cvh floor and fitted everything from my 2wd saff, only ball ache was spacing g/box mount and shortening prop slightly

both beams 7/7.5 have same mount positions etc

4wd have slight diferences like front o/s tunnel wider than early 2wd stuff
front chassis legs have half moon cutouts

thats main differences on floorplans

i still utilised mk5 rear top mounts, has yours?
pics would be sweet :P

McGoo 69

why did you have to shorten the prop? mine has used the full sierra floorpan with the escort mk5 shell on top

am i better of using a cosowrth rear beam so i can use the cosworth diff?

also whats the difference between escort cosworth suspensions and sierra suspension? do i need to buy escort cosworth coilovers or sierra cosowrth coilovers?

mine is using the sierra suspension tunnels. all i have to do it fit standerd escort rear tubs so i can bolt my cage to them as i have a cage for a fwd escort to go in.

pics to follow

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

Mate just stop fucking about and buy a real one

McGoo 69

McGoo 69

im only 22 not wasting all my dollar on a genuine one just yet.

plus this can be built to my spec and i enjoy doing it and learning from it. my project has taken a u-turn latly and much hasnt been done for along time ive jst been collecting parts but now ive got my new shell its game on..


ohhh did i mention i have carbon fiber body pannels :P

Cossie Sean

***pics!***

McGoo 69

above! :P

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

I have just been reading your project thread, I just don't understand all the time and money spent only to abandon it and start again? Why not just buy the real thing, enjoy it, look after it, and probably see an increase in value over the next few years?

McGoo 69

its not 4inches to short at all, its 1.5" max and that is lost in the front triangulations which got to the front strut. i only have to replace 2 bars on my cage. and for the price i paid for my cage it isnt worth me doing it any other way as itll cost a shit load more.

all i have to do is fit the escort mk5 fwd rear tubs and my cage will bolt up exactly as it should. its a much more involved long arse way to do it but its the only way itll meet my budget. ive got to buy a doner car anyway as i want a non sunroof

ill get pics of the cage later.

Cossie Sean

didnt see it, feck aff lol!

i have 0 pics of mine, but it did have widebody fibreglass arches, with xr3i/RS2000 bumpers first, then sold it with ESCOS one fitted

pics look well mind, you will get FAR more satisfaction from your car than an esocs, but if you buy a pukka one it does feel different, cant explain lol

Shell is done well,
few points:
Loose the STD crossmember, make a bolt in/weld in one just after radiator, dummy fit one then trim it off dude.

Expensive top mounts needed as yours has been chopped off!
gpA/WRC setup, yaaaaaaaaaaay camber adjustment!

Cossie Sean

The angles involved are nowhere near anything that is any good with regards suspension geometry, i know because thats how i built mine!

for the sake of modding the cage pickups, its a no brainer, but its your car and am not knocking it just saying how mine was done , i used an escos one as the heigt to the roof was fucked up using STD cage compared to cossie one, when useing cossie one rear suspension pickups were off.......

p.s on full load swing the springs hit the inner arch tubs

McGoo 69

again its all down to money and age for insurance

basicly bought my first project escort rep when i was like 17 or something, and as soon as i started working on it my ideas were getting bigger and bigger, i was buying realy decent parts which were out growing the fwd platform and would have made the car look better than it was.

i bought the rs2000 doner car to finish the project quicker as i was doing alot of faffing about with it as i didnt have anywhere perminant to work on it at the time.

i then decided that after all the work i did to the old shell there was no way of me treating the old standerd ford rear quaters which where behind the fiberglass extensions, bonded over the top. this left me with a problem as i dont like to turn a blind eye to things, so i ripped the fiberglass rear quaters of to find the standerd metal quater had rusted badly behind the fiberglass as i expected..

so now i had alot of cosworth specific parts without a car with cosworth arch's..

at this point i could have bought a cosworth shell but again i wouldnt have been able to insure it and enjoy it regularly like i want to. So i then bought a set of carbon/kevlar wrc front wings, sideskirts and rear quaters which i was going to fit to the rs2000 but then this shell came up at a steel so i snapped it up as it was secretly killing me building it all on a fwd shell as ive since had rwd cars (e46 + e30) and ive got used to it

i know ive messed up doing it this way but ive not lost too much money, its just the way things plan out im glad its planned out like this as i havnt wasted some of my epic parts on fwd

i like the project ive learnt alot doing this and nothing can put me off. i want to build my own car bolt by bolt to my spec no one elses. this is the only way i can make it my own rather than paying 11k for a escort cosworth and having no other cash to play with to modifiy

McGoo 69

yeh itll be good to have a rwd escort insted of a 4x4

and i enjoy doing it myself as the rewards are far higher

i already have the eccentric top mounts ive just gotta buy the discs to go on top to strengthen them up

im going to do the cross member last once all the wings are fitted, first job is to fit the cage and seat mounts all tht sorta shit first.

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

I'm not having a go at all mate, I just want to help you out and see you with the best car you can get for your ŁŁŁ , the sad thing is regardless of all your hard work, if you do ever come to sell it, a chopped about mk5 replica will be a nightmare to sell and won't release anywhere near the ŁŁŁ you spend on it. You can pick up a half decent Escos shell for sensible money now, but it is STILL an expensive way to do it.

Trust me, I looked at building one, and it worked out far far cheaper just to buy a working car! Insurance will be about the same for a real one, unless you are going to insure it as a non- cosworth, which would be a very bad idea!

McGoo 69

which angles? roll cage angles?

the rollcage i have is a 90% fit, everything is inline, tight upto the roof, window bars where they should be, pillar bars where they should be. all i have to do is fit the escort rear tubs like i say and alter the front bars going to the front strut. the rest of the cage is untouched

if you knew what i paid for the cage brand new then youd use it too haha, ill get pics tommorow of how it is mocked up and ull see its a good match

Cossie Sean

pm me for help, i dont/cant read every post but will help when and how i can matey, but your going about it the right way, i made a custom steering column so u could use a mk5 RS2000 steering wheel with custom pickups, loads of subtle thngs make the build YOURS

McGoo 69

oh i know, ive had this discussion with many people. and im sure to everyone else it does seem pointless doing it this way but its literaly just the way the project has run its course. orignaly i was just ment to buy the 1st rep, do the work it needed for mot and drive it but that never happend lol

and ive thought about selling it on also and ill just have to sell it as a rolling shell and sell the rest seperatly, but im realy not thinking of selling just yet haha

i paid 500 for my sell as is ive nt seen a escort cosworth shell go for less than 1500 yet so its roughly the same including my pannels.. but mine will be lighter :P lol

this project is just a learning curve for me, im pushing onto stuff ive never done before and just cracking on with it, the only way i can learn is by doing it so thats the main goal for me.

if i can finish my car with a well spec'd 300bhp ish zetec turbo for around 10k in total id be happy as id have a rwd track ready cosworth for the same price as a standerd cosworth..

yeh its not got a yb but itll still have its advantages.

and i deffinatly will be insuring it properly as ive invested wayyy to much time and money into it for the insurance to do me over

McGoo 69

cheers mate i will do!

its deffo going to be my build. im not shy and dont just follow the crowd theres alot of concourse boys on here who will disagree but atleast im gettn my hands dirty!

Cossie Sean

angles from rear suspension wishbone pickup, to escort mk5 strut tops is silly angle and also you need very long and custom made rear struts! not worth it bud, honestly.

Modify your cage, its only a few fuckin bars, and not expensive!

if you wanna ring me again, pm me and ill send you my number, ive been there and done this and some of it is easily overcome and saves huge costs, like Ł1680 worth of 2x rear coilovers i had made then found they were fucking useless as on full arc/swing the springs hit the inner tubs!

phil_rs

iTrader: (3)

Totally agree Will! Look what I paid for my old gloss black one

Cossie Sean

p.s FUCK the concourse, its not an escort cosworth, its a cosworth powered escort

up the haters lol

the hard work is done, this is easy, and wiring, i used a mk5 escort fusebox, imagine taking longer to wire the car than fabricating lol

phil_rs

iTrader: (3)

No hating here mate, looks a great project tbf! Just wondering how much it would cost to build?

Cossie Sean

but thats a run of the mill escort, the satisfaction involved is massive, i wish i had pictures of mine

McGoo, finish the escort

Just noticed you have a build thread lol
on it now

***P.S not haters of this car.......... sounded wrong and not meant to sound how it reads***

martysmartie

iTrader: (1)

If you planning on creating a Escos replica then forget it, been covered numerous times before!

The Escos is nothing like a lesser model, it's a shortened Sierra floor pan and running gear, basically the only thing it has in common with other models is the name.

As said it will cost you a lot, if not more money then buying a genuine one would do in the first place.

You can't have a full Sierra floor pan, it simply would be too big for the shell, so someone must have grafted the pan in, basically what Ford did in the first place.

To answer your question, none, a Cosworth is simply based on a base model 3 door or a Saph, dependent on model, there are lots of other differences elsewhere though, in terms of the chassis setup and brakes etc, all of which you would need to sort out.

No one is putting you off, if it's what your set on doing but it just seems kind of daft when you consider the cost involved and that you could actually buy one with what you will spend.

Martin

phil_rs

iTrader: (3)

I personally wouldn't call any escort cosworth run of the mill lol ok so they aren't exactly special but neither is a mk5 escort with a sierra floor and escort cos panels..... Did I just describe a certain car there? Lol!

McGoo 69

i know what your saying but that wont affect me, my cage bolts to the rear tubs not the strut tops, like fudgeys did

this is his 3door cage



if i fit FWD escort Tubs to my shell my rollcage will meet the tubs just like fudgeys, so all mounting issues will be sorted. then its just a case of replacing the front triangulations with longer ones to accomodate for the extra length the sierra floor pan has given me.

itll be alot easier to understand if i had pics so ill get em tommorow.

the reason i down want to modifiy my cage too much is because its brand new and has the fia certificate and i got it cheap. its a sparco 10/12 point cage

Cossie Sean

no, you describe buying an escort cosworth, or building a car from scratch, i cannot describe this, but i would never buy an escort cosworth again, ever.

Escort cosworths were built in masive numbers and fully trimmed and panneled are worth the cash, but i wouldnt buy one as i dont value the parts or money they are valued at.

id rather build my own again.
the reason i had to use escos wings and arch extensions is obviousley rear arches were tubbed and i couldnt get any wheels to offset within STD widths, and didnt want F2000 style ones.
Front Escos ones, fuck me, obviousley the wheels are nowhere near the STD escort position!
but i did use xr3i/RS2000 front bumper

this is my opinion and i am entitled to it, as to are yours

people want different things in life and cars is one of mine, if you seen the pics of cars i have bought then built from that you would be genuinley shocked!

but thats me and this isnt my thread

each to their own and big up THIS build

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

I'm all for building and modifying cars, but it makes no sense to spend all your time and money making a worse version of what a manufacturer already made for you?

McGoo 69

im not going out to make a escort cosworth replica as such.. you guys can call it what you haha the cosworth has always been one of my favourite cars, i wanted a project and i wanted it to look like a escort cosworth.. so here i am lol

and you can have a full sierra floor pan as thats what mine has. the only difference in size between a escort cosworth and standerd escort is in the front arch's

and as for money its a project im not to botherd on what cost more or less i just want to enjoy building it and have a decent car at the end of it

McGoo 69

im not saying the shell is special, its a means to a purpose. itll do the job intenend just as well as any sierra/escort cosworth

Cossie Sean

McGoo

then your cage will be fine, but i did it differently as i used suspension pickups, and dont forget sierra rear turrets are purely for shocks and are not desiged to take the forces of coilovers or springs and cars running coilovers regularly split pannels due to stress fractures.

id seam weld and double up on metal work if using sierra rears and coilovers.

Getting around problems before they aeise lol

see the big gap i was on about, thats what i meant with escort turrets etc

Cossie Sean

escos shell, bare, say 2k? (were when i built mine)
my nacker cos shell Ł180 (inc mig wire,gas ad materials)
pannels, Ł210

looked like an escos to me and no shoddy floor numbers with cheao insurance, and fuck me i know all about wringing shells

McGoo 69

its hardly going to be worse when its been made the same way ford made the escos orignaly?

its well known that all ford did was stick a escort shell ontop of a sierra. thats all that has happend here but it just didnt happen in a ford factory.

again im not concourse i have a mutual respect for other peoples cars and builds weather it be orignal or home made, and it realy doesnt make me smile anyless knowing that mine isnt a genuine shell. ill still get the same grin factor from it

McGoo 69

cheers for the heads up, i know there designd just for shocks but when people convert to coilovers from shocks i dont see too many people reinforing the tubs/struts? im going to double skin them anyway and seem weld but i just need to know how far i have to go.

cheers for the help and good gestures sean im sure we will be having many more chats in the future about this lol

Cossie Sean

you get massive creaking with 909 stuff,

am not gonna say much more here cos i think its pointless, but ive just PM`d you my numbers,
i will halp you as much as i can, ive dont this and will only give advice, NOT instructions.
its your car and will be built your way, yeh? Stay with YOUR build!

McGoo 69

yeh its always a tricky topic to stay ontop of when none genuine items are involved lol

dont worry i have 90% of the parts now anyway so it can only go one way lol

cheers dude

Cossie Sean

Its YOUR car and YOUR build, remember that.

McGoo 69

haha of course dude its been mine from the start if i cared about what others thought i wouldnt have bought a rep in the first place haha, ah well it had loads of genuine cosworth bits on so i got money back of it

mk22door

Freakin' nice one if you ask me