fiesta rs turbo, is this a ringer or not,
09-02-2012, 04:18 PM
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fiesta rs turbo, is this a ringer or not,
after finding this listing
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-ford-fiesta-rs-turbo-project-/250988439147?_trksid=p4340.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3D PI.WATCH%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26p s%3D63%26clkid%3D6210840936108060531
found this on ebay with these questions
Questions and answers about this item
Q: You do realise it is illegal to re weld the tags back on, don't you?
A: Dear crap.60, There is a fine line within the dvla of restoration of a classic vehicle( pre 1997) if the chassis of the original shell is kept it is not ringing, in the case of the fiesta the chassis is the floor of witch... Continue reading
Q: Hi is the shell a genuine rst on the log book?
A: Yes it is.
Q: Hi, what did you do regards to the floor numbers if reshelled? Thanks.
A: Original numbers were re velded back in
Q: how much you looking at?
A: Dont have a buy it now price, open to offers mate
Q: hi there if i come and view the car how much will buy me the car as i will be cumin from blackpool thanks jay
A: You can come view it anytime but do give me an offer if u wanna buy it before u come and i will consider it, otherwise u can just come and view it and then have a think or we can have a chat then.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-ford-fiesta-rs-turbo-project-/250988439147?_trksid=p4340.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3D PI.WATCH%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26p s%3D63%26clkid%3D6210840936108060531
found this on ebay with these questions
Questions and answers about this item
Q: You do realise it is illegal to re weld the tags back on, don't you?
A: Dear crap.60, There is a fine line within the dvla of restoration of a classic vehicle( pre 1997) if the chassis of the original shell is kept it is not ringing, in the case of the fiesta the chassis is the floor of witch... Continue reading
Q: Hi is the shell a genuine rst on the log book?
A: Yes it is.
Q: Hi, what did you do regards to the floor numbers if reshelled? Thanks.
A: Original numbers were re velded back in
Q: how much you looking at?
A: Dont have a buy it now price, open to offers mate
Q: hi there if i come and view the car how much will buy me the car as i will be cumin from blackpool thanks jay
A: You can come view it anytime but do give me an offer if u wanna buy it before u come and i will consider it, otherwise u can just come and view it and then have a think or we can have a chat then.
09-02-2012, 04:33 PM
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kinda yes
its not legit to weld in the old chassis to the new shell like that unless its a new shell but if either shell isnt stolen then its not much harm
stolen car put onto legit id- naughty
crashed car/id reshelled onto a stolen shell/car- naughty
rotten/crashed car reshelled onto a used replacement shell -should have the replacement shells id (ie 1.4 ghia or summet)
but it its not nicked nobody is looking for it so its a reshelled car and you take your chances on that but dont get hoooked up on it, loads of the rs's that are still around are old skool ringers
it would take less than 2 minutes to steal an rs that wasnt belled or immob'd up
think how tempting it would have been waling about in the mid to late eighties with brand new performance cars everywhere that you could steal in seconds
my old man had a series 2 in the eighties with no alarm or immob but he kept it garaged. someoen did try to nick his 4x4 calibra when he went into a shop iun aboit 92 tho, vauxhall deadlocks kept it where it was parked tho
its not legit to weld in the old chassis to the new shell like that unless its a new shell but if either shell isnt stolen then its not much harm
stolen car put onto legit id- naughty
crashed car/id reshelled onto a stolen shell/car- naughty
rotten/crashed car reshelled onto a used replacement shell -should have the replacement shells id (ie 1.4 ghia or summet)
but it its not nicked nobody is looking for it so its a reshelled car and you take your chances on that but dont get hoooked up on it, loads of the rs's that are still around are old skool ringers
it would take less than 2 minutes to steal an rs that wasnt belled or immob'd up
think how tempting it would have been waling about in the mid to late eighties with brand new performance cars everywhere that you could steal in seconds
my old man had a series 2 in the eighties with no alarm or immob but he kept it garaged. someoen did try to nick his 4x4 calibra when he went into a shop iun aboit 92 tho, vauxhall deadlocks kept it where it was parked tho
09-02-2012, 05:15 PM
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i did spot on ebay a black cossie 3dr thats being broken, seller is willing to sell shell and/or i.d
that might be against ebay rules
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1808003504...84.m1436.l2649
that might be against ebay rules
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1808003504...84.m1436.l2649
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correct me if im wrong a ringer is a stolen car using the id of a current car so there is two fo them ? if so its not a ringer !!!
a reshell is what it is a reshell its had a new shell tbh i wouldnt have cut and rewelded the plates in id have cut them out and kept them and kept the shell with its originall id .
a reshell is what it is a reshell its had a new shell tbh i wouldnt have cut and rewelded the plates in id have cut them out and kept them and kept the shell with its originall id .
09-02-2012, 06:06 PM
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It's a shell of one car that's been given the identity of another. It's about as much of a ringer as a ringer can get.
An old friend of mine had a S1 that had been reshelled like this, he lost a fortune as it was pulled in for inspection during a private plate transfer and was almost seised and destroyed. Ended up quickly on a Q plate. The DVLA were not happy at all!
I wouldn't walk away I would run like fuck!!!!
An old friend of mine had a S1 that had been reshelled like this, he lost a fortune as it was pulled in for inspection during a private plate transfer and was almost seised and destroyed. Ended up quickly on a Q plate. The DVLA were not happy at all!
I wouldn't walk away I would run like fuck!!!!
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09-02-2012, 06:14 PM
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As this sort of thing will be pretty common in years to come i would photograph every action taken when the restoration was done and keep the floor section as proof-ish as it's always going to be difficult explaining to a prospective buyer that you have cut the floor out of said car
09-02-2012, 06:16 PM
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correct me if im wrong a ringer is a stolen car using the id of a current car so there is two fo them ? if so its not a ringer !!!
a reshell is what it is a reshell its had a new shell tbh i wouldnt have cut and rewelded the plates in id have cut them out and kept them and kept the shell with its originall id .
a reshell is what it is a reshell its had a new shell tbh i wouldnt have cut and rewelded the plates in id have cut them out and kept them and kept the shell with its originall id .
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09-02-2012, 06:28 PM
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i saw a mk2 escort vin plate and log book sell on ebay last year for over 400 pounds
who ever bought that must of had a stolen car or had there eye on one, it happens all the time.
when i worked in a car dismantlers in the mid 90s we had boxes of log books stolen they was hardly ever sent off as scraped in them days and half the shells where nolonger in the yard (crushed) people even used to climb the fence and steel plates vins old tax discs ect. the owner could did not car at the time.
who ever bought that must of had a stolen car or had there eye on one, it happens all the time.
when i worked in a car dismantlers in the mid 90s we had boxes of log books stolen they was hardly ever sent off as scraped in them days and half the shells where nolonger in the yard (crushed) people even used to climb the fence and steel plates vins old tax discs ect. the owner could did not car at the time.
09-02-2012, 06:38 PM
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correct me if im wrong a ringer is a stolen car using the id of a current car so there is two fo them ? if so its not a ringer !!!
a reshell is what it is a reshell its had a new shell tbh i wouldnt have cut and rewelded the plates in id have cut them out and kept them and kept the shell with its originall id .
a reshell is what it is a reshell its had a new shell tbh i wouldnt have cut and rewelded the plates in id have cut them out and kept them and kept the shell with its originall id .
Thats classed as a clone as to copy the identity, a ringer is more to take the id off one car to put it on another.
09-02-2012, 06:45 PM
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correct me if im wrong a ringer is a stolen car using the id of a current car so there is two fo them ? if so its not a ringer !!!
a reshell is what it is a reshell its had a new shell tbh i wouldnt have cut and rewelded the plates in id have cut them out and kept them and kept the shell with its originall id .
a reshell is what it is a reshell its had a new shell tbh i wouldnt have cut and rewelded the plates in id have cut them out and kept them and kept the shell with its originall id .
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There's a few different views on here about this but actually to the letter of the law what the guys done is illegal,he's removed the identity of one car and placed it on another without the consent of insurance or Dvla,bear in mind Dvla/police can provide a SABTVR***** number as I had a few of these in the early 90's.
If I was to buy that I'd flatten out the original numbers to make it a blank shell,maybe even weld a new floorpan in to blank it with photos of what I've done should I ever get pulled then contact the Dvla ASAP to ask how I go about getting my chassis number restamped after I replaced the floorpan due to rust.yes,mr Dvla man,I did retain the rotten floor piece complete with chassis number.
The polis will have little to no interest in that,90% won't even know what it is.
The guys probably genuine about what he's done but it does seem strange that the I.D wasn't retained from the original shell,insurance job maybe?crashed without insurance?finance owing?was an xr2i or 1.1 converted over and he thought it worth more on an rst logbook?who knows.
It's worth the money in bits really or even just finish and use as is,looks clean enough to me.
If I was to buy that I'd flatten out the original numbers to make it a blank shell,maybe even weld a new floorpan in to blank it with photos of what I've done should I ever get pulled then contact the Dvla ASAP to ask how I go about getting my chassis number restamped after I replaced the floorpan due to rust.yes,mr Dvla man,I did retain the rotten floor piece complete with chassis number.
The polis will have little to no interest in that,90% won't even know what it is.
The guys probably genuine about what he's done but it does seem strange that the I.D wasn't retained from the original shell,insurance job maybe?crashed without insurance?finance owing?was an xr2i or 1.1 converted over and he thought it worth more on an rst logbook?who knows.
It's worth the money in bits really or even just finish and use as is,looks clean enough to me.
10-02-2012, 08:24 AM
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If i was to buy that i'd want to see both id's. Its the only way to make sure that both were legitimate cars in the first place. Still wrong though.
10-02-2012, 08:55 AM
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Wouldnt touch it as it looks shit and from the "resto" I expected to open an ad with a decent looking car.
That said, whether you agree or disagree, the only reason that this thread has even been posted is that the guy has admitted to doing it, how many hundreds of RS's get reshelled (RS2000/3Dr's/Saph/Escos/S1) the vin plates get swapped onto 1.6 shells or whatever and no one's any the wiser, I'm not saying its right but the term ringer doesn't automatically mean it's stolen. I know loads of people who have done this and I've considered it a few times myself, what would you do if you're pride and joy got wrecked or was rotten to the core with good service history etc etc and you couldn't find a brand new or decent shell of the same model and all the old paperwork, ofcourse this is gonna happen.
That said, whether you agree or disagree, the only reason that this thread has even been posted is that the guy has admitted to doing it, how many hundreds of RS's get reshelled (RS2000/3Dr's/Saph/Escos/S1) the vin plates get swapped onto 1.6 shells or whatever and no one's any the wiser, I'm not saying its right but the term ringer doesn't automatically mean it's stolen. I know loads of people who have done this and I've considered it a few times myself, what would you do if you're pride and joy got wrecked or was rotten to the core with good service history etc etc and you couldn't find a brand new or decent shell of the same model and all the old paperwork, ofcourse this is gonna happen.
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does happen alot, i bought a j plate fez turbo that had been reshelled into lesser shell, guy had all the rs id put on the shell and when i questioned it he admitted it and dropped the price by half. when i came to sell it on it was advertised as a xr2i turbo and had the corect xr2i id refitted. does happen alot though im afraid, friend of mine reshelled a g plate rst into a q plate rst shell aswell as the g plates id. Some people said my old saph cos was a reshell but could find no evidence of it though. if you was keepeing a car for ever then ok but doing it to knock it out again is wrong
10-02-2012, 11:31 AM
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i did spot on ebay a black cossie 3dr thats being broken, seller is willing to sell shell and/or i.d
that might be against ebay rules
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180800350488?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p 3984.m1436.l2649
that might be against ebay rules
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180800350488?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p 3984.m1436.l2649
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ringer? i think so.................
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If both were genuine 3dr cossie shells then why didn't he just keep the original id of the black one? I can 'sort of understand' if the black one a standard sierra 3dr but its still wrong.
My fiesta rs turbo has got the dreaded rot in the footwells and inner sills so i'm buying a genuine rs shell for a re-shell. Id will not be transferred.
My fiesta rs turbo has got the dreaded rot in the footwells and inner sills so i'm buying a genuine rs shell for a re-shell. Id will not be transferred.
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28-02-2012, 03:54 PM
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when i re done my erst the floor pan had gone with the vin number i had ford re stamp the vin into a new floor pan it took a long time to get it done as it has to be passed/checked by a number of people ie police dvla,vosa but i got it done as what was said b4 i kept the old floor pan when i re sold the car and along with pic.paper work
28-02-2012, 04:06 PM
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Get off your high horse mate. It's a ringer full stop.. 
The white shell was crashed at 50mph into a TREE in 2004 and split in half just behind the 2 front seats....
Even before it was crashed in 2004 the car was a CAT D so it's been wrote off numerous times.
The white shell was crashed at 50mph into a TREE in 2004 and split in half just behind the 2 front seats....
Even before it was crashed in 2004 the car was a CAT D so it's been wrote off numerous times.
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when i re done my erst the floor pan had gone with the vin number i had ford re stamp the vin into a new floor pan it took a long time to get it done as it has to be passed/checked by a number of people ie police dvla,vosa but i got it done as what was said b4 i kept the old floor pan when i re sold the car and along with pic.paper work
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