rsmark86

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heres the top ones ive looked at...

spec r which everyone rates.... im realy thinking about this £780

airtec 100mm (new) and only fitted to wennys and that time attack escos both 600+hp. £395

airtec 70mm cooler £280 mixed reviews

pro alloy 100mm ive heard its a bitch to fit ??? not sure how much??

radtec 60mm ??

also im thinking of the 3" outlets but would i also need a throttle bodie thats 3" outlet to match or could the hoses from roose be used, and to what affect will this have, as the airtec 100mm and pro alloy both have 3" outlets.....

whats everyones thoughts and would be good if wenny has any feed back on the airtec 100mm

ive got swedish, gt35, autronic and looking at 520+hp so which would suit the best

thanks

rsmark86

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i take it its the spec r then??? its what im looking at....

Matt Baxter

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I have the 70mm airtec on mine and temps have been fine although mines only 400 brake,
it's a well made bit of kit and for the money it gets my vote saying thet if I had the money I would have the spec r one

rsmark86

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thats what i thought i realy do need a cooler as i only have a pace rs500 jobbie and just wont be upto the job.... but its spending £780 on a cooler, so might have to have it set up as is and save for the spec r

rsmark86

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if your going to coombe then you might aswel drive up with me and grayzo as you got to come past us

JamesH

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It depends what power you have

You said the other day you were getting a Spec-R?

R4N SS

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I will get paul to sort out where the meet point will be and let everyone know

cossie4i+

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For value it has to be the Airtec

Steve

jigsaw

wasnt there a review of coolers recently in pf or ff?

Mike Rainbird

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Any 100mm intercooler will require the cross-member to be removed and replaced with a narrower one (see my resto thread for details ).

Personally at the power level you are running I would only go for one of the top spec ones using the quality cores. If you were below 400bhp, then it would be the Airtec one no contest for VFM, but in tests the cores have been criticised for struggling to dissipate the heat (as in having poor recovery rates). This isn't an issue for a road car, but could be on a track car.

The Spec-R one uses top quality Garrett cores from the US, hence the costs, but you can't argue with the figures it produces - at the end of the day, it is whether or not your budget can be stretched to pay for the best, or whether you can compromise on performance and take the financial saving instead.....

At 170mph, my Pro-alloy 100mm one is seeing 37°C intake temps on a 18°C ambient day.....

R4N SS

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Steve - which one did i get off you? cant remember as its still in the box

cossie4i+

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Airtec with moded inlets and outlets (which MoonstonetaxidriverSteve wants) Approx 8mm bigger inside diameter

Steve

Matt Baxter

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Sounds like a plan! although as the cossy's still fucked I will have to use the frs

Pretty sure we met at reading services last time?

JonnyBravo

How well do you rate the BEHR RS500 intercooler against the other "copies" ?

I appreciate the thick core ones are excellent and I had planned to look to upgrade mine but I can't really justify spending out however much the Pro Alloy or Spec R ones are on a engine that is no more than 500hp.

Don't ask me what my ACT's are, not driven the car in anger yet but I'm guessing you have an idea of what to expect as you have developed your car a lot through the years.

rsmark86

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cheers thats good to know i wasnt told by airtec that i would have to mod the cross member to fit the 100mm cooler, if thats the case then its either 70mm airtec and door strips or spec r and other stuff can wait...

oh yeh i need one of your beam shim kits...

im running gt35/autronic/your swedish and big spec yb looking for a easy 520+hp

rsmark86

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i know but my car has come out better than i expected from the body shop and now im going to make the rest mint, so need a better interior and door strips for the side, aswel as beam shim kit and big brakes...

so do i throw big money at the spec r or just put up with the airtec....

rsmark86

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might aswel do like matt said and meet the same as last yr at reading services...

then m4 convoy up there

Jay,

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radtec

NEIL A

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For you probably the pro alloy cooler that is already fitted to the car, were you seeing high inlet temps that were causing timing to be pulled.

Scrap that just seen in your forsale post that is a pace you have fitted, thought I read before that it was a 65mm Pro cooler.

theheap

Wally alert

Can you use 2 coolers to do the job of a big 1?

JonnyBravo

Yes, Martin Hadland ( Reyland Motorsport ) ran 3 coolers welded together on his 1st mental spec Escort.

Moonstone Steve.

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Just fitted the Airtec on mine, not been out to see what temps are but its a nice piece of kit and fills the space nicely, fitting was straight forward, the only downside was the size of the pipes which will get changed for bigger ones.

Steve

theheap

Maybe it's a cheaper option for the OP to have 2 or 3 cheapo or standard ones.

smokinjoe

the quality of the core in the original rs turbos,cosworths etc is of much better quality than the likes of pace and airtec,and thats what counts over the size

so the spec r one will no doubt be the best as excellent core,but as i say above about the ford fitted ones welding some together looks a good cheap option to me

rsmark86

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i thought it was pro alloy till i took the bumper off....

looks like i need a spec r realy.... well im going to get it mapped as is and then save up for a spec r for a later date

rsmark86

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its not something i would put on my car mate i would rather have the best on there, just money permitting

R4N SS

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So is that the 70mm or 100mm I have?

Mike Rainbird

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You may get away with the 100mm one on a Sierra without these mods (as these cars have quite a bit more room than the Escort), but at the very least it would need slimline fans and to have different mounts made.

Personally BEFORE you change anything, I would get everything sorted and set up on the car, as to achieve 520bhp out of a GT35 will mean you won't need to be pushing shit loads of boost through the engine to achieve this (as it is a 600bhp turbo), so you may find that the intercooler you already have is adequate. Rather than assuming it isn't, surely it would be cheaper to test it and confirm, you might save yourself a LOT of agro?

Mike Rainbird

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They're okay, but the current (good ones) are easily a match now-a-days. You should always TEST, not guess though .

JonnyBravo

Cheers Mike and it will be tested as I don't honestly have the money to start changing things that have been known to work well enough in the past, was just curious as I do remember tests in the past with the BEHR one still coming out very high as a all rounder.

There is a huge air scoop in the front so it won't be short of cold air but as you say proper testing will show if it works well enough or not.

Rod-Tarry

Was watching Spec-r's development programme last week direct back to back against other coolers as Pete strives to improve his product.
Its not only about temps as most are saying, the more efficient & better flowing Spec-r cooler are making gains in Power/Torque compared to others. Like everything in life the best comes at a price.

cossie4i+

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70mm thick

Steve

Moonstone Steve.

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https://passionford.com/forum/genera...ge-10-a-4.html

If you look at Steve's RR results you will see the Airtec was better on the rr than the spec R, only with the bumper removed was the spec R better and gained 1 bhp, never noticed this till i just read through it.

Steve

DazF

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The Spec-R intercooler that was tested on Steves car at EP was made for a 3 door cosworth with an rs500 bumper fitted.
Steves bumper would not fit onto his car and was held on with cable ties, so that test was slightly un-fare.
He was also advised by Luke that his turbo was at it's limits.

rsmark86

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cheers mike good to know i going to get mark to mapp it as is, as theres still other areas of the car that need doing before going for big boost...

oh yeh i need a skim kit lol

rsmark86

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it may have been better on throttle but the recovery was useless and barely recovered where as the spec r did asap, which is what you need if say your on a track session

rsmark86

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i think its the way to go just got to save up as im not a rich man these days ....

but i think i need a better interior ect before i look at more power, as im happy with the speed but not with the cars apperence

Moonstone Steve.

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I don't think it was useless m8, i'm not dissing the spec R just pointing out that the test really wasn't a true test as such and might not be any different in car for all we now.

Steve

rsmark86

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true mate but i couldnt pay the money with out having the resullts in front of me realy..... ive heard its realy good on a 400bhp car but im not sure if it will be ok for mine

Moonstone Steve.

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Will let you know tomorrow m8, just taxed mine and will be out in it tomorrow weather permitting.

Steve