RS Grant

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Looks brilliant, just like an M5 should look IMO... serious, but still quite anonymous.

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=511101

New twin turbo V8 should be interesting too, they've said that there is a 25% increase in mpg over the previous V10 engine... which wouldn't be hard from what I've read!!


Cheers,
Grant

Ginge !

well ive been reading up on the things for have done to the new 1.6 eco boost engines to improve fuel economy for emissions,,,, the work car companys are doing to hit these targets is imense

they have motorised flaps on the radiator grill that closes to reduce airflow over the rad to avoid over cooling the engine to save on fuel,,,,, imagine what BMW must have done pmsl

zetec-Sam

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Ginge, know much about the new 1.6 ecoboost lumps? If so, are the mounts the same as the zetec se lumps? As I heard they're based on them? If they are, makes my plan to stick one in my fiesta easier!

R5FORD

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Looks boring imo

Ginge !

i can find out easy enough,,,,,,, being that i work at a ford main dealer pmsl

carlo

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Havent seen one yet but the X5m twin turbo was in my work the other day & its a fucking weapon the lad who took it out said for a jeep its just mental so that engine in a F10 will be awesome ! sound great as well

marky_g

wow thats nice

Stu @ M Developments

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I am so so tempted to sign on the dotted for one of these... been considering it for about 6 months now.

carlo

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Go for it stu imagine it with a remap & exhaust

Stu @ M Developments

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Thats something I have been imagining for many many months.

Glenn_

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I liked the look of that. The front bumper looks well too.

RS Grant

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Yea, I'm pretty sure that as standard this car will seriously shift... so with a light fettle, it'll go way better than anything that size has any right to.

If the numbers are all adding up Stu, then I can't think of a better alternative if you're after a brand new ubersaloon... AMG Merc saloons aren't really my cuppa and I would only consider an RS6 Avant because I don't think the saloon suits the exploded arches. The only other ubersaloon that I'd possibly look at is the Jaguar XFR.


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Grant

Rick

Get one Stu! That's got to be a 700hp car without much bother.

v man

serious car

all the m5 range and m3 to add are a step above the rest

think you should go for it stu

Stu @ M Developments

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I agree, amazing car and amazing looks too. But I couldnt bare it when tw@'s ask me hows my new Ł80K Mondeo?

charlie luciano

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It says concept on the plate though is it going to be produced?

Luciano

Porkie

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Unlike most people I am really glad they have decided/needed to go Twin Turbo V8...

Love Turbocharged engines in big cars... just works so well.

Gonna be a hell of a car

If I had a family... it would be a no brainer for me


Stu, do it!

however... they WILL drop money like a stone like all big BMW's do!

carlo

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Going by the X5 M this will be a cracker

Porkie

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There has never really been a bad M5 has there mate

Glenn_

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Why cant boring ford make a car like this.

carlo

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No mate ! They are awesome i just cant help but think this new one will end up with lots of companys doing mega research on them with bigger turbo's etc im sure you will see 700 maybe + bhp on them within a year after launch so much potential.

Ebonycossie4x4

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they is not boring in any way IMO.

Awesome car!

Stu @ M Developments

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Its the fact its turbocharged that makes me want one, and I wouldnt buy it, i would lease it. the tuning potential is why I want to get my hands on one early doors.

However, if this thing has the new ethernet subsystem it may render tuning as a no go. Can you find out Carlos?

Mike C

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Glad they've gone the turbo route for the latest M5, will be good to see what the tuning houses do with it as well as private owners.

We've already had Straight Six M5's, NA V8 M5's, V10 M5's, so nice to see the variation coming in. Loved the V10 more than anyone, but they were best left alone tuning-wise. I think the Twin Turbo V8 will be ripe for plenty of tinkering.

carlo

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Stu i might not be able to straight away but the foreman will be sent to the launch in braknell soon so he will find out all there is to know ! im sure there will be a way around it there is always some clever clog that can get in

Stu @ M Developments

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Ethernet encryption isn't really a huge problem, in fact I would say it will be even easier than usual. We could get in given some time but the new systems will be designed so that when you guys at the dealers hook into the system, instead of Can Bus or K Line, it will be Ethernet and you will be connecting the car DIRECTLY to BMW Germany who will be able to run automated software comparisons and all sorts of interesting things.


The futures bright..

Just not for us. LOL

Oranoco

I really like the look of this car, it's quite subtle and understated and most people wouldn't know what it is.

v man

wasnt the new skyline ment to be untunable
ecu wise when it first came out

then mines devolped a ecu for i then the flood gated where open to speak

carlo

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Thing is v man for warranty purposes when all bmw's are plugged in now bmw can see everything on the car more than us in the dealership can see ! its called fasta data i have been at the warranty office & seen what they see it would amaze you ! so im pretty sure they would pick a map up in a new m5 straight away it will be a hot patato for them because they are turbocharged they will be expecting it

v man

stu could see this as a good buisness opertunity to become uk main mapper for bmw then no

carlo

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yes mate possibly

Less.

stunning cars

Fudgey

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looks too much like my old mans 320d lol

if i could i would of course own one, but it just looks a bit plain. the previous M5 is in your face angry, and i like that lol

It's Czech Mate

I saw a disguised one on the a38 last Monday morning. Even in White with a camo nose and tail it looked very well!

foreigneRS

the thermostat does a perfectly good job of avoiding over cooling the engine the flaps over radiators are to reduce drag and therefore improve fuel economy. not really all that new.

CossieRich

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What an awesome looking machine that is

Chip

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+1 to all of that

BMW seem to have finally got over their recent turbo hangups, I couldnt work out why with the E46 they didnt allow the turbo to come with a diff etc and only let the M car have it, seemed like they were deliberately holding the turbo cars back.

Turbos are the immediate future of performance cars and im really pleased to see the M cars going that way.
Going to be some utterly loony numbers made by people modifying these I reckon!

Chip

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Any car is always going to be tunable if you start physically changing the ecu.

What stu wants will no doubt be to enable his 100+ installers around the country to be able to install the maps simply into the car, and for the dealerships to not know it has been done, and preferably using the hardware they already have.
Evolution chips / MSD is a lot bigger than just a bloke tuning a car, for it to make commercial sense for him to put his resources into it he would need to know that his network could make use of the maps after he had developed them etc and if physically getting the map on is too hard or the dealership (or headquarters via a remote hookup) viewing them is too easy then its just not vialbe anymore.

Sadly, that may be the start of how all manufacturers are going to go though, so could be potentially the end of the tuning industry as we know it which would be a real shame in the case of things like diesel turbo daily drivers where so much benefit can be had from a remap.

Obviously there will always be people tuning cars, that'll never stop totally, but it could end up a lot more niche!

Ima Racing

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End of the tuning industry? Surely we are only talking about at worst case having to wait till the warranty has run out?

carlo

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There will be a way around it phill just like there always is !