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Old 13-02-2011, 02:45 PM
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Default Very big thanks to James@motorsportdevelopment!

for promptly sorting my ecu out, im very impressed by the sevice from msd, i alway use them on ebay and have spent lots of money with them over the last 5 years but this was an fault issue with my ecu rather than a straight purchase and the service was top notch aswell too.


many thanks again

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You have spent lots of money with them? Sounds like they need to thank you!
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I hope they are testing the 3 rad fan switches i had to send back.

They was great at sending them out to me each time they didn't work correctly.

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Originally Posted by cossie4i
I hope they are testing the 3 rad fan switches i had to send back.

They was great at sending them out to me each time the didn't work correctly.

Steve


Not again...........moan moan, do you ever have a good word for MSD Steve??
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Not again...........moan moan, do you ever have a good word for MSD Steve??
Read the 2nd line of the post

I can't wait for you to go on holiday

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I did read it, but you say they never worked correctly....

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I said they was great at sending me replacements out FFS

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One day i will take my car to them for a set up.
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Originally Posted by cossie4i
I said they was great at sending me replacements out FFS

Steve

Back tracking MO-FO.........
Old 13-02-2011, 03:52 PM
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I would love to use these guys one day.Bought some parts for my rs turbo.All great quality
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Originally Posted by staffi
Back tracking MO-FO.........
Not back tracking at all, just seems you didn't read that part of my post

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Stop thread wrecking Steve..........
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Your in a funny old mood Pete

You need your holiday

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Gonna try and get my saff up to them this year for a once over
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and me i was meant to be there last week i just cant get it there
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My 3dr will be there in march for a health check and set up.
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Glad its all sorted Dom,

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Originally Posted by cossie4i
I hope they are testing the 3 rad fan switches i had to send back.

They was great at sending them out to me each time they didn't work correctly.

Steve

How did they not work Steve? Just not kick the fans in?
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The bloke is mega helpful - especially when he diagnosed the fuel problem with mine last year, as are all the other lads down there, MSD tuning service is perfect from the cost to the service
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Originally Posted by James90RS
How did they not work Steve? Just not kick the fans in?
All 3 switches did different things.

First one on about 92 and off at 70

Second one didn't come on at all (upto 102)

Thrid one came on around 97 and would not turn off with the engine running (had to turn engine off then wait for fans to stop then restarted engine) off about 68.

My original switch comes on at around 89 and off around 75, has done for years and still does now after refitting.

Also i used a second capilary gauge in the rad just above the fan switch to get another coolant reading as my capilary is in the engine block. Both gauges show just a 3 degree difference in temp throughout the heat range.

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steve, reading the data on the webshop

Uprated Radiator fan switch for All Sierras.
This switch will usually switch on your fans at around 90 Deg C and Off again at around 87Deg C


it doesnt seem in your case you will see much benfit from an uprated switch if you do not have any exesting issues with your standard switch? why exactly did you want one mate?

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Originally Posted by James @ M Developments.
steve, reading the data on the webshop

Uprated Radiator fan switch for All Sierras.
This switch will usually switch on your fans at around 90 Deg C and Off again at around 87Deg C


it doesnt seem in your case you will see much benfit from an uprated switch if you do not have any exesting issues with your standard switch? why exactly did you want one mate?
So the fans dont stay on for a long time.

Have you managed to test the switches ?

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Originally Posted by BRAMMER
The bloke is mega helpful - especially when he diagnosed the fuel problem with mine last year, as are all the other lads down there, MSD tuning service is perfect from the cost to the service
i remember that one well, took the word "flooding" to a whole new level
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Originally Posted by cossie4i
So the fans dont stay on for a long time.

Have you managed to test the switches ?

Steve
not yet, ive got cars comming out my ears
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Originally Posted by cossie4i
So the fans dont stay on for a long time.

Have you managed to test the switches ?

Steve
is there any form of timer switch in your circuit?

i find when you re wire the fan circuit and use a std relay the switch on/off time is faster,
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Well at least i know you have them to test.

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Originally Posted by James @ M Developments.
is there any form of timer switch in your circuit?

i find when you re wire the fan circuit and use a std relay the switch on/off time is faster,
Not that i know of.

Also the fan circuit has not been rewired.

Steve

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if your fans are runing for a long tme, maybe your standard rad/fans is struggling to flow air through your 3 foot thick intercooler
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3 fan switches faulty seems a bit weird most likley something wrong with the car
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Originally Posted by carlo
3 fan switches faulty seems a bit weird most likley something wrong with the car
yes agree does seem alittle wierd.
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Originally Posted by carlo
3 fan switches faulty seems a bit weird most likley something wrong with the car
But all 3 switches are supposed to come on and off at the same temps, so why are all 3 different ?

Like i said the original fan switch comes on and off at the same temps it always has, even with my 3ft thick intercooler.

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the switch will always go on/off at the same temp as it is not a variable switch,

but the time it takes to cool down enough from turn on to turn off will be effected by air flow, if your fans are on for a long time maybe they cannot draw enough air through?

our switches are designed to reduce fan run time, and ive never had one try to bring the temps down as low as yours though.

if they are bringing it down to sub 75 degs, the stat will be closed! and then the radiator has no coolant flow

im working on a car now, which i will test your switches on with our test gear,

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Originally Posted by cossie4i
My original switch comes on at around 89 and off around 75, has done for years and still does now after refitting.

Also i used a second capilary gauge in the rad just above the fan switch to get another coolant reading as my capilary is in the engine block. Both gauges show just a 3 degree difference in temp throughout the heat range.
Hi Steve,
James has just filled me in on this issue your having.
I have sold a lot of these and the only isue i have had is one that would not turn off ever. So failure rate so far is around 1 in 600.

For you to get THREE that dont work is not impossible but unlikely for sure.

Ref your coolling logs, the std YB fan switch shouldnt be switching out at 75 as the thermostat regulates at around 87 so teh engine should never get to 75 mate.

In a nutshell, it sounds, from a distance, like you have blocked radiator cores causing random end tank cooling performance. Is the radiator a recent one?
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Top service from the guys as usual.
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My uprated switch used to cut in at 94, out at about 85
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My MSD fan switch does exactly as it says on the tin....top service

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i had my car set up by james and stu on fri and new chip and what a difference, these boys know what there are on about!! they found a few other bits wrong with it and sorted some others and i will defo use them agen. all i got to do is get my sump plug out pmsl.
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Originally Posted by Moonstone Steve
My MSD fan switch does exactly as it says on the tin....top service

Steve
Well let me try it in mine then.

Steve
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Hi Steve,
James has just filled me in on this issue your having.
I have sold a lot of these and the only isue i have had is one that would not turn off ever. So failure rate so far is around 1 in 600.

For you to get THREE that dont work is not impossible but unlikely for sure.

Ref your coolling logs, the std YB fan switch shouldnt be switching out at 75 as the thermostat regulates at around 87 so teh engine should never get to 75 mate.

In a nutshell, it sounds, from a distance, like you have blocked radiator cores causing random end tank cooling performance. Is the radiator a recent one?
The rad is 8 years old.

Why would the 3 switches you sent me all show different temps ? They was tested in my car a couple of times and each switch performed the same on each test.

Steve


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