Removing power steering from cos?
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Was thinking about removing the power steering from my 3dr as will remove the clutter from the engine bay and the non power rack has more steering lock to it.
Has anyone done this?
Does the steering feel ok or is it too heavy with town driving and parking etc
Other option is electric with the Corsa rack, has anyone done this and whats its like?
Ta
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Has anyone done this?
Does the steering feel ok or is it too heavy with town driving and parking etc
Other option is electric with the Corsa rack, has anyone done this and whats its like?
Ta
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it may have more lock turn to turn but the cossie has aquicker rack does it not so still turns the same distance lock to lock, wouldnt fuck about to be honest. more expense for an unesasery reason
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You will need a whole new column set up to run the corsa column, it's good but an easier option is the citroen/Peugeot electric power steering set up, no clutter in the bay and hide the pump in the passenger footwell
I'm doing it in my cossie Fiesta, Martin Hadland runs it in the escos too and that copes fine,
I'm doing it in my cossie Fiesta, Martin Hadland runs it in the escos too and that copes fine,
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ive got no power steering on my v6 24v sierra, its not heavy at all. given the choice i would stay with the power steering though, as said the rack is quicker
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The steering lock on the cossie is rubbish imo, everyone I know who has had a cosworth has commented on how bad they are, I suppose if driven all the time you learn to live with it but im sure my base model was better, however I never ran big or wide wheels on that so can't really compare.
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Any more info on the Citroen/Peugeot set up please, is this power column or power rack.
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Any more info on the Citroen/Peugeot set up please, is this power column or power rack.
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Theyve been used in virtually every car ive seen from about the mid nineties ,failures i can recall are very few ! This in the boot of a 97 Ford mondeo , we still use them in current S-2000 BTCC cars today
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on the peugeot/citroens they fail quite often, the main problem is not the pump itself but usually the reylay or wiring melting due to the high current draw if im to be more specific. Plus you dont use a touring car to do 20,000 miles a year, so id imagine things would last a bit longer on them
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I have an electric power steering pump from a Saxo powering the original rack on a 2WD Sapph. You can mount the system anywhere and it doesn't sap any power from the engine. It's very neat. I don't have any photos yet but will take some soon. It feels a little heavier at standstill but works very well on the move.
Luke at Enhanced Performance fitted it all.
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For a road car I'd stick with standard. On a race or track car it divides opinion. Some like Graham Goode swear by manual steering. Others like Greg Rose at X-Sport wouldn't do without. I think it's a case of try it with and without and see what you prefer.
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The set-up in the picture is not mine.
My pump is on the chassis leg on the turbo side. Reservoir is just behind the rad also on the turbo side. It's very neat.
No reason why it wouldn't work on a road car but the original Ford setup works very well so no need to change I think.
I'll take some pics soon.
The Saxo pump was around Ł60 from a scrapyard and came with the fluid reservoir I think.
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My pump is on the chassis leg on the turbo side. Reservoir is just behind the rad also on the turbo side. It's very neat.
No reason why it wouldn't work on a road car but the original Ford setup works very well so no need to change I think.
I'll take some pics soon.
The Saxo pump was around Ł60 from a scrapyard and came with the fluid reservoir I think.
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I hate non power steering on track cars, no good if you need to get loads of lock on really quickly as invariably its a slower rack as well.
Quick rack and PAS all the way for me TBH
Im going to use the electro hydraulic setup on my new clio, Ive got electric column on my corsa that I retrofitted with a standalone controller but its a lot more hassle to retrofit than an electric pump is so as my clio already has a power rack designed for use with hydraulics im just going to use the electric pump instead.
Quick rack and PAS all the way for me TBH
Im going to use the electro hydraulic setup on my new clio, Ive got electric column on my corsa that I retrofitted with a standalone controller but its a lot more hassle to retrofit than an electric pump is so as my clio already has a power rack designed for use with hydraulics im just going to use the electric pump instead.
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I have an electric power steering pump from a Saxo powering the original rack on a 2WD Sapph. You can mount the system anywhere and it doesn't sap any power from the engine. It's very neat. I don't have any photos yet but will take some soon. It feels a little heavier at standstill but works very well on the move.
Luke at Enhanced Performance fitted it all.
Charlie
Luke at Enhanced Performance fitted it all.
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As said above p.a.s all the way with the proper quick rack!!
Non pas is horrid..
Charlie set up is lovely and would be worth while on a fast road car to but if your std system is working fine i wouldnt bother..
I have a proper btcc electric pump on my race car all sourced from tony tcs..
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Non pas is horrid..
Charlie set up is lovely and would be worth while on a fast road car to but if your std system is working fine i wouldnt bother..
I have a proper btcc electric pump on my race car all sourced from tony tcs..
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As martin mentions, no doubt because the load on the alternator is increased when the PAS is active so Nick is saying that it does sap engine power still.
That said, at least it doesnt have constant sacrificial losses even on the straights like a normal PAS setup, and of course the times when you are loading up the PAS turning into a corner you tend not to be accelerating anyway, so I reckon your comment stands quite well TBH mate!
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That said, at least it doesnt have constant sacrificial losses even on the straights like a normal PAS setup, and of course the times when you are loading up the PAS turning into a corner you tend not to be accelerating anyway, so I reckon your comment stands quite well TBH mate!
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As martin mentions, no doubt because the load on the alternator is increased when the PAS is active so Nick is saying that it does sap engine power still.
That said, at least it doesnt have constant sacrificial losses even on the straights like a normal PAS setup, and of course the times when you are loading up the PAS turning into a corner you tend not to be accelerating anyway, so I reckon your comment stands quite well TBH mate!
That said, at least it doesnt have constant sacrificial losses even on the straights like a normal PAS setup, and of course the times when you are loading up the PAS turning into a corner you tend not to be accelerating anyway, so I reckon your comment stands quite well TBH mate!
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so to say that an alternator that is belt driven, on bearings with friction, with an inertia to rotate, and maybe a fan to drive around doesn't have a sacrificial loss is also factually incorrect, although in reality it is possibly so small to ignore. but then so is maybe the parasitic loss of a traditional hydraulic pump when you are on the straight and only really loads up the engine when you turn in
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having said all of that, i am sure that an electric setup is more efficient, hence most car manufacturers going that way if it shows even a slight improvement in fuel economy or reduction in emmissions in the EU drive cycles (done in a straight line, so they probably switch off the system entirely for the test), although to some extent they are probably used for packaging reasons, and so that they can be easily tuned for different models of the same platform.
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interesting - a lot of people think that assistance takes feel away. like removing the connection between the surface of the track and the hands on the steering wheel. some people, me included, like to feel when the steering goes light to know when you're approaching the limit of grip. i'm not convinced that assistance removes that feeling, just that the difference is more subtle.
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It may be down to elec steering not being out ??
I agree its what your used to and like, people always get comfortable with what they have
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I'd like to hear from people in the rallying scene,
Danny do you know why they went to elec pump exactly or hopefully Tony could help us a bit