I have mine but do anyone have any other suggestions?
1: any form of zetec.

2: the 24v cossie v6.

3: ohv endura

4: the old 2.3 v6

5: the 1.6 diesel

Any more lol!

 

Can't see why you think the 24v cossie lump is rubbish.

The 12v V6, 2.8 and 2.9 is rubbish

Steve

 

1.6 Restrictive as feck Zetec

 

Escort td engine the one without the intercooler. My god mine was so slow kids on bikes use to accelerate faster.

 

the single point injection crossflow found in 1.1 mk3 fiestas.

 

The cossie v6 is rubbish cause it just don't deliver the goods mondeo v6 is no better either neither of them havve got the get up and go like the old v6s. Totally agree with matey on the zetec but I say they r all crap not just one. And yeah the td was useless with or without the intercooler!

 

I agree a 12v 2.8 feels to have more bottom grunt than the 24v but over 3000rpm the 24v will kill it.

Thats talking after haveing both engines in my 4i

Steve

 

Especially with a turbo
The worst ford engine for me has to be the HCS 1.1, what a bag of gutless rubbish, they all sound like they run on rusty nails.

 

Wat a load of Shit.

How u think a 200 bhp v6 has less get up and go than a 150 bhp v6

And the zetecs are a good lump. Wear well and produce more power than a similar speced boat anchor pinto.

Misinformed people once more.

 

i had an essex v6 (3l) in my sierra before, i drove it up the road and back, then pulled it out and put the turbo 24v in. the essex sounded good, had reasonable low down torque, but didnt rev at all. I have to agree zetecs, although not perfect, are very good engines. and the 2.5 mondeo engine was made by mazda

 

C.V.H as originally fitted with V.V carbs.

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Cvh are wank. Turbo helps make up for it.

The mondeo v6 is ok if you glue two together to give you a aston v12.

That little 1.6 8v rocam lump is good for what it is.

 

Although the turbocharger on a cvh helps it along on its path to enevitable destruction

 

I'd be interested to know what the OP drives to have stated that some of those engines are shit?

I think this is very objective to be honest. Obviously some of the engines mentioned aren't powerful at all, but they were built for a purpose, not necessarily for a load of speed.

I quite like the Endura OHV engine. Not powerful at all, but looked after, it will go on for years and years.

And as for the Zetec being rubbish, don't be so ridiculous. One of mine did near on 170k and still ran perfectly. They take modifications really well, over 400bhp on a standard crank is not to be sniffed at for a cooking engine that was never designed for that purpose. And people pushing 250bhp with bolt on turbo/supercharger kits says a lot about them too.

Some right misinformed rubbish going on here. I can't really think of that many truely bad engines that Ford have made. They've put some of them in the wrong cars, but the engines generally serve a purpose in one form or another.

The 2.3 Cologne was a bit pants by all accounts, the 1.6 Zetec-E was a bit rubbish to modify, but worked well enough as a standard engine. I suppose the 2.3 diesel fitted into the Sierra was poo, but was that even a Ford engine? The 2.5 Duratec V6 has it's issues, but that seems to be down the shonky water pump more than anything.

Fitting the 1.8D into the Escort was a bit silly. Fine in a MK3 Fiesta, but a 60bhp, non turbo diesel in a MK5 Escort was never going to work.

Most of the engines Ford have made over the years have been pretty average. About right for the market they're in, reliable enough, cheap to maintain. There has been the odd mildly dodgy one, but I think every manufacturer is guilty of that. Drive a 1.9D 306 and you'll see what I mean...

 

zetec aint a shit engine wtf

won engine for the year when it first came out

but its like with any engine the less cc its has its gonna be slow

and the more the faster

if they were a shit engine why does the fastest fwd ford in the contry have one be turbo'd or not ??????

 

It was an old Peugeot engine, the start of the colaboration between Ford and Peugeot.

I had a new Sierra in 1983 with the 2.3d, by todays standards slow, but then it was good. I did 75,000 with only oil changes and I know it went on for at least another 50,000 with no problems.

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This must be a wind up thread surely?!

 

Zetec's are ok - not great power as stadard but tuneable and don't go wrong other than simple things.

Mondy V6 is a let down. A pants 167bhp (and bollocks to it actually producing that) and an even more pants 24mpg. A customer of mine has a jag xj convertible, 5.0L v8, AUTO and THAT beats 24mpg on average.

Standard form 302s had rubbish specific output, something like 30bhp/litre IIRC?

The modular isn't great from that point of view. the mustand cobra does 320bhp from 4.6l = 69bhp/litre, in a performance car. Tuneable, but only by stuffing a shit load of boost down them.

And yes, the non-i/c'd escort td is poo. It didn't even manage that great mpg....probably because I had to wring it's neck the whole time.

Chris

 

AFAIK The 2.3D out the Sierra is a Peugeot engine.

I had an Escort with a 1600 Zetec that was faultless for the 9 years my Mum then I owned it.

The CVH is ok (ish) if you look after them with regular servicing, I have had 3 CVH Sierra's and 2 were good but 1 was a disaster waiting to happen.

The 1.8Td that was in the Sierra was imo crying out for an intercooler, I know someone that retro fitted 1 and it was so much better than the standard lump.

 

really?

 

The 1.4 tdci engine in the old fiesta.

My mums needed injector seals 3 times on the first fiesta she had and within a year of owning another brand new one.

I mean the old fiesta as in being the shape before the one thats out now.

 

as soon as i read

1- Zetec


i didnt bother to read anything else

 

peugeot engine again my friend

 

Ahh right

Well its a shite engine

Needless to say i got her a petrol engine the next time.

 

I think the OP is defining ''shit'' as low powered......

Engines in every day production cars are not hugely powerfull as they have to meet strict emmisions regulations and most importantly be reliable

How anyone can say a zetec is shit is beyond me ! ....my mate used to look after a mk1 mondeo 2ltr glx with 250k on the clock...now to me that is a bloody good engine !

Ask a vauxhall driver about GM's equivalent engine and see how many head gaskets they've been through campared to a zetec

And as for the 24v cossie v6 being shit........what box do you live in?...driven a few and for a standard quite old engine they are plenty powerfull, urgent and bloody reliable !

 

I new the 1.6 tdci was Pug. Didn't no the 1.4 was.

Agree with the ohv coment, they go on and on if looked after, grunty enough at low revs.

The 1.8 tdlump is good. Went on all the way to the 54 plate focus tdci sports. Made 115 bhp and killed 50 Mpg all day long.

 

hcs engine is poo

 

the one and only engine ford made that was total bollocks was the v4 lol

 

Beg to differ on that one my 2.8 lump in my old mk 2 Granny coupled with a few mods made 190 bhp and had loads of low down grunt


I don't think there is such a thing as Fords top 5 rubbish engines an engine is built for purpose, eg: I had a 1.1 fiesta for a daily hack and it did the job that it was designed to do, get me around, to and from work, down to tescos etc etc.

Its not the car to have if you want to do doughnuts, go to cruises and drive like a complete cock end if you want to do that in it then I guess it a rubbish engine,

long n short of it is tools for the job


Luciano

 

i got a big tool then i guess

 

agreed the zetec e and se engines are very good and certainly the later black top 1.8 and 2l zetec e's respond well to tuning, have fairly strong internals being able to take 250bhp in supercharged or turbo charged form and when looked after 200,000 miles is a walk in the park. in fact i think the only problem they suffer from is weak oil pumps when pushing 8,000rpm+ and/or high boost taking it over 400 bhp (theres a recent thread on this).

 

lol 'its not how big it is, its what you do with that counts'


Luciano

 

in that case im stumped, cos its up on axle stands getting the gearbox re-fitted.

 

im waiting for some silly fucker to say yb lol

 

have you got something to tell us lol

 

so am i, so i can remind them it wasnt built by ford lol

 

i4=crap

 

Hmmm, wishfull thinking there

 

along with its mate the DOHC headgasket timing chain disaster

 

It's not really fair to compare the Zetec and Pinto. The pinto was designed in the 60s ffs.