Is that date something to do with the olypics like the opening ceremony or something?

 

It's a public holiday, so you wouldnt even need to take time off to protest. And there'll be lots of TV coverage.

I think it's a wedding

 

Oh, the william wedding thing?
I dont really follow that sort of stuff TBH

Yes that would be a good time for it


although protesting is of course pointless, fuel prices are what they need to be IMHO, if people want to pay less for fuel then drive a more economical car or drive less.

Ive been in economical dailys for a few years now as I do about 50K miles a year.

 

Fuel prices being high serve no purpose.

All they do is raise the cost of living to silly proportions. They hurt the jobless, the working, and business.

if fuel taxation was reduced, the cost of living for everyone would fall. Even jobless bums who sponge, their money would go further so perhaps the government could give them less.
Businesses would have a better time and be more competitive, especially for export. All aspects of life and transport could improve.

Then the government could tax profits more when business do actually work. More people will have jobs, so there will be less dole spongers.

And the increase in trade, and taxation on actual profit would offset that lost from the extortionate fuel duties.

They need to tax profit. Not tax people before a single penny has been made. Many businesses and people have to spend a fortune on fuel costs whether they earn a penny from it or not. That's just wrong, and why many fail. They simply arent given a chance to succeed and thrive.

 

I disagree, we're all far too used to just popping all over the country wherever we fancy and wasting valuable resources without it actually advancing mankind at all, so I think that taxation to discourage excessive leisure travel is fair game.
And from a companies point of view, they can write the cost off against tax and it does encourage them to be more efficient with regards to transportation of goods and using teleconf instead of driving to meetings etc.
Although I realise that certain industries such as haulage are obviously suffering.


From a personal point of view, it would suit me amazingly well if they dropped petrol prices, I spent at least 100 quid every week on fuel, but I dont think that looking at the larger picture that they should do.

 

You should not be able to enter the benefit system unless you have live here minimum 18years, same with voting, that would save money and taxation surely. Would put off 99% of these fucking foreigners. Lets face it, immigration and the claims of beneift that is a result of this is costing this country and you and i dearly.

 

If it wasnt for immigration this country would have gone under financially years ago when we needed the workers.
Its both good and bad in different aspects.

People use immigration as a MASSIVE scapegoat and its not really justified, its the unemployed english people that are the biggest financial burden, especially all the council estate sluts breeding like fucking vermin!

I dont agree that anyone should get ANY benefits at all though other than disability benefits, I would scrap all of them if I was ever in charge and cut back massively on the disability ones too.
I would introduce a work scheme where people were given a government sponsored job if they wanted money and were out of work, and if they didnt want to work then they would be left to starve to death on the streets.

 

And a massive annoyance is child benefit.

I chose not to have children. So why the fuck am I paying for every other cunt who does ?

 

If the world needed more children in it than it has, then child benefit would be a good way of encouraging people to breed.

However the opposite is true, we're fucking riddled with excess kids spawned off left right and fucking centre from council estates all over the country that no-one wants or has any use for, not even their crap excuses for parents half the time, hence they are all out roaming the streets etc, and most of them have realistically have no decent future and will end up doing the same, spreading like a virus and consuming the resources of us their financial hosts!
We should be doing the total opposite and taxing people for having kids, or at the very least not giving them cash to do so.

If kids ever become something we are short of again then by all means re-introduce these "breeding credits" but for now I really do think we should remove them.

 

All I'm going to say is biofuel

 

I already did, it fell on deaf ears

 

+1!!!!!

Tom

 

Great way to get about if you want to spend about 5-10 times the cost of using electric

 

Im fitting a sail to my car as we speak. Wind power FTW

 

Thay are stunning in red (bocanegro). My mum brought the brochure home last year for it, looks brilliant. Shes got the Ibiza FR diesel at the mo but its been a great car.

All the new golfs are 1.4's (tsi) arent they too?

 

diesel has 20% bio in it all ready and its still dear! should be cheaper then really

 

All that will happen as people buy smaller engined more efficient cars is that road tax for those co2 bands will go up disproportionately to compensate for lost income, as will fuel tax.

cant see them ever getting rid of the fuel tax escalator. Its a license to print money.....

 

And with £1trillion debt.....think they need a few licenses to print money.

 

stop being so fucking unselfish - you won't fit in on here

 

The 'Tax Gap' I.E the difference between the actual amount of tax due and that collected (due to tax avoidance and evasion) currently stands at £1.15 Billion pounds per year.

That uncollected/avoided tax is enough to pay off the debt used to bail out the banks, without the need for the over zealous cuts in public services.
If everyone paid their fair share (and I am directing that at the wealthiest 10% of the country) then society and taxation in general woul be a lot fairer (and no doubt the general taxation rates would be lower than they are now)
Those that can afford to pay a bit more do all they can to avoid paying via complicated tax minimising schemes marketed by large firms of accountants.

Take footballers for example thats been in the news this week - Rooney (circa £250,000 per week) and his ilk who have set up companies in thier names, for their earnings from their employers (IE Clubs) to be paid into, so they can then draw loans as benefits from said 'company' in order to pay just 2% tax on their earnings, when you and I pay on average 31% (Tax/NIC combined - Tax 20% + 11% NIC)

compare that with average Joe who pays more tax as a proportion of their total income than the rich fat cats!

Unfair and unjustified, as is Jersey (a british dependent) who's inhabitants pay nothing to the UK exchequer.
If Jersey was attacked tomorrow by a hostile nation, Jersey would expect protection from good old blighty's armed forces, to which they have NEVER contributed!

People who do all they can to minimise their personal liabilities, but expect all the benefits that a british passport gives them (fee healthcare etc) need to be made to feel about as welcome in society as paedophiles!.

 

is it not this year?

 

I'm behind the times !!!

 

Its ok saying they should stop or reduce disability benifit but we must remember being made disabled is not allways someone else, one of us could go to work tomorrow and go arse over shit and be made disabled, and are we saying we would not claim it, of coures we fucking would, how else would we pay bills

I read that David Cameron was saying its difficult to get incapacity benifit now as he has a disabled son, he also has a millionair wife.

 

Somehow, I doubt that an extra £1.15bn is going to make much of a dent in the problem - have you not read the figures?

What, they will demand the same level of protection from Britain that they got the last time someone attacked them?

Why not use Google and check out the protection we gave them when they were occupied by the Nazis in 1940. Must have cost the British taxpayer a fucking fortune!

 

He doesn't have a disabled son any more, the poor wee sod died and NO parent deserves that even if, sometimes, it may be for the best.

 

I agree, it should be cheaper
At Morrisons it says 'may contain upto 9% Bio diesel', mind you, they ARE the cheapest around here anyway.

However for anyone that actually wants to spend less, you might want to have a look here
I might be new around here, but I'm trying to help

 

why? where do you think the bio part of the diesel comes from, cos it's not recycled chip fat

the production of plants for bio fuel has pushed up the price of other commodities. it's a bit of a farce, all in the name of 'environmentalism'

 

No, no parent deserves that, i would not have posted that if i knew he had died .

 

to all those that are complaining about the price of fuel - have you bought a drink from a petrol station when you filled up? what was it, and how much did it cost?

you can pay more for a litre of bottled water than a litre of petrol, so that still makes it look pretty good value for money doesn't it?

 

Does the bio have to be recycled for it to be acceptable, mineral fuel is running out, the government are pushing for all dielsel to be minimum 5% bio any way. In Brazil they use 50% bio in America about 30% and most of Europe it's 20%.
Diesel engines were originally designed to be run on vegetable oil.
Bio-fuel is much nicer to the environment, it's better for engines, it's safer generally and it is cheaper to buy.
I thought this topic was about price to us, the end users.

 

I dont go through 200 litres of water/coke etc a week though.

And bottled Water from Tesco/Asda can be as low as 20p for a 2 litre bottle.

If only petrol was that cheap.

 

The government have got us by the balls here. Even if fuel prices were quite a bit higher it would still be by far the most efficient way of getting around... especially for longer distances - so they know we don't really have another option. It's a gold mine for drawing funds for the welfare state.

 

not if an area of forest is cut down to grow it, it's not

you don't have to buy any water/coke, as it's a luxury compared to taking a bottle of tap water with you.

and that just shows you how low road transport costs must still be if the supermarket can transport a large bottle that size for probably hundreds of miles and it still only costs 20p

define efficient.

are you saying it's more efficient for 200 people to drive separately from london to edinburgh that it is for them to take a train?

 

face it lad ,stop kidding yourself

 

I'm talking about in terms of cost. Sure, it would be better if everyone got on the same train/bus to get to where they were going, but the time saved and the convenience of being able to get anywhere at any time, to do whatever you want to do, makes it the way to go. That's the reason there are so many lorries on the road rather than using freight trains for everything.

 

TBH, Ive no idea how these big chains manage to have a lot of their product instore to sell at the prices they do.

Water is a small one. But half the stuff that comes from Tawain and China etc It is mind boggling how cheap they sell stuff.

 

Economies of scale, remember their not selling 10 or 12, they are selling by the 1000's

Also no profit is made on some products, but products are priced as loss leaders to get people into stores (chances are your not going to buy just a few bottles of water, you will end up doing a whole shop)

As for petrol prices the answer is scrap performance cars (unless they are hybrid) and buy economical cars that can average 50 mpg etc......
Electric cars are starting to emerge and the Nissan LEAF will be the next big thing. Hydrogen tech is not even close to mass production

i can see car companies scrapping hot hatches and big saloons... the bread and butter is in small economical cars.. My mother bought a YARIS and the garage couldn't sell them fast enough

unhappy times for people that enjoy cars i would hate to be in the performance car trade in the next 5 years. The government is taking all they can from the motorist...

i wonder how long it will be before all new cars have a black box that allows the government to charge by the mile???

 

There are probably more performance cars about now than there ever has. It will be a long time before they die off.

 

Mercedes have B-Class F-Cell hydrogen cars on the road in Germany and in California. Admittedly, these are still limited in numbers, but they are out there.

http://news.mercedes-benz.co.uk/?p=8990

 

ARGH!!!! £45 to fill up a fucking MICRA!!!