Nology ht leads
03-01-2011, 04:13 PM
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hay up there john,cant say i have used them 
but have heard good things about them,get a good spark with them but not sure on the length of the spark,
did this test on the 10mm leads at dales turned out the spark was good but just not sparking for long enough,i cant remember the numbers now
but have heard good things about them,get a good spark with them but not sure on the length of the spark,did this test on the 10mm leads at dales turned out the spark was good but just not sparking for long enough,i cant remember the numbers now
03-01-2011, 04:32 PM
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Years ago revs did a test on a specialist rig to test plugs or leads etc and they came out top of about 15 leads with a 13 bhp gain over standard aparently. Or would be if fitted to an engine. some lost you power too lol. Anyone know if the motorsort leads are like from Matt lewis mototrsport aas that what ive not long bought for my 3 door. seem to be bettrer than the origional Beru leads that were with it
03-01-2011, 04:35 PM
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hay up there john,cant say i have used them but have heard good things about them,get a good spark with them but not sure on the length of the spark,
did this test on the 10mm leads at dales turned out the spark was good but just not sparking for long enough,i cant remember the numbers now
but have heard good things about them,get a good spark with them but not sure on the length of the spark,did this test on the 10mm leads at dales turned out the spark was good but just not sparking for long enough,i cant remember the numbers now
03-01-2011, 05:00 PM
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yea on high rev's under load i was getting a missfire turned out to be the leads so we put some standerd v8 ones on cured it right up and then dale did the test on the leads,cant remember what the numbers were but for example the new 10mm leads were 6000 and the standerd v8 leads were like 16000
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05-01-2011, 09:49 AM
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Which is exactly the reason why we'd never do an HT lead, or spark plug test. You may get 'more complete combustion' with a stronger spark, but a good set of OE leads are sufficient for pretty much all applications.
05-01-2011, 09:55 AM
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So all that a test would show is 8 of them working all giving the same power, and 2 of them not working and causing the plug to misfire and hence giving less power.
All these "max power" reviews of this sort of stuff, its normally a set of fucked old leads they are comparing against, ive yet to see one where they want and bought a 200 set of new beru leads from vauxhall to compare against or whatever in the first place.
Totally unscientific and if it was scientific it would then be far less interesting as they wouldnt get such variety in the results
Also that particular mag was horrific for doing "tests" with great results on anything that seemed to be spending a lot of money on advertising spend with the mag!
05-01-2011, 10:15 AM
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In the case of my nova, thats actually cheaper than a new genuine set.
Over 2 bar of boost and well over 500bhp and NO problems with spark is worth paying a few quid for TBH
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05-01-2011, 10:39 AM
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Never once did Revs conduct a test and weigh the results in favour of an advertiser. IIRC Nology didn't actually advertise at the time of the test, whereas several competitors did and it caused a massive problem.
No magazine I've worked for, or with, has ever lied on a test to favour an advertiser - I've personally pissed off three different advertisers to the point where they pulled their advertising from the mag, and one of them pulled their ads from the whole Future auto portfolio as a result of how they faired in a test.
05-01-2011, 10:47 AM
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I was refering to Max Power not revs and not talking about a leads test specifically, I saw them test filters for example and they compared a secondhand standard one with new modified ones!
IIRC Nology didn't actually advertise at the time of the test, whereas several competitors did and it caused a massive problem.
No magazine I've worked for, or with, has ever lied on a test to favour an advertiser - I've personally pissed off three different advertisers to the point where they pulled their advertising from the mag, and one of them pulled their ads from the whole Future auto portfolio as a result of how they faired in a test.
If your revs test didnt include buying a NEW set of standard leads to compare to the NEW other leads you tested, then IMHO it was unscientific by default, although only in favour to the WHOLE set of modified leads not to one specific one.
Not saying that was the case, I dont think I ever read it, so dont claim to know anything about what you did, im just saying IF you didnt buy new standard leads, it was flawed IMHO, unless the text specifically said "as leads get old, they degrade, here we test what replacing your tired standard leads with new upgraded ones can offer..." or similar.
Which knowing you well enough to know how much your integreity matters to you (like it does me!) I wouldnt be surprised if you did exactly that.
Not sure how you got the wrong end of the stick that I was talking about your article, but apologies that somehow you did from what I wrote, it obviously wasnt clear enough.
I'm only a freelancer as you know, so I know little of the ins and outs office of politics at the mags I write for, but I do know enough to know that advertisers often expect more than just their adverts in terms of getting value from mags.
Barton once told me that he had "a suit" (as he called them) come up to him once and say "here is a list of our top 30 spenders on advertising, what are we doing for each of them to ensure they get good value from the mag",
Bartons response was something along the lines of "We make a good honest mag that people enjoy reading, and thats all, we dont do anything individually for them, my loyalty is to the readers not the advertisers"
Last edited by Chip; 05-01-2011 at 11:03 AM.
05-01-2011, 11:13 AM
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...I do know enough to know that advertisers often expect more than just their adverts in terms of getting value from mags.
Barton once told me that he had "a suit" (as he called them) come up to him once and say "here is a list of our top 30 spenders on advertising, what are we doing for each of them to ensure they get good value from the mag",
Bartons response was something along the lines of "We make a good honest mag that people enjoy reading, and thats all, we dont do anything individually for them, my loyalty is to the readers not the advertisers"
Barton once told me that he had "a suit" (as he called them) come up to him once and say "here is a list of our top 30 spenders on advertising, what are we doing for each of them to ensure they get good value from the mag",
Bartons response was something along the lines of "We make a good honest mag that people enjoy reading, and thats all, we dont do anything individually for them, my loyalty is to the readers not the advertisers"
Last edited by DanW@FastFord; 05-01-2011 at 11:14 AM.
05-01-2011, 11:18 AM
#22
In a challenging market, any Editor who doesn't know how to keep the advertisers sweet is a very bad Editor - there are many ways of doing this without lying, misleading, or short changing the reader. That is one of the (many) reasons why Barton is no longer an Editor, and instead now runs a kebab shop in Dursley.
I really liked him to work for though, he did care about quality of work, and he cared that the readers were getting value for money.
He also cared that his little boy could read the mag so refused to allow all the "phone me and have a wank" phoneline numbers in the back etc too.
Nice guy, but I can totally understand how he would wind "the suits" up!
05-01-2011, 11:25 AM
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So all that a test would show is 8 of them working all giving the same power, and 2 of them not working and causing the plug to misfire and hence giving less power.
All these "max power" reviews of this sort of stuff, its normally a set of fucked old leads they are comparing against, ive yet to see one where they want and bought a 200 set of new beru leads from vauxhall to compare against or whatever in the first place.
Totally unscientific and if it was scientific it would then be far less interesting as they wouldnt get such variety in the results
Also that particular mag was horrific for doing "tests" with great results on anything that seemed to be spending a lot of money on advertising spend with the mag!
All these "max power" reviews of this sort of stuff, its normally a set of fucked old leads they are comparing against, ive yet to see one where they want and bought a 200 set of new beru leads from vauxhall to compare against or whatever in the first place.
Totally unscientific and if it was scientific it would then be far less interesting as they wouldnt get such variety in the results
Also that particular mag was horrific for doing "tests" with great results on anything that seemed to be spending a lot of money on advertising spend with the mag!
Ok, fair enough, it was just that the only mag test mentionend was the Revs one, so I jumped to that conclusion. It's just a subject that gets me wound up as I know how much time, effort and grief it is to put together a fair test. To then have someone cry foul play because the results didn't suit them gets me hulk-spec mad!
05-01-2011, 11:26 AM
#24
I'm sure Bartons no-nonsense old skool approach is totally at odds with running any modern mag.
I really liked him to work for though, he did care about quality of work, and he cared that the readers were getting value for money.
Nice guy, but I can totally understand how he would wind "the suits" up!
I really liked him to work for though, he did care about quality of work, and he cared that the readers were getting value for money.
Nice guy, but I can totally understand how he would wind "the suits" up!
05-01-2011, 11:29 AM
#25
Im aware of some stuff that I couldnt possibly mention on the net
Anyway, like I said, I liked him and he was good to me as well to be fair, I probably wouldnt get the chance to work for you occasionally these days which is always work I enjoy if it wasnt for the break he gave me getting my foot in the door at Future, so Im probably subconciously loyal to him for that reason too.
He was a bad choice for editor of TV though, even I could see that, he fucking hated FWD cars for a start
Anyway, like I said, I liked him and he was good to me as well to be fair, I probably wouldnt get the chance to work for you occasionally these days which is always work I enjoy if it wasnt for the break he gave me getting my foot in the door at Future, so Im probably subconciously loyal to him for that reason too.
He was a bad choice for editor of TV though, even I could see that, he fucking hated FWD cars for a start
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