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20-12-2010, 10:52 PM
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Just thought i'd throw my 2 cents in.
I used to use this site loads, i was a Gold member for years. Then it all turned very sour. People got banned for IMO silly things, there was a lot of ill feeling over the site being sold etc and lots of people simply 'left'
There are still a lot of knowledgeable people here, don't get me wrong, but i just don't like the atmosphere anymore. I use other sites were people don't jump down your throat for having an opinion on something and were you can have a discussion that doesn't degraded into tit for tat abuse
Now none of this is a slight against Stu or any of the mods as i've never had any issuse with either of them. I've chatted to Stu on the phone a few times and i'd always come away with the impression he's a gentleman - Same goes for any of the traders, i've been to Pete RS Specialts place, talked to him, been to Reyland, bought parts from Paul @ NYRS spares, dealt with Mike R, CDF etc etc and don't have a single bad word to say about any of them. Yes I'm a whore and get around alot
I think sometimes forums are their own worst enemy as it's all the easy for any of us to get carried away and type things we usually wouldn't say to someones face.
Not that thats any real use to the discussion, but it'd be nice to see PF go back to how it was a few years ago.
I used to use this site loads, i was a Gold member for years. Then it all turned very sour. People got banned for IMO silly things, there was a lot of ill feeling over the site being sold etc and lots of people simply 'left'
There are still a lot of knowledgeable people here, don't get me wrong, but i just don't like the atmosphere anymore. I use other sites were people don't jump down your throat for having an opinion on something and were you can have a discussion that doesn't degraded into tit for tat abuse
Now none of this is a slight against Stu or any of the mods as i've never had any issuse with either of them. I've chatted to Stu on the phone a few times and i'd always come away with the impression he's a gentleman - Same goes for any of the traders, i've been to Pete RS Specialts place, talked to him, been to Reyland, bought parts from Paul @ NYRS spares, dealt with Mike R, CDF etc etc and don't have a single bad word to say about any of them. Yes I'm a whore and get around alot
I think sometimes forums are their own worst enemy as it's all the easy for any of us to get carried away and type things we usually wouldn't say to someones face.
Not that thats any real use to the discussion, but it'd be nice to see PF go back to how it was a few years ago.
20-12-2010, 11:25 PM
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Can u not make a iPhone app???
Funny people commenting on mlr ain't it part of the same group that own this site?
Iv found this site very usefull as Iv bin away from ford for about 3 years and happy 2 be back.
I allso get wound up with the slagging off and bitching that Iv noticed happening.
Funny people commenting on mlr ain't it part of the same group that own this site?
Iv found this site very usefull as Iv bin away from ford for about 3 years and happy 2 be back.
I allso get wound up with the slagging off and bitching that Iv noticed happening.
21-12-2010, 12:55 AM
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As a ex goldmember who didnt renew here are my reasons why and how i think the site could be improved.
1: Traders should not be mods, its bound to be a conflict of interests at some point, anyone can see that.
2: Moderators should still be appointed by the Admin, but a vote should be taken after a period of time if they should be kept. There is at least one mod on here whos attitude frankly sucks, and I would wager would be voted out. This stops the site being a dictatorship, which when people are paying for it, it shouldn't be.
3: If a user has a infraction they should be allowed to appeal. I lost the right to advertise at all on here as it was decided I was a trader. I am self employed, but not in cars or parts. Because i broke 2 cars (i used a engine from one in my Ka and my mate used the engine from the other) it was decided I was a "bedroom" trader and lost the right to sell anything on here. I had no recourse and my Gold membership was rendered useless. I could not appeal that, and a message to both admins remained unanswered. I am now in a position where I would be considering trade status for my new business venture, but I now wont because of this. I have also not renewed my gold membership after several years.
Thats my input as someone who used to pay and now won't. I had gold mainly as I change my car fairly often and it was good to advertise on here. But I don't now because a decision was made and no compramise was available, I even said ban me from the section I was apperantly trading in!
Sorry that became a bit of a rant!
1: Traders should not be mods, its bound to be a conflict of interests at some point, anyone can see that.
2: Moderators should still be appointed by the Admin, but a vote should be taken after a period of time if they should be kept. There is at least one mod on here whos attitude frankly sucks, and I would wager would be voted out. This stops the site being a dictatorship, which when people are paying for it, it shouldn't be.
3: If a user has a infraction they should be allowed to appeal. I lost the right to advertise at all on here as it was decided I was a trader. I am self employed, but not in cars or parts. Because i broke 2 cars (i used a engine from one in my Ka and my mate used the engine from the other) it was decided I was a "bedroom" trader and lost the right to sell anything on here. I had no recourse and my Gold membership was rendered useless. I could not appeal that, and a message to both admins remained unanswered. I am now in a position where I would be considering trade status for my new business venture, but I now wont because of this. I have also not renewed my gold membership after several years.
Thats my input as someone who used to pay and now won't. I had gold mainly as I change my car fairly often and it was good to advertise on here. But I don't now because a decision was made and no compramise was available, I even said ban me from the section I was apperantly trading in!
Sorry that became a bit of a rant!
21-12-2010, 01:34 AM
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As a ex goldmember who didnt renew here are my reasons why and how i think the site could be improved.
1: Traders should not be mods, its bound to be a conflict of interests at some point, anyone can see that.
2: Moderators should still be appointed by the Admin, but a vote should be taken after a period of time if they should be kept. There is at least one mod on here whos attitude frankly sucks, and I would wager would be voted out. This stops the site being a dictatorship, which when people are paying for it, it shouldn't be.
3: If a user has a infraction they should be allowed to appeal. I lost the right to advertise at all on here as it was decided I was a trader. I am self employed, but not in cars or parts. Because i broke 2 cars (i used a engine from one in my Ka and my mate used the engine from the other) it was decided I was a "bedroom" trader and lost the right to sell anything on here. I had no recourse and my Gold membership was rendered useless. I could not appeal that, and a message to both admins remained unanswered. I am now in a position where I would be considering trade status for my new business venture, but I now wont because of this. I have also not renewed my gold membership after several years.
Thats my input as someone who used to pay and now won't. I had gold mainly as I change my car fairly often and it was good to advertise on here. But I don't now because a decision was made and no compramise was available, I even said ban me from the section I was apperantly trading in!
Sorry that became a bit of a rant!
1: Traders should not be mods, its bound to be a conflict of interests at some point, anyone can see that.
2: Moderators should still be appointed by the Admin, but a vote should be taken after a period of time if they should be kept. There is at least one mod on here whos attitude frankly sucks, and I would wager would be voted out. This stops the site being a dictatorship, which when people are paying for it, it shouldn't be.
3: If a user has a infraction they should be allowed to appeal. I lost the right to advertise at all on here as it was decided I was a trader. I am self employed, but not in cars or parts. Because i broke 2 cars (i used a engine from one in my Ka and my mate used the engine from the other) it was decided I was a "bedroom" trader and lost the right to sell anything on here. I had no recourse and my Gold membership was rendered useless. I could not appeal that, and a message to both admins remained unanswered. I am now in a position where I would be considering trade status for my new business venture, but I now wont because of this. I have also not renewed my gold membership after several years.
Thats my input as someone who used to pay and now won't. I had gold mainly as I change my car fairly often and it was good to advertise on here. But I don't now because a decision was made and no compramise was available, I even said ban me from the section I was apperantly trading in!
Sorry that became a bit of a rant!
top post, very well put, there are many who feel that way,if they speak up maybe something will get done about it
21-12-2010, 06:53 AM
#130
As a ex goldmember who didnt renew here are my reasons why and how i think the site could be improved.
1: Traders should not be mods, its bound to be a conflict of interests at some point, anyone can see that.
2: Moderators should still be appointed by the Admin, but a vote should be taken after a period of time if they should be kept. There is at least one mod on here whos attitude frankly sucks, and I would wager would be voted out. This stops the site being a dictatorship, which when people are paying for it, it shouldn't be.
3: If a user has a infraction they should be allowed to appeal. I lost the right to advertise at all on here as it was decided I was a trader. I am self employed, but not in cars or parts. Because i broke 2 cars (i used a engine from one in my Ka and my mate used the engine from the other) it was decided I was a "bedroom" trader and lost the right to sell anything on here. I had no recourse and my Gold membership was rendered useless. I could not appeal that, and a message to both admins remained unanswered. I am now in a position where I would be considering trade status for my new business venture, but I now wont because of this. I have also not renewed my gold membership after several years.
Thats my input as someone who used to pay and now won't. I had gold mainly as I change my car fairly often and it was good to advertise on here. But I don't now because a decision was made and no compramise was available, I even said ban me from the section I was apperantly trading in!
Sorry that became a bit of a rant!
1: Traders should not be mods, its bound to be a conflict of interests at some point, anyone can see that.
2: Moderators should still be appointed by the Admin, but a vote should be taken after a period of time if they should be kept. There is at least one mod on here whos attitude frankly sucks, and I would wager would be voted out. This stops the site being a dictatorship, which when people are paying for it, it shouldn't be.
3: If a user has a infraction they should be allowed to appeal. I lost the right to advertise at all on here as it was decided I was a trader. I am self employed, but not in cars or parts. Because i broke 2 cars (i used a engine from one in my Ka and my mate used the engine from the other) it was decided I was a "bedroom" trader and lost the right to sell anything on here. I had no recourse and my Gold membership was rendered useless. I could not appeal that, and a message to both admins remained unanswered. I am now in a position where I would be considering trade status for my new business venture, but I now wont because of this. I have also not renewed my gold membership after several years.
Thats my input as someone who used to pay and now won't. I had gold mainly as I change my car fairly often and it was good to advertise on here. But I don't now because a decision was made and no compramise was available, I even said ban me from the section I was apperantly trading in!
Sorry that became a bit of a rant!
all people will do is vote for the " soft touch " mod who lets them get away with breaking all the rules to suit thenself
I may see if i can vote for who is the police im my town so that i can drive like a complete cock and get away with it
I think what you dont like are the rules , mods simply make sure people stick to the rules , it seems to me that there are only a handful of mods that actually do anything and thats why the ones that do you all hate as you think there cunts when realy its only because there the only ones pulling people up on stuff
Its the rules you dont like not the mods that stick to them
so its either try and get the rules changed or STFU
As the saying goes , " dont shoot the messanger "
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21-12-2010, 07:49 AM
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Traders should not be mods.. all to often we have seen a certain trader / mod bend the rules to his advantage. It just doesn't work so needs looking into.
I actually think that certain mods are ruining this forum. Because it has become so strict with ban's being handed out for 'banter' no one darent say anything which is why its boring and feels a lot quieter. So restructure the mods again, its about time dead wood got rid of anyway.
I actually think that certain mods are ruining this forum. Because it has become so strict with ban's being handed out for 'banter' no one darent say anything which is why its boring and feels a lot quieter. So restructure the mods again, its about time dead wood got rid of anyway.
21-12-2010, 07:53 AM
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How can you possibly let the users vote who should be mods
all people will do is vote for the " soft touch " mod who lets them get away with breaking all the rules to suit thenself
I may see if i can vote for who is the police im my town so that i can drive like a complete cock and get away with it
I think what you dont like are the rules , mods simply make sure people stick to the rules , it seems to me that there are only a handful of mods that actually do anything and thats why the ones that do you all hate as you think there cunts when realy its only because there the only ones pulling people up on stuff
Its the rules you dont like not the mods that stick to them
so its either try and get the rules changed or STFU
As the saying goes , " dont shoot the messanger "
all people will do is vote for the " soft touch " mod who lets them get away with breaking all the rules to suit thenself
I may see if i can vote for who is the police im my town so that i can drive like a complete cock and get away with it
I think what you dont like are the rules , mods simply make sure people stick to the rules , it seems to me that there are only a handful of mods that actually do anything and thats why the ones that do you all hate as you think there cunts when realy its only because there the only ones pulling people up on stuff
Its the rules you dont like not the mods that stick to them
so its either try and get the rules changed or STFU
As the saying goes , " dont shoot the messanger "
That lack of consistancy comes from the fact that so many of the mods arent actually frequent users anymore and dont see enough of what goes on or from the fact that some mods have their own business agenda which is higher up in their list of priorities than a forum
Amazed you cant see that TBH, surely if its obvious to just us mere mortals who use the site it should be very obvious to the unelected evil overlords
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21-12-2010, 11:27 AM
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The rules arent the problem, the lack of consistancy in applying them is.
That lack of consistancy comes from the fact that so many of the mods arent actually frequent users anymore and dont see enough of what goes on or from the fact that some mods have their own business agenda which is higher up in their list of priorities than a forum
Amazed you cant see that TBH, surely if its obvious to just us mere mortals who use the site it should be very obvious to the unelected evil overlords
That lack of consistancy comes from the fact that so many of the mods arent actually frequent users anymore and dont see enough of what goes on or from the fact that some mods have their own business agenda which is higher up in their list of priorities than a forum
Amazed you cant see that TBH, surely if its obvious to just us mere mortals who use the site it should be very obvious to the unelected evil overlords
LOL !! but true !
I tend to agree but would love to be proved wrong.
Stu has asked and I hope he listens.... !
21-12-2010, 12:46 PM
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Well,as long as the thread doesn't turn to shit then I think the powers that be would be wise to listen,after all if people don't come on here then there's no point in running a site really is there?
Tbh I like the site the way it is,apart from the issues discussed above but so far there seems to be the same areas for improvement popping up:
- mods,their role,their integrity,their involvement
- trade rules,bedroom traders,false traders etc
- freedom of speech.
Good debate so far.
Tbh I like the site the way it is,apart from the issues discussed above but so far there seems to be the same areas for improvement popping up:
- mods,their role,their integrity,their involvement
- trade rules,bedroom traders,false traders etc
- freedom of speech.
Good debate so far.
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21-12-2010, 12:53 PM
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In the same way I can't even mention in my sig what car magazine I work for!
Again I 100% agree a large part of the fun factor was removed when tags went.
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21-12-2010, 03:08 PM
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I used to be a gold member, however I felt the forum had changed and now will not renew.
I was happy to pay when we were paying for the upkeep of the site, in essence us Gold Members were the lifeblood.
Now I feel your paying for the right to view the same banners and a load of adverts. Fair enough if the site has been sold to bigger fish who can handle it a bit better. But the funding from advertising must cover the costs of the site with ease. I don't think our tenners make much difference any more and thats one of the reasons I won't pay any more.
Also I just get very unethical feeling about the site. I'm sure there will be lots of counter points made to what I'm about to say, but to an outsider looking in it seems the whole site is a giant Stu/MSD propoganda machine, with some of the mods taking this attitude to take advantage too.
This sucks and is the route of the downturn for this place.
It used to be great place with a really commnuity spirit. Now its spolit by greed, money and power trips.
Bring back the old days
I was happy to pay when we were paying for the upkeep of the site, in essence us Gold Members were the lifeblood.
Now I feel your paying for the right to view the same banners and a load of adverts. Fair enough if the site has been sold to bigger fish who can handle it a bit better. But the funding from advertising must cover the costs of the site with ease. I don't think our tenners make much difference any more and thats one of the reasons I won't pay any more.
Also I just get very unethical feeling about the site. I'm sure there will be lots of counter points made to what I'm about to say, but to an outsider looking in it seems the whole site is a giant Stu/MSD propoganda machine, with some of the mods taking this attitude to take advantage too.
This sucks and is the route of the downturn for this place.
It used to be great place with a really commnuity spirit. Now its spolit by greed, money and power trips.
Bring back the old days
21-12-2010, 03:11 PM
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BTW if you want to see a bigger forum run a lot better than here for FREE, check out www.twoplustwo.com
21-12-2010, 03:55 PM
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But at the same time you can't blame stu for taking advantage if running the site and being head honcho, you telling me if you were in his position you wouldn't do the same and save a shedload of advertising costs? He's made it more than clear that it's a huge udget he's got to put ads everywhere so I thunk that's one thing that's not going to change.
On that matter, I do agree that it's a bit unfair on all the othere traders who don't get a share of the advertising publicity. I remember scrolling through to get rainbirds/martins numbers in the past but now it seems that stubrules the roost when it comes to banner ads.
And while we are on the subject of ads, I know it's been mentioned before, but how come we get most of them in American? Shouldn't they at least have the foresight to have an English based site seeing as the majority of the users are from this small island?
On that matter, I do agree that it's a bit unfair on all the othere traders who don't get a share of the advertising publicity. I remember scrolling through to get rainbirds/martins numbers in the past but now it seems that stubrules the roost when it comes to banner ads.
And while we are on the subject of ads, I know it's been mentioned before, but how come we get most of them in American? Shouldn't they at least have the foresight to have an English based site seeing as the majority of the users are from this small island?
21-12-2010, 04:03 PM
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I don't blame Stu, I don't think he set out on purpose and yes I can see things from his side of the fence.
But I was saying as an outsider looking in one would think it is MSD overkill on here.
Those early days are gone and won't be coming back.
But I was saying as an outsider looking in one would think it is MSD overkill on here.
Those early days are gone and won't be coming back.
21-12-2010, 06:08 PM
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when it's all said and done stu, will you have seperate threads on the various things that have been discused so that you can give out a few options on how you want things to go for each thing or is it just a case of a few ideas from this thread will be implimented?
or just a see how it goes approach?
or just a see how it goes approach?
21-12-2010, 06:17 PM
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And while we are on the subject of ads, I know it's been mentioned before, but how come we get most of them in American? Shouldn't they at least have the foresight to have an English based site seeing as the majority of the users are from this small island?[/QUOTE]
I am guessing it's because IB are based in America?
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I am guessing it's because IB are based in America?
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21-12-2010, 06:38 PM
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And while we are on the subject of ads, I know it's been mentioned before, but how come we get most of them in American? Shouldn't they at least have the foresight to have an English based site seeing as the majority of the users are from this small island?
I am guessing it's because IB are based in America?
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I am guessing it's because IB are based in America?
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and you have to select UK. The sponsors are American cause the owners of the site are American.Im sure if the owners approached UK companies for the advertising space they would sell it, but that is too hard when your based in America
21-12-2010, 09:39 PM
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Would it be possible to have an area/room where users can have a post of thier own showing what they do for a living?. Im sure there are hundreds of people on here that are in allsorts of different trades , website designers,printers, roofers, plumbers etc etc that could really benefit from a little extra work.
By charging someone a fiver or a tenner to show thier trade skills surely everyones a winner?
Obviously people dont come onto a car based site to find a kitchen fitter so it wouldnt be worthwhile paying normal traders fees but it might help the diminishing comunity spirit on here if we had people from our own little comunity that we could turn to for non car related purchases/help. I guess this idea might upset the car trade users somewhat so possibly not the greatest idea but i figured its worth a try.
By charging someone a fiver or a tenner to show thier trade skills surely everyones a winner?
Obviously people dont come onto a car based site to find a kitchen fitter so it wouldnt be worthwhile paying normal traders fees but it might help the diminishing comunity spirit on here if we had people from our own little comunity that we could turn to for non car related purchases/help. I guess this idea might upset the car trade users somewhat so possibly not the greatest idea but i figured its worth a try.
22-12-2010, 11:55 AM
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if this site has that many problems whay doesnt everyone just go back to the rs owners site,or is that cos hardly anyone on here has an rs anymore
22-12-2010, 12:26 PM
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Examples:Those four forums alone see more traffic per week than the RSOC BB see in 6 months.
What users seem to forget, is that the webteam do a great job of ensuring the majority of ford relevant discussion topics are kept in the correct rooms.
You tend to only see the hardcore GD users in topics like this, always moaning, and VERY rarely seen in any Ford related rooms giving any usefull input to teh community.
I will have a feature to graph that soon and prove it too, showing each users use in each site section... should be very interesting to see who moans about it being non ford nowadays yet never goes in any FORD subsection... Eh Simon?
LOL
22-12-2010, 12:30 PM
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Because it doesnt have many problems at all, the members here just like to complain and put people down, if you visit any of the forum subsections that are specifically ABOUT FORDS you will see everything is harmonious.
Examples:Those four forums alone see more traffic per week than the RSOC BB see in 6 months.
What users seem to forget, is that the webteam do a great job of ensuring the majority of ford relevant discussion topics are kept in the correct rooms.
You tend to only see the hardcore GD users in topics like this, always moaning, and VERY rarely seen in any Ford related rooms giving any usefull input to teh community.
I will have a feature to graph that soon and prove it too, showing each users use in each site section... should be very interesting to see who moans about it being non ford nowadays yet never goes in any FORD subsection... Eh Simon? LOL
Examples:Those four forums alone see more traffic per week than the RSOC BB see in 6 months.
What users seem to forget, is that the webteam do a great job of ensuring the majority of ford relevant discussion topics are kept in the correct rooms.
You tend to only see the hardcore GD users in topics like this, always moaning, and VERY rarely seen in any Ford related rooms giving any usefull input to teh community.
I will have a feature to graph that soon and prove it too, showing each users use in each site section... should be very interesting to see who moans about it being non ford nowadays yet never goes in any FORD subsection... Eh Simon?
LOL
22-12-2010, 12:32 PM
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It used to be great place with a really commnuity spirit. Now its spolit by greed, money and power trips. Bring back the old days
22-12-2010, 12:33 PM
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Sorry Stu, I didn't mean it wasn't factual, I don't doubt for one minute that your 100% right.
But the thread will de-rail faster than Rod can get to 200mph if Simon goes on one of his 'prooving he is right' missions
But the thread will de-rail faster than Rod can get to 200mph if Simon goes on one of his 'prooving he is right' missions