that was inevitable, as soon as i read stu's original post, i thought 'this will be interesting'.

why change the habbit of the last few years anyway, every thread turns to shit, this was just asking for it from the get go

 

Hello mate, can I please ask why you are the only mod replying to this post when Stu has asked for members input? Stu didn't ask for mods to defend themselves, his asked for input of the people who actually use the site. You replying here to justify things will only trigger previous problems that have been discussed (Which it already has).

Can you please just let us have our say so Stu can see the issues users have with this site then he and IB can decide why this site is loosing its users/members and hopefully do something to get our faith back.

This is not a personal dig as I do not know you, but can see this thread turning to shyte with your replies justifying why things have happened.

 

Yes that is so. When we go to car meets at pubs etc, is it just cars that is spoken about? No. So why does it need to be so on here? There has been some good, topical car and non-car related threads on here that have had good input from Ford owners and non-Ford owners alike. It is a 'community' of people with a common interest, but not only one interest. My god it would be a boring place if every thread was about Ford cars and everything else was deleted or moved to 'another place'.

A few years ago Stu tried having 'General Discussion - Car Related' and 'General Discussion - Non Car Related'. Did it work? I don't think I need to answer that. It's the nature of the beast, it's the Internet. It brings together people from all walks of life and surprise surprise, everyone is entitled to their own view/opinion.

Regarding the Pete/Paul situation, those two are clearly mates and have, in more than one instance, openly supported each others businesses prior to becoming traders/mods in a way to circumvent the traders fee's, so I find alot of what has been said on the subject of trading hypocritical. I can't think of any legitimate reason why being a trader would warrant being exempt from the need to quote a price for his/her item, when everyone else has to. Both have also displayed some seriously unjustified and, at times, heavy-handed moderating.

 

If the tags were brought back the 'hover over' function would be a good idea, and I totally agree with what's been said about mods needing to participate more or move on.
Pete however is a GREAT mod, I've a new found respect for him!! (And it's not because I'm scared that he likes guns... )





You're back home now, the gay thing usually subsides when you get to play on your missus!!

 

PMSL ask yourseld the question "why aimed at me" proably because Iam on of the very few active mods on here

 

i agree with this the whole nms thing was a joke in my opinion out of interest is pete still a payed up trader?rs specialist if so fair enough if not thats back to the one rule thing as im 99% sure rs specialist was used in the magazine adverts for his buisness maybe wrong if i am i apoligise in advance

 

dont worry others will be along shortly,

 

be honest susan, you just dont want your username changed again

 

Thanks for the reply mate.

I can understand that from a parts sales point of view, because a trader has to make money and someone can potentially sell the buyer the exact same thing and undercut the legitimate traders price for that.

However, I can't really understand it when it comes to car sales.. obviously personal cars (I assume) have to be declared as per every Goldmember, but from a trade cars point of view, its the same as trading a car into a dealership IMO. You'll always see your car being advertised for more than you got as a trade in/sale price and if someone is stupid enough to assume that an independant car dealer uses a different principal to larger dealer networks then that's their look out really.


Cheers,
Grant

 

It's not Pete I have to worry about there, it's that little toe rag Mark!!!

 

Can i please just clear 2 things up

1, Traders do NOT have to put prices on ANY adverts , this is simply to stop bedroom traders sending pm"s to people who have asked a trader for a price or who have put prices in adverts and offering items Ł10 cheaper

Yes i know that nobody else can offer my Caltex car cheaper but you know what i mean , and the reson i didnt put a price as it would have caused the same sort of shit that is all to common on here these days and i was sure that a serious buyer would have an idea of price ( that point was proved as most did ) so i didnt want a price putting

My point was proved as my for sale post did turn to shit will dickheads saying this and that about somthing they new fuck all about , hence why the post was cleaned and locked

2, Regards Pete showing me special favours

I asked him to lock my post ( he did ) I then asked him to BTT the post as i couldnt as it was locked and it was easier for him to do that rather than unlock it so i could BTT then get him to lock it again
This is somthing that im sure any mod would do for any member if they requested it , there is nothing " special " about what he did at my request



BTW , No offence taken by me for anyone using that as an example

You fookin wankers , lol

 

Maybe traders shouldnt be mods ?

 

Thats my point, why are mods getting involved to justify things? Obviously these things have pissed a lot of people off as they are posting it on here. Maybe you made the right decision based on the rules, but not by the people. If you let people have their say instead of replying then maybe the rules can be changed to stop you pissing people off?

Let the users have their say and maybe this site can get back to how it used to be

 

pete i think your too heavy handed tho & dont treat everybody the same ! im pretty sure its not only me that thinks that ! ive never been a trader so it dosent effect me directly but i see alot of for sale threads etc & think come off your high horse ! Im not going to say anymore because your finger will just hover over the button.

 

Another problem with this site. Say anything against a mod/stu and instant ban more or less

 

Paul I understand about the parts etc but still cant understand about why no prices on cars for traders. its virtually imposible to undercut on that.. No one can offer your caltex just like noone else can offer my 200 mile escort so what diff does it make if theres a price or not for regular folk? If theres no price and somebody has to make the 10 min call to me then its worth it as that person has obviously shown intrest.. if its a run of the mill mondeo and you know what you want for it then fair play put a price but if its something special where obviosly uour going to want to maxamise profits why would you lock yourself into a price? I got offered 42k for my escort when it was up at 40k so do i turn down the extra 2k or do i just not put a price on and sell it to the highest bidder? Its not forsale anymore tho

 

this isnt about me by the way,but if you want to dig carry on but please lets have sonething factual ,everyone gets treated the same way,no matter who they are.
when posts gets reported by members about members breaking the rules someone has to deal with it

 

Stu asked a question & i think that your moderating needs looking at ! end of from me. I only wish that the others thinking it would pipe up as well. All im doing is having my say i like this site i spend all day on it when im working i dont have many gripes about it at all i have met alot of nice ppl from it.

 

if the moderation is your only gripe put your name forward to be one,then you can moderate your mates you have made on here,then you will see the other side of the coin,thats if you got involved and didnt leave it to someone else
i will put your name foward next time we need a new blood,being on the net all day will be a good help to the site

 

Very true! Bannings in general need to be looked at too IMO. A 'life ban' for banter is out of order, and should only be reserved for serious issues like ripping off members or selling drugs for example.

 

it doesnt matter now anyway as i was offered 45k and turned it down and have decided to keep it and improve it

 

what would be ideal for me at the mo would be a pay as you use option for advertising cars for sale. say,first 3 per year would be foc,but after that each advert would cost a fiver.
as i said it would suit me as im still trading but not enough to warrant traders fees in one go,but would happliy pay a fiver per car i want to advertise.

 

Mods being traders, as mentioned above it does give the impression that the sites unfair.


Getting rid of traders altogether, everyone seems to have a problem with them one way or another so maybe letting them pay extra to have "trade" status but that only allows them to have a link to their own website shop, taking all commercial sales off the site.

active mods is a good idea, or maybe circulating them on a regular/annual basis.
It does feel recently that its very much us and them, as the mods dont seem to be part of the community anymore.

Refreshing the site logos/banners.
they've got to have been the same for at least 5+ years now, time for a freshen up.

more benefits for being a goldmember, other then the goldmember tag you don't seem to get very much.

just a few ideas.

 

IMO

No trade status , everyone can sell as much or as little as they wish all for the same price

No more of these bedroom traders who claim they arnt traders but who quite clearly are

Ł x amount per year ( or whatever the owners decide ) for everyone ,

no pay no for sale adds that way the forum doesnt lose out and the money still comes in

Then there will be no back stabbing / moaning etc and if you dont want to pay the Ł x amount then simply use another website or ebay

Cant say any fairer than that

 

We could be here all night if I carry on but I'll just have a few ideas.

Tags, don't make them anonymous if they get resurected. For the simple reason that if you want to say something you should not be afraid to say it or be blessed with a clock of invisability unles you are a mod. Also, if they are to be reserected, can we have a "report tag" option in the tag field if there are any inapropriate ones we feel have been left?

The arguing rule, needs to be handled better. I feel that some arguements go on just to see how far they can escalate before anything may happen. And then if nothing does it's because no one has reported any of the posts and that seems to be a get out clause for the mods to fall back on.

The mods, I think that the current mods are great and they do their jobs well, but when it comes to something questionable, we have been told that the first mod who deals with it is always right and every other mod backs them up on said matter. What if that mod has had a bad day? On small trivial things fair enough to let them go, but on a serious matter where one mod thinks one way and another thinks another, what happens then? Does it get put to a vote? Or is this just a glorified dictatorship where you either do it the Stu way or take the highway on matters he deems are of the utmost importance?

Stu, and sometime the harshness of being a business man. Business and pleasure have a difference for a reason, but I seem to feel that some people have taken it upon themselves to give you a bit of a hard time o er the past few years (me included a few years back) when it seems apparent that you will do something outside of your normal role if it's either your business or your friends involved in the matter. O er the last copule of months it's been fine and dandy and, other than the time you were in my sulky books, I can't really put my finger on anything else, but that feeling was apparent for quite some time and I'm sure I'm not the only one whobfelt that your toys has exited pram left during the whole tag issue. Please don't ban me now

Speeling branch, or those who have recently been very vocal in raising the issue of people who can't write proper. An issue that is close to my heart as I do suffer from dyslexia fairly badly, amongst other brain related impairments, but it should be obvious to the vast majority of people that some members have this malfunction, rather than diliberatly going for the text speak shorthand. I'm not asking for a special "Dislexic" tag in the same way as you get designated a mod or gold membership or trader status, but it has gotten to the point where it's become very very petty, the ginuee pig thread for example.

As I've said, I could go on but not a lot of people read my long posts, so any other ideas I'll leave to a seperate post

 

i agree with that scrap traders fees and just have a gold membership as there is now but pay the yearly fee and sell as much of whatever you want whenever you want i dont see why people like yourself get royaly shafted with traders fees just because your succesful in what you do you get raped but on the other hand all this money is lining pockets so nothing involving less money coming in is EVER going to happen not a dig at anyone just the way i see it

 

but then you will no the whole community here thinks your a penis

 

I dont agree with scrapping traders fees, if people are going to make a direct profit from this website then this website deserves a cut of that, it would be too impractical to have it on a per advert basis so I think that having a tiered system for trade and non trade in that respect is fair.

However I think trade names should be allowed as the only way IMHO that people gain anything from that commerically is if they give good advice then people feel happy dealing with them so it helps their reputation and makes it more likely someone will phone them up etc, but in that situation by definition they have paid for that anyway, by providing this forum with good advice in the first place, I think that Karl's technical posts on here were of more value than the price of a traders fee to the community as a whole etc.

 

At least it'll be democratic

As for the traders fees, it's never going to be "fair" unless you impliment something along the lines of eBay fees for each sale and then you've got the whole paypal thing. Never mind the fact that the trader score has been forgotten about even though it's a very good idea, no one ever leaves any feedback as the system is a little bit too conplicated. If there were a way to intergrate the feedback score on the actual thread you buy from, would that ease the complicated way that it is currently done?

You simply have a button you press as the seller to rate the buyer and the buyer presses the feedback button fo the seller.

 

I put my name forward as I'm on all night, but iirc two others were chosen, where are they now? your the only mod who is online, and posts aswell as doing the moderating, I don't see many posts by other mods. Like others have said, we need some car enthusiast mods on here as well as the usual infractor and banners lol

 

Ps,when a screen loads on here, it jumps down, so if I press general discussion before the page has fully loaded I end up on msd's website, it does my bloody head in.

 

Been there, done that.

...IIRC it was partially due to my inbox being nearly full and the small message appearing telling me that?? I have done it since I cleared that out, but nowhere near as much mate.


Cheers,
Grant

 

My inbox isn't even on the 90% full message yet and does it most of the time if not all

 

Im still here and am most of the time I just dont post on alot of things

 

Ah right, can't help really cause I don't know much about computers mate... could be the snowy weather having an effect just now? Ice on the cables or something?












Cheers,
Grant

 

Why not*??


Cheers,
Grant

* in the nicest possible way.

 

scrapping the trade fees will cover everything tho chip

Everyone will pay to advertise so how is the website going to lose out , IMO more traders will use the place as this system will remove the trader hater thing that there is on this website and everyone will feel equall like it was in the early days

obviously the gold membership would need to rise to cover this but IMO them that want to use this site to sell should pay more than them that have the odd item for sale , so 3 ways

1, None gold member , cant sell jack shit

2, std gold member that allows 1 car per year and X amount of items / posts for sale

3, Advanced gold membership , unlimited for sale items at X amount



And how is it fair to have a trade user name without paying ?

Do you honestly think i would pay if i could have my trade name for free ?

I would just simply trade via pm like the bedroom trader yet still have my profile bonus with the user name

 

I personally would like to see a return of the old days banter without the fallouts everyone seems to have now, i do still try and post on peoples threads when i think i can either help or have a bit of a chuckle and i try not to take myself too seriously or fall out with people over daft things.... There does seem to be a lot of flak thrown at us mods nowadays though, so it`s gotta be a two way street imo.... i get on really well with a lot of people on here so i find it strange when a lot of people have a go at Mods for the stupidest things without trying to talk to us and resolve problems that way......

We are human after all, and yes some of us are even car enthusiasts

 

Hi Stu,

i'd like to see Passion Ford become more friendly and thats by no vulgar swearing,you see it time and time again when people who disagree start with the profanity,its a embarrasment to see people swearing and arguing .

i think theres not enough full time moderators to sort it out,theres moderators on here i have not seen post in the last 2 months too.
Passion Ford is known as Passion Fight on other websites and thats because people can seem to say anything so long as its not racist on here.

also i hate to see the arse licking in the cars for sale room,you just don't need pats on the back selling cars and also the negative comments.
the cars for sale should be moderated such that anything not relevant gets removed.

Regards Marv.

 

Ive never been a big poster on here,I will post on some threads but not everything

I do spend alot of time on here but more reading everything then posting on every thread, plus I've got my invisable mode on so that might be why people think im not on here but Ive always had that on