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Been reading this:

http://gizmodo.com/5084121/giz-explains-3d-technologies

About the different types of 3d TV, just wondered which people had?


Not actaully looking to buy yet as Im moving house at somepoint in the near future and will buy a TV then to suit rather than get one now that might not be right size or style in the next house etc, just interested in what people have gone for and what they think of it so far?
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dont be sucked into the worst gimmick just yet
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Care to expand on that Danneth? (Not disagreeing that 3D TV is a bit gimmicky, just seems you know more..!)
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Originally Posted by danneth
dont be sucked into the worst gimmick just yet
Indeed, the technology doesnt seem to have found a level yet, I think that anything bought now is liable to be looking very dated very soon.

Like I said, not actually interested in buying yet anyway (not moving for about a year or so I expect and it will be after that) just interested in general.
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Originally Posted by cabrio zo
Care to expand on that Danneth? (Not disagreeing that 3D TV is a bit gimmicky, just seems you know more..!)
3D tv on a 2D screen?
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Originally Posted by Chip
Indeed, the technology doesnt seem to have found a level yet, I think that anything bought now is liable to be looking very dated very soon.

Like I said, not actually interested in buying yet anyway (not moving for about a year or so I expect and it will be after that) just interested in general.
It is interesting, but thats where it stops for me far better tv's about in terms of PQ and price
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Originally Posted by danneth
3D tv on a 2D screen?
I saw one in Currys but didn't take a lot of notice TBH!
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Originally Posted by danneth
It is interesting, but thats where it stops for me far better tv's about in terms of PQ and price
If you are using active shutter glasses, the PQ is exactly the same, it just halves the refresh rate, but anything over 100hz is more than my brain would notice anyway
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Originally Posted by Chip
If you are using active shutter glasses, the PQ is exactly the same, it just halves the refresh rate, but anything over 100hz is more than my brain would notice anyway
Ghosting, motion blur, crosstalk all things you can suffer from with 99% of the sets about
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Oh dear. I am just about to buy this http://www.johnlewis.com/230973912/Product.aspx
Is it not a good idea?

I thought it looked superb...but compared to my 7 year old pioneer plasma just about ANYTHING looks superb
This tv can convert normal 2d tv to 3d which IS gimicky and not very good. But the 3d blu rays i've seen it play looked 'as good as it gets' - As did my plasma back in 2003.
The problem (for want of more appropriate words) with technology is, it continues to develop and largely improve which is progress. I think eventually you have to buy the best available for your budget, when you are ready to buy.

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Originally Posted by Danster76
Oh dear. I am just about to buy this http://www.johnlewis.com/shopping/Pr...U&Id=230973912
Is it not a good idea?

I thought it looked superb...but compared to my 9 year old pioneer plasma just about ANYTHING looks superb
This tv can convert normal 2d tv to 3d which IS gimicky and not very good really and won't get used. But the 3d blu rays i've seen it play looked 'as good as it gets' - As did my plasma back in 2001.
The problem (for want of more appropriate words) with technology is, it continues to develop and largely improve which is progress. I think eventually you have to buy the best available for your budget, when you are ready to buy.
That link doesn't bring a tv up for me mate?

If you like the tv though and are happy go for it, just dont be drawn into the whole 3D tv's the best things out atm, because there not and deffo not worth the extra money for the "3D" all imo of course.
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Originally Posted by danneth
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If you are using active shutter glasses, the PQ is exactly the same, it just halves the refresh rate, but anything over 100hz is more than my brain would notice anyway
Ghosting, motion blur, crosstalk all things you can suffer from with 99% of the sets about
As far as I am aware you get none of those effects at all with the active shutter glasses I was specifically talking about in my post.

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Originally Posted by Chip
As far as I am aware you get none of those effects at all with the active shutter glasses I was specifically talking about in my post.

Dont know who told you that, but sadly you still do, the sets are getting better all the time but while they seem to cure one thing with the 3d tv's they end up with another problem :-(

But for most people its about saying they have a 3D tv anyway always a winner with the neighbours
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Well the one I tried (sony setup) I got NONE of those effects at all mate, and TBH I dont really see how you can given that you are only ever looking at one image at a time!

Its actually just a normal TV, you just only look at it one eye at a time on alternate refresh rates.
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I have 2 of these, not really bothered about the 3D. The TV itself is stunning.

I can count on one hand the number of times I have actually watched anything in 3D. 2D picture is really good, but the selling point was the look of the thing when it is off!!

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I'm a bit of a brand nazi and wouldnt buy a samsung TBH, would almost certainly be Sony if I bought anything, but that looks nice Nick.
Think its left over loyalty from when I used to work for them, lol
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Originally Posted by danneth
Dont know who told you that, but sadly you still do, the sets are getting better all the time but while they seem to cure one thing with the 3d tv's they end up with another problem :-(

But for most people its about saying they have a 3D tv anyway always a winner with the neighbours
I REALLY couldn't give a fuck about bragging rights mate.
My thinking for buying 3d is;

1. Number of films shown 3d in the cinema has increased loads - The kids, mrs and I like watching them

2. 3d Blu rays are readily available

3. I personally didn't, don't think its a fad product

4. Avatar 3d seeing is believing!

Probably a load more but running out of time here.

If you have a 'heads up' spill the beans before I do what I did in March which was get the 3gs just as the 4 was launched

Subtext - 3GS is still an awesome bit of kit imo.
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Originally Posted by Danster76
Oh dear. I am just about to buy this http://www.johnlewis.com/230973912/Product.aspx
Is it not a good idea?

I thought it looked superb...but compared to my 7 year old pioneer plasma just about ANYTHING looks superb
This tv can convert normal 2d tv to 3d which IS gimicky and not very good. But the 3d blu rays i've seen it play looked 'as good as it gets' - As did my plasma back in 2003.
The problem (for want of more appropriate words) with technology is, it continues to develop and largely improve which is progress. I think eventually you have to buy the best available for your budget, when you are ready to buy.
Im sure that model is not full LED backlit just edge? which for such a large screen would concern me about Picture Quality !

Like i said though if your happy with it then go for it, the other two models id be checking out though as well as that one would be the Sony KDL-55NX813 and the panasonic VT20
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Chip wouldn't blame you, I was told they were LED TV's when I bought them, when in fact they are only edge lit by LED or something. 'Apparently' the only full LED TV's are LG, but that is also probably bollocks from the sales person.
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3D is here to stay, of that there is no doubt in my mind.

in 10 years time, no one will be buying a non 3d capable tv
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Nick_D - I agree that looks nice. What model is it? Is it wall mountable?

Also, you must be wealthy having two. The 'Jones' must hate you! lol
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Chip wouldn't blame you, I was told they were LED TV's when I bought them, when in fact they are only edge lit by LED or something. 'Apparently' the only full LED TV's are LG, but that is also probably bollocks from the sales person.
Got only Sony TV's at the moment and always been really happy with them, in fact I think its probably over 10 years since Ive had anything other than a Sony TV now.
So I'll probably just stick with them for that reason.

Can honestly say I have never been unhappy with any Sony product.
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Originally Posted by Chip
3D is here to stay, of that there is no doubt in my mind.

in 10 years time, no one will be buying a non 3d capable tv

No they wont, we will be on to FULL 4320P or ULTRA HD by then
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Originally Posted by Danster76
Nick_D -you must be wealthy
He tends to like to hammer that point home one way or another with more or less every post he makes.
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I would like to see a ps3 in 3d before I spend any money as that is where I would use one the most.
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Originally Posted by danneth
No they wont, we will be on to FULL 4320P or ULTRA HD by then
Or something else.

BUT still will be 3D capable, that isnt going to go away.
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Originally Posted by Chip
Got only Sony TV's at the moment and always been really happy with them, in fact I think its probably over 10 years since Ive had anything other than a Sony TV now.
So I'll probably just stick with them for that reason.

Can honestly say I have never been unhappy with any Sony product.
difference been when you buy a sony now its samsung/sharp
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Originally Posted by Chip
Or something else.

BUT still will be 3D capable, that isnt going to go away.
Im not doubting you wont need it in the future ive already said this but no point just yet IMO
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Originally Posted by Chip
He tends to like to hammer that point home one way or another with more or less every post he makes.
I'm sober now.....Fuck off
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Originally Posted by danneth
difference been when you buy a sony now its samsung/sharp
Have sony been sold then?

I never heard anything about my Sony pension getting moved or anything like that!

Or are they just doing shared development like Pug/Toyota etc?
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Originally Posted by danneth
Im not doubting you wont need it in the future ive already said this but no point just yet IMO
So you are trying to make the worlds most obvious point that being an early adopter of ANY latest technology will mean that you buy a product that is a bad quality/cost ratio compared to the generation that comes after it?

Ok, I think we ALL know that anyway mate, but thanks for stating the obvious
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Originally Posted by Chip
Have sony been sold then?

I never heard anything about my Sony pension getting moved or anything like that!

Or are they just doing shared development like Pug/Toyota etc?
they just dont do there own panels, they use samsung/sharp
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Originally Posted by Chip
So you are trying to make the worlds most obvious point that being an early adopter of ANY latest technology will mean that you buy a product that is a bad quality/cost ratio compared to the generation that comes after it?

Ok, I think we ALL know that anyway mate, but thanks for stating the obvious
sorry when you put "just interested in what people have gone for and what they think of it so far?"

i thought you meant what do i think of it at the present stage not in the future
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Originally Posted by danneth
Im sure that model is not full LED backlit just edge? which for such a large screen would concern me about Picture Quality !

Like i said though if your happy with it then go for it, the other two models id be checking out though as well as that one would be the Sony KDL-55NX813 and the panasonic VT20
I will check these out. Thanks. Panasonic is the new Pioneer?


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Chip wouldn't blame you, I was told they were LED TV's when I bought them, when in fact they are only edge lit by LED or something. 'Apparently' the only full LED TV's are LG, but that is also probably bollocks from the sales person.

Exactly as I was told it in Curry's at the weekend. Have to say the LG TV i was shown was equally superb, almost frameless but, as I said to the rep, LG? Really! You can turn the illuminated logo off on the front sir
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Originally Posted by Chip
3D is here to stay, of that there is no doubt in my mind.

in 10 years time, no one will be buying a non 3d capable tv
I disagree.

I think it's a gimmick that will slowly peter out. The fact that they're being massively discounted already speaks volumes to me. It's just handy that the TVs can display good 2D images, so you've not really lost anything by buying one. The main issue, for me and many others, is the specs - I don't want to wear glasses as I watch telly, and what if you actually wear glasses, surely that's a bit awkward?

HD yes, 3D no (IMO obviously).

I also am not majorly impressed with 3D-ness, it's like there are several 2D layers overlayed to give a 3D effect. While it's quite fun at times, it's not for me, and it's definitey not a reason to spend lots of money on.

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Originally Posted by danneth
sorry when you put "just interested in what people have gone for and what they think of it so far?"

i thought you meant what do i think of it at the present stage not in the future

What I meant, was "what have people gone for, and what since buying it do they think of it"

Is that clear enough for you now?


Rather than "people who havent got one please spurt out random general statements"

I.e I was actually looking specifically for what people's experiences of owning the different types of TV were (specifically active shutter glasses versus the polarized options and the relative benefits of one versus the other)

Apologies if somehow it was because my post wasnt clear enough that you are filling the thread up with shite and generalisations, I will try and make it more idiotproof the next time I post a thread of this nature.
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Originally Posted by Chip
What I meant, was "what have people gone for, and what since buying it do they think of it"

Is that clear enough for you now?


Rather than "people who havent got one please spurt out random general statements"

I.e I was actually looking specifically for what people's experiences of owning the different types of TV were (specifically active shutter glasses versus the polarized options and the relative benefits of one versus the other)

Apologies if somehow it was because my post wasnt clear enough that you are filling the thread up with shite and generalisations, I will try and make it more idiotproof the next time I post a thread of this nature.
I work along side audio images, so i hope that clears it up for you i dont just see the one tv i see 100's with all kind of setup's ranging from 1k to 500k

theres a reason i haven't bought one but doesn't mean i cant give advice on them, i hope that clears it up for you
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I disagree.

I think it's a gimmick that will slowly peter out. The fact that they're being massively discounted already speaks volumes to me. It's just handy that the TVs can display good 2D images, so you've not really lost anything by buying one. The main issue, for me and many others, is the specs - I don't want to wear glasses as I watch telly, and what if you actually wear glasses, surely that's a bit awkward?

HD yes, 3D no (IMO obviously).

I also am not majorly impressed with 3D-ness, it's like there are several 2D layers overlayed to give a 3D effect. While it's quite fun at times, it's not for me, and it's definitey not a reason to spend lots of money on.
How can you spout all that about mac's and iphone 4's then come up with a reply like that
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Originally Posted by Danster76
I will check these out. Thanks. Panasonic is the new Pioneer?





Exactly as I was told it in Curry's at the weekend. Have to say the LG TV i was shown was equally superb, almost frameless but, as I said to the rep, LG? Really! You can turn the illuminated logo off on the front sir

Pansonic is now the pioneer tech yes which should tell you all you need to know? the LG sets are awesome


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