Weeksy

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Hi dudes,

I have dumped a 2 litre silver top mondy lump into my mk6 estate, and for a while smoked it around with a 4 branch and decat, a stainless system and a K+N panel filter, trying hard to resist any further mods...Until I had a chat with Ken Newman..

Now I have a nicely fettled CTM head fitted , along with a pair of ph3 Newman cams (270 degrees and 10.79mm lift) and their verniers.

Now I am looking to get it all set up, and am at a bit of a crossroads with regards what to do with the induction. It runs all the factory 2 litre stuff at present. I would prefer to stick with the std set up as long I am not losing 25 odd bhp, as it's my daily driver, and I have a Cossie for silly days. A unichip was therefore my first thought, with the option of running it without the MAF sensor as they can run off the TPS only. I believe that the injectors won't go above 165 bhp at their limit, but am not sure...Or do I go bike carbs andstand alone and run a nice big airbox to keep it all quiet?

What are you thoughts please fellas?

Any input would be much appreciated

Weeksy

dug112y

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Throttle bodies would be my first choice tbh. expensive though. emerald, mtech or retroford seem to do the best deal on tbs just done a bike carb one with my mate and it goes well and wasnt expensive. standard injection and ecu will be holding it back at that spec.
this was ecu used..cheap and includes loom!! zzr 600 carbs on bogg bros manifold.jetting was well different at topend to what everyone tells you.
http://www.specialist-components.com...lated_products

It's Czech Mate

Buy an st170 engine and bung that in

Cheaper than tuning the nads off the stock 2.0 and spending 3 or 4k to get 180bhp

dug112y

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st170 engine is a good choice as said, but to get the best from it ...throttle bodies and a cam control ecu are needed. i am in process of doing one at the moment actually.

pani_k

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I am running a similar setup to you mate albeit haven't got such a funky set of cams or a worked head. My spec:

-AEM Style Long Arm Induction
-ST170 4-2-1 Manifold
-Power Engineering Decat
-Piper full cat-back
-Stage 2 Comp Cams
-Kent Cam Verniers (4deg in. adv, 2deg exh. ret.)
-CFM UDPs
-Custom Mapped by James & Kenny @ MSD.

RR 145bhp, 127ft.lbs at TOTD prior to custom map. (1.8 Zetec blacktop)

Going TB conversion is expensive. I don't know how much room you have to play with where the bulkhead is but what a few of use have thought of doing over on FFOC is using bike carbs and a plenum chamber and retaining stock MAF. Otherwise, my honest opinion is unless you fancy an N/A screamer I'd go for a custom map from MSD or a Unichip and leave it alone. TBs cost quite a bit to do and if you start thinking about TBs and a raised rev limit your gong to start thinking about going ARP rod bolts at the very least and high comp.

Weeksy

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Dug112y - That's just it, throttles are so dear - twice what the car is worth! So the standard induction is not even worth considering then fella?

It's Czech mate- with regards the ST170 enhine, with the head and cams I am looking at that anyway, so why change what's in there when I have already shelled out on bits and pieces! I wish I had considered this prior to dropping the Mondeo lump in, but it was all so cheap and easy at the time!

dug112y

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yes but when the car is fooked you can stick that motor in something else .
throttle bodies dont lose much money either.

Weeksy

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Haha, you know it matey, this will be going in whatever Ford I have next!
I know what you mean fella, but late teens for TB's all set up is a bit heavy for this old bus.

I am thinking the bike carb idea could be a good middle ground for power vs cost eh?

Thanks for your input dude

Weeksy

Dlatch!

bike throttle bodies (under £100 on ebay) and a inlet should not cost a fortune add in a decent airbox to keep induction noise down, the biggest expense will prob be the ecu and mapping costs but if you slowly gather all the conversion bits as and when they come up cheap i think you will do ok.
with your spec its just the induction side that needs upgrading to make use of your other upgrades.

do it!! in the long run it will be much better than bike carbs too especially as a daily driver

Dlatch!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Suzuki-GSXR-75...#ht_500wt_1154

dug112y

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you can go bike throttle bodies then upgrade to jenveys next year if you want to, as you will already have the ecu and loom...you will be well on way to 200bhp.

dug112y

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power per pound.... the ecu in the link above i gave and a set of bike carbs with pump.....prob £500 max. there was a good ign only mbe ecu on ebay other day
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MBE-967-ECU-an...item3cb147f8fe

Fudgey

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not quite true!

i done my gsxr throttle body conversion on my old escort for about £200, and the air box was £100 of that lol

all depends how much can get the TB's for, and how much you can DIY.

management is the expensive part tho.

i used std cossie injectors.

and PS once you have TB's, you wont want a massive airbox, the sound is very addictive lol.

brief spec of mine was:

2.0l zetec, decked block
std head, kent cams
cossie injectors
st170 4-2-1 manifold and decat, stainless system
SECS S8 ecu

never finished mapping but guesstimated it was around 180bhp ish

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HTH lol

Fudgey

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ps, i hope you got a good gearbox, i done 2 ib5's in 2 weeks lol, hence me breaking the car as i was pissed off!

dug112y

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you did a throttle body conversion for 100 quid then!!!! must have been a very cheap secs s8.

Weeksy

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Now we are talking fellas..

My mates dad is an R1 fiend and say I can have the throttles off it for a mere 75 notes.

What's the scoop regarding the injectors, TPS etc, bike ones, or aftermarket injectors OE TPS.

With the above done, I can't see an issue getting them mounted, then it will just be the ECU to sort! I am liking this idea now dudes, thanks very much.

Sorry for all the questions! I bought and rebuilt a set of 45 DCOE's to go on this kiddy, but decided that's not daily driver material!

Throttles on the cheap, love it!

Asad

have a look at my thread :- http://www.fiestaturbo.com/forums/vi...c.php?t=103676

TBs can be done cheaply and you can use standard ford sensors etc.

If you go down the ST170 inlet route, I have a nice Stg2 head ported to match the ST170 inlet going for sale...

Asad

Weeksy

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Thanks Asad, and as impressive as that is, it's a little beyond my capabilities.

I take my hat off to you though dude, very impressive indeed!

I think I will look for the bike throttles (which ones are you using?) and sort the manifold out first, then move onto the electrics thereafter.

Thanks for posting matey

Weeksy

Asad

I no longer have the car or bits - this was a few years back.

I was running GSXR750 Throttle bodies, with a standard ST170 Inlet. The beauty of using the ST170 inlet is that it takes Ford injectors making it easier to use.

The TPS that came with the bike tbs works with MS, and I just used ford sensors for the rest.

Good luck with the build!

Fudgey

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not inc the management, paid £80 for that. although i was pay simon the rest of the £150 he wanted when he finished mapping it.

got the tbs off ebay for around £70 iirc, and made the rest either myself or got the bits machined by my dad, so cost was FOC

paid £100 for the airbox, £20 for injectors, £5 fuel rail...

so, all in, didnt cost a massive ammount