The british government are giving pakistan £10million to help with the floods
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Money goes a lot further when helping people who are already genuinely trying to help themselves.
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Its for a combination of reasons, and im not privvy to enough information to know all of them but I can say with a lot of confidence that "strengthening the special relationship we have with the US" will be one of them.
I personally suspect even if I had ALL the info, I would still not decide to send the troops there if it was up to me, but its impossible to second guess what you would do if you had all the info when you havent got it, so there may be more to it than I realise.
I personally suspect even if I had ALL the info, I would still not decide to send the troops there if it was up to me, but its impossible to second guess what you would do if you had all the info when you havent got it, so there may be more to it than I realise.
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Easy,
They will invest more money within our Financial Industry for starters. Probably a hell of a lot more than £10M, helping to protect city jobs.
British Companies will find it easier to get footholds in Pakistan.
For instance, say Oil reserves were found in Pakistan. BP would find it a lot easier than say Elf or Total of France to obtain a licence to extract the oil if France hasn't given aid. Obviously that is a simple example but these type of deals are common where Foreign Aid is involved.
There could also be a some conditions attatched to the aid, for example future arms deals between the 2 countries. Etc Etc
I could go on and on
They will invest more money within our Financial Industry for starters. Probably a hell of a lot more than £10M, helping to protect city jobs.
British Companies will find it easier to get footholds in Pakistan.
For instance, say Oil reserves were found in Pakistan. BP would find it a lot easier than say Elf or Total of France to obtain a licence to extract the oil if France hasn't given aid. Obviously that is a simple example but these type of deals are common where Foreign Aid is involved.
There could also be a some conditions attatched to the aid, for example future arms deals between the 2 countries. Etc Etc
I could go on and on
it's like comparing london to the shetland islands in terms of what they can offer as payback (and don't sa the north sea oil because that don't count)
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you obviously haven't been to pakistan mate, far from that pretty picture you paint as there is a HUGE difference between india and pakistan
it's like comparing london to the shetland islands in terms of what they can offer as payback (and don't sa the north sea oil because that don't count)
ok, so i've got about that far in the thread and now there are 80 more posts ot scan through
it's like comparing london to the shetland islands in terms of what they can offer as payback (and don't sa the north sea oil because that don't count)
ok, so i've got about that far in the thread and now there are 80 more posts ot scan through
And where did I compare India to Pakistan?
I don't think you understand. Or maybe it's more a case of you don't want to.
I'm taking about benefits of giving Foreign Aid to be had by the donating country. Every country can offer something. It can be simple things like pakistan government agreeing to buy JCB's instead of Caterpillars.
It goes a lot further than just handing over a cheque for £10M and letting them get on with it.
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Why are some people trying to make out that the £10 million is an insignificant figure. That would keep my local air ambulance flying for the next 7 or 8 years or to put it another way it would fund 10,000 callouts. Not every call out is necessarily to save a life but if just 1 in 10 missions saves a life that's 1,000 lives saved in Warwickshire & Northants alone.
Yes i sympathise with the people of Pakistan but to be honest i would rather my 20p (or more if necessary) to be spent on more important issues at home such as an air ambulance for every part of the British Isles even if it means 1 air ambulance being shared between 2 or 3 counties.
Yes i sympathise with the people of Pakistan but to be honest i would rather my 20p (or more if necessary) to be spent on more important issues at home such as an air ambulance for every part of the British Isles even if it means 1 air ambulance being shared between 2 or 3 counties.
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Staffy owner, it sounds a lot of money if you put it in a local context, but nationally its simply not, there are loads of charities that recieve funding and people close to each one will see that with the same rose tinted specs you are seeing your pet one, but the reality is that I bet NO british charity can save as many lives with 10 million as that will be able to save in pakistan right now where their need for aid is both urgent and critical
Must admit im impressed its only 100 quid a callout though, I would have expected the maintainance and crewing of a helicopter to be more expensive than that.
Must admit im impressed its only 100 quid a callout though, I would have expected the maintainance and crewing of a helicopter to be more expensive than that.
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Why are some people trying to make out that the £10 million is an insignificant figure. That would keep my local air ambulance flying for the next 7 or 8 years or to put it another way it would fund 10,000 callouts. Not every call out is necessarily to save a life but if just 1 in 10 missions saves a life that's 1,000 lives saved in Warwickshire & Northants alone.
Yes i sympathise with the people of Pakistan but to be honest i would rather my 20p (or more if necessary) to be spent on more important issues at home such as an air ambulance for every part of the British Isles even if it means 1 air ambulance being shared between 2 or 3 counties.
Yes i sympathise with the people of Pakistan but to be honest i would rather my 20p (or more if necessary) to be spent on more important issues at home such as an air ambulance for every part of the British Isles even if it means 1 air ambulance being shared between 2 or 3 counties.
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Staffy owner, it sounds a lot of money if you put it in a local context, but nationally its simply not, there are loads of charities that recieve funding and people close to each one will see that with the same rose tinted specs you are seeing your pet one, but the reality is that I bet NO british charity can save as many lives with 10 million as that will be able to save in pakistan right now where their need for aid is both urgent and critical
Must admit im impressed its only 100 quid a callout though, I would have expected the maintainance and crewing of a helicopter to be more expensive than that.
Must admit im impressed its only 100 quid a callout though, I would have expected the maintainance and crewing of a helicopter to be more expensive than that.
By the way it's £1000 a callout not £100 (£10,000,000 divided by 10,000 callouts = £1000/callout).
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I think these selfish attitudes are by people that have never experienced real poverty and therefore lack compassion.
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Alot of the people on here with a frankly disgusting attitude towards fellow human beings aren't just youngsters. I can't believe the attitude of some people. I find it hard to work out if they are ignorant or racist or both, either way, I find it depressing that's how people on here think.
I think these selfish attitudes are by people that have never experienced real poverty and therefore lack compassion.
I think these selfish attitudes are by people that have never experienced real poverty and therefore lack compassion.
You know nothing about anyone who's posted on this thread appart from there honest views. If you cant handle the fact that us "people who have never experienced real poverty" know what poverty is and have suffered it but along the way the harder we work to get us out of the shithole we lived in the more money is taken off us for such as giving away 10 million to another country, twat
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That's where your a complete mug. Poverty in the UK? Get fucking real. I've already mentioned what's available to everyone in the UK, free education, free health care, free housing, free benefit money, etc...
I went over to Brazil, it's a real eye opener. Kids under 10 sleeping in the street, spending the days collecting rubbish to recycle and begging for food. Nobody gives a fuck about them and they have nothing at all.
What's the poverty you suffered and worked your way out of? Not being able to get the Sports Package with Sky? Not being able to get the new Iphone? You poor lamb...
Maybe if your head wasn't so far up your arse you wouldn't be-grudge giving people who are in desperate need some help.
I went over to Brazil, it's a real eye opener. Kids under 10 sleeping in the street, spending the days collecting rubbish to recycle and begging for food. Nobody gives a fuck about them and they have nothing at all.
What's the poverty you suffered and worked your way out of? Not being able to get the Sports Package with Sky? Not being able to get the new Iphone? You poor lamb...
Maybe if your head wasn't so far up your arse you wouldn't be-grudge giving people who are in desperate need some help.
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I must be too stupid, got any examples? Something on a similar level to Brazilian street kids or a Pakistani family that's just lost their home and belongings, have no food and nowhere to stay, desperate for any assistance.
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i agree totaly with you why the fk should we pay?is anyone helping britain out of billions of pounds of debt........................i think not!!!
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What about the cancer sufferers and other British people with bad illnesses can't get treatment on NHS because of it being "too expensive" even tho they've contributed all their lives by paying taxes, only for the government to send fucking money to other countries FFS!!
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What pretty picture have I painted dojj?
And where did I compare India to Pakistan?
I don't think you understand. Or maybe it's more a case of you don't want to.
I'm taking about benefits of giving Foreign Aid to be had by the donating country. Every country can offer something. It can be simple things like pakistan government agreeing to buy JCB's instead of Caterpillars.
It goes a lot further than just handing over a cheque for £10M and letting them get on with it.
And where did I compare India to Pakistan?
I don't think you understand. Or maybe it's more a case of you don't want to.
I'm taking about benefits of giving Foreign Aid to be had by the donating country. Every country can offer something. It can be simple things like pakistan government agreeing to buy JCB's instead of Caterpillars.
It goes a lot further than just handing over a cheque for £10M and letting them get on with it.
So it's pretty easy to see why the British tax payer is slightly miffed that their money is being sent to Pakistan while the actual donated money is being begged for by the people who fly out to you in a helicopter in order to save your life should something happen to you.
If you want to help then that's fine, but this is enforced help which means you don't have a choice. Fine if you want to win the noble prize and all that but you've still got to ask yourself why it's going to save pennies to save lives in Pakistan when, at the same time, the other end of Pakistan is where Our Boys are trying to not get killed and dont have enough money because of budget restraints.
If it were up to me I would send over aid if possible in the shape of food and tents and volenteers, but not actual cash money for the army to secretly pocket.
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Alot of the people on here with a frankly disgusting attitude towards fellow human beings aren't just youngsters. I can't believe the attitude of some people. I find it hard to work out if they are ignorant or racist or both, either way, I find it depressing that's how people on here think.
I think these selfish attitudes are by people that have never experienced real poverty and therefore lack compassion.
I think these selfish attitudes are by people that have never experienced real poverty and therefore lack compassion.
I feel for these people and hope that these people get what they need , BUT , if there own country let these people live in poverty in the first place isnt it there country that we should be discusted at
we see poverty all over the world and yet they breed like rabbits and yet they cant feed thenself or even have clean water , they live in streets or wooden shelters etc , yet they still manage to carry on bringing more and more children into that awfull situation
Natural disasters happen all over the world to poor and wealthy parts yet it always seems to be us who are the first to show off by offering money to help , WHO WOULD HELP US , if the worst should happen
as said before on here we suffered massive floods and yes we didnt lose life but people still lost everything they own and now live in houses in flood areas that arnt worth shit and can get insurance against it , WHAT ARE OUR COVERNMENT DOING ABOUT THIS ? Fuck all other than telling everyone to go green , lol , like that is going to help
When people are losing there jobs left right and center you cant expect them not to be mad when they see our money being handed out
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As much as its a shame what happened i dont think its our place to help them because of the state of our on country! Its just us working tax payers that get hit with the bill makes me sick what i pay in taxes just now & its going up in january! But as usual this country are too soft they let anycunt in & pay for them now were paying for them over there! Its no wonder why brittish people are getting racist the way this goverment is helping asaylum seekers etc of course the brittish people feel hard done by.
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Zero fucking use at all it wont filter down to them, i cant believe some people dont realise that. Quite worrying really.
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While there may be people in the uk who fall within the official definition of poverty, there is no one here who is in poverty the way that they are in other countries, just things like free access to healthcare for example sets even people who live on the streets in this country WAY above people in poverty elsewhere in the world, and ultimately anyone in this country who is homeless is actually entitled to help, ok it doesnt always get to them easily, but it is available.
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Of course it's not the same and i'm not saying it is, but if there own country dont give a flying fuck about them what use do you think sending money to them will do?
Zero fucking use at all it wont filter down to them, i cant believe some people dont realise that. Quite worrying really.
Zero fucking use at all it wont filter down to them, i cant believe some people dont realise that. Quite worrying really.
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And as paul said they're popping kids out left right and centre. So i'd say it's partly self inflicted imo.
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10 million is fuck all and a drop in the ocean to what will be needed (no pun ment) to sort it out. But what have the pakistan goverment got that would bridge they monetary gap? They are a fairly wealthy country if we're honest, but i suspect this will be the start of paying out more
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As far as im aware yes it has worked to an extent, but such charities are massively under resourced and are working against 1000s of years of attitude that a big family is better, its not the sort of thing that will happen overnight or cheaply, it needs more resource and 100s of years before it stands any real chance.
This is the real world and real people, change takes time.
Better than spending it on widescreen tv's for furnishing the north of englands council estates with because people think poverty is only having a 36 inch screen not a 50 inch
This is the real world and real people, change takes time.
another waste of british tax payer's money?