RobL

what goes around comes around,they been flooding our country for years

Chip

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We already pump millions into the homeless every year in this country, I suspect it makes less difference to the average homeless person here who are largely suffering from a bigger problem (alcoholism, drug abuse, massive family problems, mental health etc) than just not having a home though, where as in the case of the people of pakistan right now, they are desperately fighting to rebuild their lives already and just need a little help.

Money goes a lot further when helping people who are already genuinely trying to help themselves.

james kiely

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mrjenrst

i agree tbh. but stan is another thread

mrjenrst

lager meet's keyboard moment

and not in a racist way

RobL

i cant take credit for it someone just texted it me
just thought id get that in before i get branded an evil neo nazi

~nomad~

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god there are some thickos on this forum, somehow it always surprises me.

Fiddy

Genuinely PMSL


That deserves to go in someones signature.

dojj

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you obviously haven't been to pakistan mate, far from that pretty picture you paint as there is a HUGE difference between india and pakistan

it's like comparing london to the shetland islands in terms of what they can offer as payback (and don't sa the north sea oil because that don't count)

ok, so i've got about that far in the thread and now there are 80 more posts ot scan through

paul0461

couldnt agree more.

Chip

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It was in fast ford, there was even a picture of him holding the barrel of it

Smiggy

What pretty picture have I painted dojj?

And where did I compare India to Pakistan?

I don't think you understand. Or maybe it's more a case of you don't want to.

I'm taking about benefits of giving Foreign Aid to be had by the donating country. Every country can offer something. It can be simple things like pakistan government agreeing to buy JCB's instead of Caterpillars.

It goes a lot further than just handing over a cheque for £10M and letting them get on with it.

STAFFY OWNER

Why are some people trying to make out that the £10 million is an insignificant figure. That would keep my local air ambulance flying for the next 7 or 8 years or to put it another way it would fund 10,000 callouts. Not every call out is necessarily to save a life but if just 1 in 10 missions saves a life that's 1,000 lives saved in Warwickshire & Northants alone.
Yes i sympathise with the people of Pakistan but to be honest i would rather my 20p (or more if necessary) to be spent on more important issues at home such as an air ambulance for every part of the British Isles even if it means 1 air ambulance being shared between 2 or 3 counties.

Chip

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Staffy owner, it sounds a lot of money if you put it in a local context, but nationally its simply not, there are loads of charities that recieve funding and people close to each one will see that with the same rose tinted specs you are seeing your pet one, but the reality is that I bet NO british charity can save as many lives with 10 million as that will be able to save in pakistan right now where their need for aid is both urgent and critical

Must admit im impressed its only 100 quid a callout though, I would have expected the maintainance and crewing of a helicopter to be more expensive than that.

mrjenrst

Dont be daft that make's sense!

danneth

what you thinking see how many you can bury?

STAFFY OWNER

The point is that it should not have to be charity funded when money is being sent out to other countries. If the money was kept in this country it could be funded by the government (taxpayers) just the same as land ambulances are. Also i'm not trying to portray it in a local context, i'm sure most people throughout the country would happily pay more tax if it funded something so beneficial.
By the way it's £1000 a callout not £100 (£10,000,000 divided by 10,000 callouts = £1000/callout).

Escy

Alot of the people on here with a frankly disgusting attitude towards fellow human beings aren't just youngsters. I can't believe the attitude of some people. I find it hard to work out if they are ignorant or racist or both, either way, I find it depressing that's how people on here think.

I think these selfish attitudes are by people that have never experienced real poverty and therefore lack compassion.

mrjenrst

lol

mrjenrst

and by that i take it you read the daily mail
You know nothing about anyone who's posted on this thread appart from there honest views. If you cant handle the fact that us "people who have never experienced real poverty" know what poverty is and have suffered it but along the way the harder we work to get us out of the shithole we lived in the more money is taken off us for such as giving away 10 million to another country, twat

Escy

That's where your a complete mug. Poverty in the UK? Get fucking real. I've already mentioned what's available to everyone in the UK, free education, free health care, free housing, free benefit money, etc...

I went over to Brazil, it's a real eye opener. Kids under 10 sleeping in the street, spending the days collecting rubbish to recycle and begging for food. Nobody gives a fuck about them and they have nothing at all.

What's the poverty you suffered and worked your way out of? Not being able to get the Sports Package with Sky? Not being able to get the new Iphone? You poor lamb...

Maybe if your head wasn't so far up your arse you wouldn't be-grudge giving people who are in desperate need some help.

mrjenrst

poverty in the uk does exist. FACT! If your too stupid to realise that, that's your failing.

Escy

I must be too stupid, got any examples? Something on a similar level to Brazilian street kids or a Pakistani family that's just lost their home and belongings, have no food and nowhere to stay, desperate for any assistance.

CRAIG HAYTER

i agree totaly with you why the fk should we pay?is anyone helping britain out of billions of pounds of debt........................i think not!!!

stephenbatey

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What about the cancer sufferers and other British people with bad illnesses can't get treatment on NHS because of it being "too expensive" even tho they've contributed all their lives by paying taxes, only for the government to send fucking money to other countries FFS!!

dojj

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Bottom line is that Pakistan can't really give us any benificial trade other than to take it's imigrants and drugs back. The reason why they get handouts like this is that there is no benfits system to help out so if you don't earn you don't eat and you don't get a house and a car and nice clothes to wear to a job interview and a big telly and get to payabout all dag long doing fuck all while your mug neighbour goes to work and earns less than you after it's been taxed and has to support their family by grafting.

So it's pretty easy to see why the British tax payer is slightly miffed that their money is being sent to Pakistan while the actual donated money is being begged for by the people who fly out to you in a helicopter in order to save your life should something happen to you.

If you want to help then that's fine, but this is enforced help which means you don't have a choice. Fine if you want to win the noble prize and all that but you've still got to ask yourself why it's going to save pennies to save lives in Pakistan when, at the same time, the other end of Pakistan is where Our Boys are trying to not get killed and dont have enough money because of budget restraints.

If it were up to me I would send over aid if possible in the shape of food and tents and volenteers, but not actual cash money for the army to secretly pocket.

Mr RS500

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People have an opinion mate , it may be not what you want to hear and not an opinion you share but to call people Racist for having an opinion just shows that you are the ignorant one here

I feel for these people and hope that these people get what they need , BUT , if there own country let these people live in poverty in the first place isnt it there country that we should be discusted at

we see poverty all over the world and yet they breed like rabbits and yet they cant feed thenself or even have clean water , they live in streets or wooden shelters etc , yet they still manage to carry on bringing more and more children into that awfull situation

Natural disasters happen all over the world to poor and wealthy parts yet it always seems to be us who are the first to show off by offering money to help , WHO WOULD HELP US , if the worst should happen

as said before on here we suffered massive floods and yes we didnt lose life but people still lost everything they own and now live in houses in flood areas that arnt worth shit and can get insurance against it , WHAT ARE OUR COVERNMENT DOING ABOUT THIS ? Fuck all other than telling everyone to go green , lol , like that is going to help

When people are losing there jobs left right and center you cant expect them not to be mad when they see our money being handed out

carlo

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As much as its a shame what happened i dont think its our place to help them because of the state of our on country! Its just us working tax payers that get hit with the bill makes me sick what i pay in taxes just now & its going up in january! But as usual this country are too soft they let anycunt in & pay for them now were paying for them over there! Its no wonder why brittish people are getting racist the way this goverment is helping asaylum seekers etc of course the brittish people feel hard done by.

mrjenrst

Of course it's not the same and i'm not saying it is, but if there own country dont give a flying fuck about them what use do you think sending money to them will do?
Zero fucking use at all it wont filter down to them, i cant believe some people dont realise that. Quite worrying really.

Chip

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While there may be people in the uk who fall within the official definition of poverty, there is no one here who is in poverty the way that they are in other countries, just things like free access to healthcare for example sets even people who live on the streets in this country WAY above people in poverty elsewhere in the world, and ultimately anyone in this country who is homeless is actually entitled to help, ok it doesnt always get to them easily, but it is available.

Chip

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Their own country is already trying to help them but is massively overstretched on resources.

Chip

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lol, I meant im surprised it only costs a grand, but well spotted on the typo

for me then

RichardPON

Funny, I noticed that too.....

Wonder why that is?!

mrjenrst

but why are they chip? Barring africa, other country's have quite a lot of money, why do they choose not to?
And as paul said they're popping kids out left right and centre. So i'd say it's partly self inflicted imo.

Chip

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This thread is about pakistan being given help to cope with a natural disaster not about africa.

Contraception is one of the things that british charities give to africa though while we're on the subject!

mrjenrst

i didnt say it was, ok another way. How can the pakistan goverment get there house in order?
10 million is fuck all and a drop in the ocean to what will be needed (no pun ment) to sort it out. But what have the pakistan goverment got that would bridge they monetary gap? They are a fairly wealthy country if we're honest, but i suspect this will be the start of paying out more

mrjenrst

not really worked though has it, another waste of british tax payer's money?

Chip

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As far as im aware yes it has worked to an extent, but such charities are massively under resourced and are working against 1000s of years of attitude that a big family is better, its not the sort of thing that will happen overnight or cheaply, it needs more resource and 100s of years before it stands any real chance.
This is the real world and real people, change takes time.

Better than spending it on widescreen tv's for furnishing the north of englands council estates with because people think poverty is only having a 36 inch screen not a 50 inch

KregRS

Turn the situation round, would they send aid to us if we needed it? Highly unlikely really, f*ck 'em, charity begins at home, not abroad!

Chip

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Yes, you are right on that one, I also doubt the 4 year old children who are dieing in the streets through lack of basic medicine would send me any money if I crashed my car, so fuck them, let the little cunts die in agony.