Need help-Thinking of putting the 3DR on Coilovers
20-01-2005, 05:06 PM
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Need help-Thinking of putting the 3DR on Coilovers
With all this talk of coilovers i am thinking of putting mine on them as the konis i have are getting a little old.
I know NOTHING about coilovers apart from that you can adjust the height
Now i will be wanting it roughly the same sort of height and dont want it MEGA hard, but firm is good
My car is a road car..THATS IT
What sort of money am i looking at and do i get EVERYTHING i need in the kit, ie do they come with springs etc?????
REMEMBER I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THEM SO PLEASE HELP
I know NOTHING about coilovers apart from that you can adjust the height
Now i will be wanting it roughly the same sort of height and dont want it MEGA hard, but firm is good
My car is a road car..THATS IT
What sort of money am i looking at and do i get EVERYTHING i need in the kit, ie do they come with springs etc?????
REMEMBER I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THEM SO PLEASE HELP
20-01-2005, 05:14 PM
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if its just a road car , stick with koni's (or spax rears so you can adjust on the car)
how often are you getting the car corner weighted??????exactly
don't waste your money dude!!!!
pugo
how often are you getting the car corner weighted??????exactly
don't waste your money dude!!!!
pugo
20-01-2005, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by markk
dont bother , if its a road car leave it a fookin road car ! you'll only moan constantly after you do it
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20-01-2005, 05:26 PM
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Steve et al, it is only horrible if you go with the spring rates that ALL the companies supply as standard, they don't seem to know how to spec up spring rates for the Cossies and get the front to rear match completely wrong .
Tiff,
If correctly specced, you wouldn't notice the difference in ride quality, apart from the occasional clunk from the nearside rear, as the spring rubs on the the inner body-work unless "relieved".
However, if your car is ONLY a road car, then personally I would either adjust the damping up further on the Konis (they ARE adjustable
), or if they were at there limit and you still found them too soft, replace them with new Konis, as dampers do get worn with age.
.Tiff,
If correctly specced, you wouldn't notice the difference in ride quality, apart from the occasional clunk from the nearside rear, as the spring rubs on the the inner body-work unless "relieved"
.However, if your car is ONLY a road car, then personally I would either adjust the damping up further on the Konis (they ARE adjustable
), or if they were at there limit and you still found them too soft, replace them with new Konis, as dampers do get worn with age.
20-01-2005, 05:59 PM
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i got em on mine and dont find them that bad, handling has improved alot
and ive lowered it and it bottoms out alot less than with koni, ive got em set
on soft aswell
only bad point is they do rattle around town and are a little harder
and ive lowered it and it bottoms out alot less than with koni, ive got em set
on soft aswell
only bad point is they do rattle around town and are a little harder
20-01-2005, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Steve et al, it is only horrible if you go with the spring rates that ALL the companies supply as standard, they don't seem to know how to spec up spring rates for the Cossies and get the front to rear match completely wrong .
Tiff,
If correctly specced, you wouldn't notice the difference in ride quality, apart from the occasional clunk from the nearside rear, as the spring rubs on the the inner body-work unless "relieved".
However, if your car is ONLY a road car, then personally I would either adjust the damping up further on the Konis (they ARE adjustable ), or if they were at there limit and you still found them too soft, replace them with new Konis, as dampers do get worn with age.
.Tiff,
If correctly specced, you wouldn't notice the difference in ride quality, apart from the occasional clunk from the nearside rear, as the spring rubs on the the inner body-work unless "relieved"
.However, if your car is ONLY a road car, then personally I would either adjust the damping up further on the Konis (they ARE adjustable
), or if they were at there limit and you still found them too soft, replace them with new Konis, as dampers do get worn with age.i'm asking because i have AVO's with the AVO supplied springs..
20-01-2005, 06:18 PM
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Tiff, im putting my esc cos on coilovers this weekend. Exactly the same reason, my koni's are tired
its so i can adj the height to how i want it and Chris is sorting me out with softer spring rates so i believe
its so i can adj the height to how i want it and Chris is sorting me out with softer spring rates so i believe
20-01-2005, 06:31 PM
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Spring rates are impossible to spec up and say what is ultimatly the best for all.
What and how I like a car to drive may be completely different to how you would want it set up.
The only way you can get what YOU want is by trial and error and spending the money. Springs are not that dear after the initial purchace of the coilover. If you have Bilstein, AVO and I think GAZ too then they all take the same size ID spring.
Spring rates are impossible to spec up and say what is ultimatly the best for all.
What and how I like a car to drive may be completely different to how you would want it set up.
The only way you can get what YOU want is by trial and error and spending the money. Springs are not that dear after the initial purchace of the coilover. If you have Bilstein, AVO and I think GAZ too then they all take the same size ID spring.
20-01-2005, 06:31 PM
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Well, now im stuck
What to do
I do fancy a set of coilovers but i dont want it to turn the car shite
My Konis are at least 3 years old and are saggy as shit IMHO
Dave
Which ones are you going for????
What to do
I do fancy a set of coilovers but i dont want it to turn the car shite
My Konis are at least 3 years old and are saggy as shit IMHO
Dave
Which ones are you going for????
20-01-2005, 06:35 PM
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if you want comfort buy a range rover
fit a set of new coilovers with some properly matched springs
koni's are shit, mine are going in the bin
avo/gaz are cheap budget coilovers (only been in one car with em on - angus's saph and it felt fine to me)
billies are the daddies (again only one car experience but you aint seen handling like claws car before i'll promise you that)
buy whatever your road car budget can withstand
fit a set of new coilovers with some properly matched springs
koni's are shit, mine are going in the bin
avo/gaz are cheap budget coilovers (only been in one car with em on - angus's saph and it felt fine to me)
billies are the daddies (again only one car experience but you aint seen handling like claws car before i'll promise you that)
buy whatever your road car budget can withstand
20-01-2005, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Azrael,
For you to be 100% happy you need 2 different set-ups (or at least 2 different sets of springs).
For you to be 100% happy you need 2 different set-ups (or at least 2 different sets of springs).
I was perfectly happy with Bilstein upside-downs on special edition STI I drove last weekend so I think I can stand one setup. You know I was thought that good driver was somebody who could use the car availible to the end of it's possibilities. So I can drive perfectly stock Fiat Seicento and be very quick in it (probably useing more of it's capabilities than of my Cossie) and I can drive some quicker beasts.
Anyway my point is that to be perfectly happy each car would have to be road going WRC and that is not affordable so I just wonder what is best I can buy. And that is mostly because I love my Cossie, with any other car I would just frow something in and give it big right foot
I hope I am clear enough although I have to many thoughts at the same time (that philosopher education :-( )
One more thing - wonder if anybody can spec right springs for me :-/ And setup it :-/ Going to England to do it is worth an engine rebuild or so :-( Maybe I just pay some top driver to do it or something...
20-01-2005, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
Rob
Spring rates are impossible to spec up and say what is ultimatly the best for all.
What and how I like a car to drive may be completely different to how you would want it set up.
The only way you can get what YOU want is by trial and error and spending the money. Springs are not that dear after the initial purchace of the coilover. If you have Bilstein, AVO and I think GAZ too then they all take the same size ID spring.
Spring rates are impossible to spec up and say what is ultimatly the best for all.
What and how I like a car to drive may be completely different to how you would want it set up.
The only way you can get what YOU want is by trial and error and spending the money. Springs are not that dear after the initial purchace of the coilover. If you have Bilstein, AVO and I think GAZ too then they all take the same size ID spring.
what is the springrate on AVO "standard" coilover springs? and what other rates can/should be used?
tried to check on www.avouk.com but i probably got even more clueless after that....
and when i looked at the right dampers and springs i found out that they "use Grade A race spec 2.25 lb Coil springs"... and you know what... still clueless....
20-01-2005, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NUTS RuS
only YOU can set it up how you like it.
Did you drive the STI on both road surfaces ? Smooth and bumpy ?? If so find out what the set up is and then start basing your new coilover set up around that
Don't think I could use STi as a base - completly different car, bigger, heavier, different dimensions, four struts sodifferent setup, completly different drivetrain hmm...
20-01-2005, 09:07 PM
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Tiff,
In all honesty, I found my AVO coilovers quite comfortable on the road - certainly more comfortable than a set of clapped out Konis (eh Matt? ).
On the softest setting, they are not too bad at all.
Not sure why all this talk of spring rates Mike? You recommended 350 and 185s to me, and AVo supply near as dammit those rates as standard.
Coilovers also aren't too uncomfortable when you're bounding across the gravel, so Dave, you should be fine
In all honesty, I found my AVO coilovers quite comfortable on the road - certainly more comfortable than a set of clapped out Konis (eh Matt?
).On the softest setting, they are not too bad at all.
Not sure why all this talk of spring rates Mike? You recommended 350 and 185s to me, and AVo supply near as dammit those rates as standard.
Coilovers also aren't too uncomfortable when you're bounding across the gravel, so Dave, you should be fine
20-01-2005, 09:11 PM
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Rich
Thats the thing, my Konis are about fooked to be honest so i thought i would try some coilovers
But there is mixed views at the moment
Who runs coilovers in there 3DR, as i could do with a ride out to see if they are that bad. I dont want fuck off mega hard bastards, just something that is firm
Thats the thing, my Konis are about fooked to be honest so i thought i would try some coilovers
But there is mixed views at the moment
Who runs coilovers in there 3DR, as i could do with a ride out to see if they are that bad. I dont want fuck off mega hard bastards, just something that is firm
20-01-2005, 09:26 PM
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I run AVO evo's on the road and they are surprisingly comfortable.. even on norwegian roads...
but then again, anything is comfy when i drive like a girly man...
but then again, anything is comfy when i drive like a girly man...
20-01-2005, 09:31 PM
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i put coil overs on my saff,because the konis where fcu*ed. mine dont rattle,and the ride isnt uncomfortable.the mrs hasnt even noticed the difference i have set the damping rate at half way,it seems ok to me 
.i will be at the central meet sunday if you wanna take it for a run 
i have set the damping rate at half way,it seems ok to me .i will be at the central meet sunday if you wanna take it for a run
20-01-2005, 09:35 PM
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Tiff ask Sean Bicknell. When ihe first started mossing the Escort im sure he had some AVO coilovers on and said for a budget setup he was quite happy..i may be wrong so ask him dude
20-01-2005, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch Man
Why put coilovers on a road car?
Thats the thing, Why??????????????????????
You can adjust them more
My konis are fooked and it is a change
20-01-2005, 11:41 PM
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Gaz coilovers are the business! My pal fiited a set today and the range of adjustment goes from softer than std to trackday rock solid. He set them to halfway on all settings and my pal said it is the best handling car he has ever driven . I was chasing him in my Escort and usually I can waste him on the back lanes we hoon around on even though my car is just a 305 conversion and his is a 330 but he left me for dead tonight and the roads were wet/damp. The complete setup cost £500.
20-01-2005, 11:48 PM
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I had AVO coilovers on my 3dr (set on softest), the ride was totally fine IMO, no harsher than the Konis but a lot less bodyroll.
Best thing was could get the ride height exactly how i wanted it (on the deck )
Best thing was could get the ride height exactly how i wanted it (on the deck
)