Fordmad!

My friend uses red diesel, will it cause any damage to his van??

Mark 3D

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No... but it will cause damage to his wallet if the police catch him!!!

ZetecNology

No its only a die in the dielsel, but it stains the tank/filters etc. Will get fucked if caught. Only allowed on site for machinery/generators as its untaxed fuel

gingeRS

the dye stays in the system for ages, and the dip tests used by the police are very sensitive to it....so even if he started using taxed diesel and gets dipped he may still get prosecuted.

not worth it.

Mike C

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Removing the dye from red diesel is easy enough though.

I've never done it, but living out in the sticks I know plenty of people who have!

R4N SS

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yes but does it actually remove it or just disguise it? Im sure the police know this and have means of testing for it.

I would be using veg oil instead and perfectly legal to use too

Mike C

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It's just a dye, and will remove it.

The red dye is only added as a way of identifying it. Like stamping a sheep. Take that away and there's no way of telling. Well, I guess it could be lab tested for minute traces of leftover dye, but you're certainly not going to tell from dipping the tank, which is all the Police will do unless they suspect some kind of large scale organisation, not pulling over Farmer Giles in Land Rover.....

Eagle

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along with the chemical they add ... so even when you get rid of the fuel through normal use it will stay in the fuel tank and lines ....

turbochild

What a thread

NoRubNoDub

Ahem copper strips conected to a 12v battery

R4N SS

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use veg oil - surely its cheaper and more legit to use.

You can even get it free if you know a chippy or kebab van

Chip

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UV fades it out as well, but takes far too long to be practical.

Near me several of the filling stations on the main roads sell it, you just arent allowed to put it straight into your car, you have to pump it into a container.

Not as much cheaper as it used to be though, its about 80P a litre or so at the moment, when it was 20p a litre instead of 60p a litre it was worth the risk, but not just to save 1/3rd IMHO

If they catch you, they PROPER fuck you.

Chip

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New veg oil is dearer than red diesel most places, its properly gone up in value, and its not a direct replacement anyway, doesnt like the cold, kills pumps etc.

Used veg oil if you have a good source makes a lot of sense though.

R4N SS

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Chip i never said new veg oil - i use used veg oil and get it much cheaper than most fuels.

How much is red per litre?

I get bio fuel which is made from used veg oil - obviously it has gone thru a few process stages to get it to the quality its at. Just done 485 miles to a tank which cost me 34 quid

Chip

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80p a litre near me for red last time I noticed.

R4N SS

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i pay WAY less than for what i use - approx 65p a litre

Chip

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As I said, makes sense if you can do it with cheaply sourced secondhand oil.

cozmeister

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Yes Tommy...proper fucked.

billybigspuds

my mate buys it in 25lt containers for a tenner

Dangerous Malcolm..

I know a fella who used to run his Pug 309 diseasel on heating oil.

Icurus

Plenty of info on the net about running veg oil, here's one for starters;

http://www.dieselveg.com/

Cragrat

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Can you run the veg oil or chippy oil in newer diesels,like say an 07 transit without problems?

morcheen

i use old veg oil about 30/70 diesel works fine in the old esc van.just need to change the filter a bit more often

St3V3_C

I have about 30ltr of cooking oil that I was going to put in the truck, but I've sold it. Anybody want it?

steves24V's

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So did i lol and it was a 309

CosworthGuy

central heating oil has no lubrication though and you lose power. I fucked the turbo on my old chavalier using heating oil. 8 quid for 25 litres though

steves24V's

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My turbo is lubricated by the engine oil, so shouldnt fuck my turbo, but i wouldnt use it incase it fucked my injection pump.

studabear

No if you fuck the pump up you will prob be into a 4 figure repair bill so not worth the chance.

Its worth a do in an old mechanically injected diesel

THEDMAN

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You want to mix your tax free (red) diesel with tax free (green) from ROI........

R4N SS

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if its the newer fly-by-wire pumps which it more than likely is you wont be able to run veg oil straight out the bottle as it will ruin the pump. On the older cars with mechanical pumps its fine.

you can however use bio fuel - which is processed used veg oil. A guy i know local does it and he heats up to a certain temp and adds all sorts of stuff - proper mad scientist

Been running it for a while in my astra which is fly-by-wire and no issues - just make sure you keep a few spare fuel filters and change them regularly. And also use regular fuel from time to time to keep things lubricated.

best of luck

botters

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do a google search for diesel bob he has a section on his site all about veg oil and what vehicles can be used to run it safely he will also put uprated seals in some pumps specifically to run on it
i would stay away from biodiesel tho seen many a fucked car at work because of it it creates a fungus in it that gets all over the fuel system try cutting a fuel filter open on summat thats been run on bio they have all sorts of fungi in them lol!

R4N SS

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botters i know what you mean about the gunk but you filter it enough and change your filters regularly its fine - mine has been running it for 2 years

andy888

being a farmer i remember red costing us 5p a litre to buy in! its about 65 now. was up near 80 though. worth running it if youve an old Ł150 deisel hack cos they can take the car off you!

not worth it in anything with any value now imo as a guy i knew got caught in his shogun on red and it cost him Ł800 to get it back on the road. was put in a pound and the police book it into a garage to get it drained and system flush etc

vaughant

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Heating oils fine on older diesels,just shove a bit of engine oil in the mix before you put it in.......to use privatley of course!!

focusjohn

Red diesel + kitty litter leaves you with the most toxic kitty litter ever. Not really worth it any more though it would have been 5 years ago.

smartrs

my old astra van ran fine on a 70/30mix 70% vegi oil no treat ment new stuff from cash and carry was cheaper at the time . apprantly rape seed oil is the best

SS1

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I must rip that QUOTE for a text reply on my phone

Mike C

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That's probably because it IS red diesel. The heating oil we have here at work is.....

gingeRS

being a diesel engineer i know a bit about this, you dont want to run anything newer than say 03-04 on veg oil. Common rail high pressure systems do not react well to biodiesel (and this is far superior to veg oil).

red diesel will not have any adverse effects on your engine (as it is made to EN590), it is totally illegal to use it on road though, and you will get screwed if caught.

diluting red does not make it any less traceable to the police, and the dyes they use nowadays are very diffucult to remove. red diesel is sold to business for off road use at around 55p a litre so can seem a good options, but the fine you get will far outweigh any saving you may have made.

heating oil can be used in cars (assuming its not dyed (in 95% of cases it is)) but like stated before it has no lubricity additives, so will quickly f*ck your diesel pump when used for extended periods of time.

CoupeUK

Mate of mine runs his 54 330d Msport on red