Hi,

Firstly sorry if this is in wrong section (mods feel free to move to right section).

Now i lookin at gettin my car remaped and wondered if anyone has had any dealings with turbosystems in Newcastle-under-lyme? Iv spoken to MSD who say they are the same maps as they offer (except from the custom map) but would prefer to use company within stoke area just in case i have any problems.

Can you let me know of any experiences or any other companies in stoke area? Or would i be best spending the extra and goin for the custom map from MSD.

Oh and my car is a 1.8 2001 focus with exhaust/induction/cams etc (i know its an n/a car, so would appreciate comments if its worthwhile to improve driveability and power increase)

Thanks

Matt

 

Both are excellent choices and 99% of people on here would recomend them

Evolution chips is a brand name of MSD Blackpool who use many distributors such a Turbosystems to sell their products so they will be the same no matter where you go.


As for the car... I am a turbo nut so my answer is one you wont want to hear..LOL
I would never recomend tuning a N/A car as the gains are so tiny unless you spend a fortune on engine work.

 

I wouldnt bother with a remap on the N/A car either, ford dont get the map wrong enough for it to be improved upon significantly with such a mild change of spec IMHO

Maybe you can put it on the rollers before and after and get agreement that unless you see X amount of gains, you get your money back, that way you have nothing to lose?
Although I have no idea if your local evo chips dealer would go for that of course, but I dont see why the wouldnt if they are confident in their product

 

Cheers for the reply m8. Yea i was expectin similar replies lol. Luckily the mods i have done i have got for a gud price. I was just wanting check see if the gains wud be worthwhile if the fuelling and timings were set up to wrk with the exhaust/cams/induction mods?

Cheers for reply as well m8. Well turbosystems said that they would do the map, let me take it for a test drive and only pay if i was happy so that aint bad. They did quote 10/15bhp increase which i think its bit high?? Im tryin find out if they use RR to set it up or if its done on the road.

So shud the std ecu be about rite with fuellin and timings etc? Its one of those things where i cant stop doin stuff to my car lol. Im not expectin major gains, but want it worthwhile and to sort out my power curve and dont want it all to end. I saw a RR print out of a dreamscience unit, where the power was the same until 4/4.5k. Is that normal for an N/a car?

Sorry for all quests, im a noob with stuff like this. Just want to make best of car as plannin on keepin for at least another year or til im 25 then get RS or ST

Matt

 

Well if you get the chance to drive it and see if you prefer it, it sounds like a no lose situation to me mate.
I dont know what the specific power gains will be as ive never mapped that specific car.

With regards to where you will see gains, given the change in cams, its more likely you will see gains up top if anywhere but basically its a case of things can only be improved in areas where ford havent got them right in the first place.
If you always run your car on 98 RON, then the chances of seeing gains are higher. (as ford will have had to allow for 95 with their timing)

 

Yea thats wot i was thinkin but it just feels bad if im not happy, will feel like i wasted their time.

Yea thats the time, the cams have stopped the car dyin off now which is gud, but you have to drive it hard to get the power. If it sorted the power curve out as its a bit up and down and it drives better i will be happy.

Have bin thinkin about usin different fuel as on the FOC they rave about it bin better for the car and they have had increase in miles they get from tank. Im not ready for the remap yet, but will start out with 98 ROn fuel to see if its affordable first then i suppose cud get car set up to that type of fuel

Matt

 

Surely if its not any better, then its they who will have wasted your time not the other way around?

 

I think you need a custom remap to get the best out of this as an off the shelf uprated map will probably just be a compromise.

Seems alot of effort for 10 ish bhp !

 

Opposite Turbosystems is a Rolling Road, it is run by a different company.

Steve

 

It has an AFM doesnt it? so the fuelling should be more or less perfect on a good off the shelf chip as its so simple to extrapolate beyond the standard components when mapping on an AFM.
The timing should also be extrapolated although is less obvious, but I doubt that engine is massively timing sensitive in the first place TBH

So I would think the difference between a good off the shelf chip and a custom map is only going to be a couple of bhp

 

A couple of bhp is a big % in the total power increase

 

Well if he gains 7bhp instead of 5bhp, then yes that 2bhp is a big percentage of the total increase, but it doesnt stop it being such a tiny percentage of overall power that you wont notice it, so not worth spending much extra on for a road car.

 

Well im gona check that with them. Iv spoke to MSD who say they offer same maps as them except the live mapping option. It prob is a bit of effort but i thought 10bhp on an n/a sounded gud?

Sound will check out costs. Mite use mikeanics though as he RR'd my car before, that way can get true figures.

So to sound a noob, wots an AFM? I think there is big price difference as well for the maps turbosystems offer and the live mapping option?

On another note anyone from stoke way goin to rotherham ford meet on sun?

 

AFM = Air Flow Meter

As opposed to being mapped against TPS or MAP

AFM mapped cars are generally very good at accepting changes made to the mechanical components as they so accurately see the extra flow

 

Does a MK1 1.8 focus have an AFM? Is that similar to the mass airflow sensor or different?

 

There the same thing

 

Depending on what cams you have fitted you can get ome extremely good gains from these engines with a custom map as the overlap on quite wild cams totally ruins the airflow meters readings at high RPM and makes them go very rich. A good indication you have such an overlap is the idle going very lumpy.

AFM's are not good at autocorrecting for overlap due to various wierd airflow reversal pulses that they pick up on and incorrectly account for.

 

I guess he'll need to post the spec of the cams he has up, I was working on the (probably safe TBH) assumption that they wont be very wild due to the lack of any bottom end changes or headwork etc.

 

I might be able to offer some better advice than some of that offered already mate as I've had my focus mapped by James and Kenny about a couple of months ago. Had a custom map done by them to suit my spec as follows:

-AEM style long arm induction
-ST170 4-2-1
-Power Engineering Decat
-Piper Full Cat Back
-Stage 2 (281) Comp Cams
-Kent Cam Verniers (4deg in adv, 2deg exh ret)
-CFM UDPs

Had a custom map done by James and Kenny to suit my spec. Haven't had it on a rolling road though to see the exact gains but all I will say is as soon as I drove it out of the little industrial estate that MSD is in, the throttle response was immediately different. James mentioned rich top end so the fuelling up there was trimmed and also apparently my ignition map was altered quite a bit but not so much fuelling. James would be good to speak to as he should be able to remember what he did on my car and any changes he and Kenny made. On a different note I went to Santa Pod 2 weeks ago and cut my 1/4 time from 16.5 to 16.1 and pulling 5mph more on terminal speed from 83 to 88mph. Top end definitely a difference. Anything from 4k rpm upwards and its party time! I drove all the way down from LONDON to have my car mapped by them so put it that way.

Forgot to mention my car is a 2002 1.8 Zetec as well. Cam spec:

281 Duration
0.381" lift
Duration at 0.050" lift: 228

Both inlet and exhaust cams are same spec usually exhaust cam is slightly milder but not in this case.

 

Cheers for the replies everyone.

The cams are the Kent sports cams. Not sure wot you need to know but they arent wild ones. On their website, its says (if that helps):

Cam Lift(mm): 9.95 E 9.25
Valve Lift(mm): 9.70 E 9.00
Duration: 292 Deg E 278
DegTiming: 36/76 69/29
Full Lift: 110 Deg E 110 Deg

Im not sure wot the settings are on the pulleys. I did have to have them adjusted though as it had lumpy idle and kept cutting out, so i had them adjusted and not set up as wild.

My other mods are:
ST170 4-2-1 manifold and ST170 cat (poss decat soon if worth it??)
ITG Enclosed Induction Kit
Focus Central 65mm TB
Kent Sports cams
OBX Verniers

Hope this helps,

Matt