Agreed there chap. Incredible isnt it how a reputation like that spreads, i dont know anyone who hasn't had a run-in with him, or knows someone who has.
My mate Matt's dad put an official complaint in years ago about him for harrasment, always pulling him, checking the car over and that but never actually having any reason to take action, since that he left his dad alone pretty much. Im just waiting for Matt to get pulled and tell him who his dad is lol

 

Pc payne (cock) get ya self to mot station and tell them you got stopped because it was blowing they will stamp your ticket happy days

 

Right again mate! Ill get the ticket stamped, thats not a prob, just a bloody ball-ache!!
Besides that, if i leave it on, it'll be just my luck that he will pull me again and stick a summons and a 60 quidder or what ever the fine is on me.

 

he's well hated around here kid,he got a shoeing in glossop back in 2001ish when he went after a gang of lads who led him into a supermarket carpark and jumped the cunt.

 

God i Hate Police.

Didnt used to mind them but constantly screwing the motorist, then when you need them they are nowhere to be seen or heard.

Priorities all wrong these days!

 

Yeh?! Think he lives in Glossop doesn't he? Or used to, summat like that. Hardly suprising with the amount of peoples backs he gets up!

 

so its illegal to change the exhaust end off? :S

 

Damn right prioritys are wrong, if i was ringing police saying my car is being nicked and i can see it driving off, they wouldn't give a toss. All about easy targets, or at least thats how it seems.

 

I assume so yes, thinking back to what he was saying last night. I don't know if you know muh about motorbikes, but all bike exhausts have to be stamped up with a BSAU number i think it is, otherwise marked 'not for road use'. From what he was saying, cars will be going the same way, just like they clamped down on numberplates, meaning only licensed people can make them.
Unless that was just the scare tactic, who knows, but i wouldn't be bloody suprised.

 

what about anti lag with a standard but de-catted exhaust?

 

M8 get the ticket stamped and then leave it on?

He took no DB levels and i bet he never even had a good look at the exhaust,
you could change it and get pulled again and he could say you ain't changed it.
Unless he took details of EXACTLY what you had/have fitted.

And to the people who are saying changing the exhaust is illegal then are we saying that the only LEGAL exhaust would have to come direct from the original manufacturer???
Because getting a pattern part fitted would constitute a change of exhaust then i suppose?

Only issue in this country with changing exhausts really is if its too loud

 

Agree, I was in an evo 8 with with a full stainless and other mods running around 350bhp going round donington, got flagged and had to pull into in the pits, it was breaking the db limit as it was passing the entrance of the pits at full chat in 2nd gear, the steward said it was recording 102db. So I find it hard to believe a civic on tickover can be 28db louder than an evo at 7k revs in 2nd gear with a stainless system.

 

IF its a full ashley system thats fitted as it was made by ashley they can't do shit.
It is only illegal to modify a manufactured exhaust to make it louder !!!!!!!
I.e to chop a box out ect.
I had this 12 yrs ago on my xr2 zetec turbo. i got round it by saying the exhaust was not modified as it was made from scratch.

 

Read the text that was posted up - you CAN put on an aftermarket exhaust but it CAN'T be louder than the original factory exhaust.
it's nothing to do with holes, or blown gaskets, or removing boxes or anything else.

All modern cars have a noise reading while stationery, drive by, and at 4500 rpm. These figures appear on the V5 just like the CO2 reading and your actual reading can be checked against the database. I don't know when this came in but it's on the V5 for our new Focus, but not on the 02 fiesta or 04 Focus.
My Sierra got tested as part of the SVA but the figures aren't on my V5 either. I think the induction roar at the front was louder than the exhaust at the rear!

 

Regulation 54 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986
provides for the fitting and use of an exhaust system , including a silencer , to all vehicles propelled by an internal combustion engine.

(2) Every exhaust system and silencer shall be maintained in good and efficient working order and shall not after the date of manufacture be altered so as to increase the noise made by the escape of exhaust gases.
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this just means that from the date of manufacture of the EXHAUST things like the baffles can't be removed etc

 

It just says not to be altered after the date of manufacture it don't say of car that could mean manufacture of exhaust system so as long as you don't mod it ie box cut out wat can they say. Grey area but you might be able to turn it as it's not definitive

 

its all down to interpretation

they use the term "escape of exhaust gasses" that could be interpreted as "leaking" and causing excesive noise , it also does not say the sytem can not be replaced with another one that is louder , just that the original one can not be modified


Regulation 54 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986
provides for the fitting and use of an exhaust system , including a silencer , to all vehicles propelled by an internal combustion engine.

(2) Every exhaust system and silencer shall be maintained in good and efficient working order and shall not after the date of manufacture be altered so as to increase the noise made by the escape of exhaust gases.

 

Noise is measured in decibels and the scale often employed dB(A) is weighted to the range perceived by the human ear.

The decibel system is frequently misinterpreted as it is based on a logarithmic scale.

This means that a sound level of 100dB(A) contains twice the energy of a sound level of 97dB(A).

A rise of 10 dB in sound level corresponds roughly to a doubling of subjective loudness. Therefore a sound of 80 dB is twice as loud as a sound of 70 dB which is twice as loud as a sound of 60 dB. Correspondingly, the 80 dB sound is 4 times louder than the 60 dB sound.

Distance plays an important role in the perceived sound level. Sound levels decrease by approximately 6 dB every time the distance from the source is doubled.

Interesting....

Ginge

 

Nice to know its not only me who hates pc cock sucking wanker payne then!

Had a 'run in' with him two years ago, left me at the side of the road with no car (gone on the two truck), and over Ł500 lighter after it had been to court. He lied in his statements and also gave me a right verbal over the phone (had it on speaker phone at the time and was heard by my parents!).

Time he had another kicking by the sounds of it!

Gav.

 

spot on mate i can pass a car for a MOT you can leave the MOT station get pulled over and get niked and get some bonus points!

 

Its passionford mate, wouldn't sound half as good if he said the truth!

 

Found this, and D&G Police state that an offence is committed if the exhaust is 10db louder than a standard exhaust as fitted at the time of manufacture OF THE CAR.

There's no mention of it only being an offence if the exhaust is modded after manufacture.

http://www.dumfriesandgalloway.polic.../2009/0308.pdf

 

And this from VOSA confirming it is illegal to fit an exhaust that is louder than the one fitted at Type Approval for the model of car:
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/inf...-and-noise.asp

 

There is a clause somewhere in pedanticlegalland that states any deviation from the manufacturers standard exhaust, is illegal.

Whilst this has always been around, obviously it would take the saddest wanker of a cop, to actually pursue such a matter. And it seems this type of arsehole officer, is becoming more common.

Which is nice to know. It must mean crime in those areas has gotten so low, that they are having to resort to attacking motorists for non-crimes.

And admitting the exhaust wasnt standard to the cop, is an admission of guilt. As some would say, never admit anything to a cop, no matter how innocent you believe you are. They will ALWAYS try and twist or manipulate it to use it against you.

Of course, even retro-fit exhausts arent exaxtly the same as the OE maker, so this law should apply to every single car in the UK, that doesnt have the exhaust it left the factory with. Which is nearly every car.

 

Without a detailed testing procedure, the figures they state are totally meaningless.

Going by any recognised tests, I doubt any vehicle with an engine would meed any of those db figures.

Background noise would nearly be at that level ffs !

 

I normally get on wel with the police when stopped and can often have a laugh with them even if I've blatantly broken the law. Usually see's me walk away with a talking to rather than a fine and points. However it does sound like that one copper is fully deserving of recieving a poo in a box.

 

Take the car to a mot garage, get a new ticket then take that to court with you . if it passes then the court should just chuck it out . BUT



Ashley exhausts are loud, i never thought my old car was loud untill i let a mate drive it why i watched

 

To me that says from the date of manufacture of the exhaust you can't modify it to make it noisier. It's a replacement system and is as supplied by the manufacturer therefore the above is not applicable and no offence has been committed.

At least that is how I read it

 

An MOT does not make a car legal. It is only one aspect of legality, even if it is really a totally worthless piece of paper.

The whole construction and use BS, is far more detailed, although equally a load of shite.


Sooner or later, everything will be illegal. Even driving over their heads for being pricks.....or is that already illegal ?

 

You do get some idiot coppers.

I was driving round plym in a standard passat and someone i know was racing up behind me to catch me up, they are a friend but it wasnt at all obvious. I was doing about 25 mph in the 30 zone, he was doing alot more.

Anyway, a cop car pulls us for "racing" and proceeds to tell me i cant smoke a cig outside my car whilst waiting for him to fuck about, then proceeds to breath test me, (all clear). At this point ive noticed that one of his headlights is out, doesnt work. I tell him this, that that is illegal and he cant do me for anything because his car is unsafe for the road. He looks at his colleague and "lets me off before they do me for something".

later on that night they have pulled over a modded car and appear to be giving him a section 59, and yet, their headlight is still not working.

I did say "thats illegal, you could give me points for that" and he agreed.

I really wish I had reported him now.

Yet some are fine, i dont get pulled much these days anyway, the luxury of having a bit of a sleeper

 

Also, surely you were making loads of noise ?

I used to have a system on my old golf, where, it went Manifold - scaffold pipe - 5" jap can. That was mega loud, id drive past a row of cars doing anything about 20mph and it would set off loads of car alarms. Yet i never got pulled for that exhaust ?

 

Can anyone explain to this old fart why loud = good?

Is it supposed to release more power somehow? Given that energy can't be created but can only be released, or converted from one form to another, if energy is being converted to sound energy, it plainly isn't making any kinetic energy.

And how can a bit of scaffold tube be more efficient that a carefully designed system? Lack of bends? No silencer plates? How much of a gain does it really give? Maybe one of the mags could run some tests on standard system, no system at all, scaffold tube etc, and compare the power gain to the increase in noise.

Or is this another foglight thing? We've all got them but some think it's cool to show everyone they have them? Maybe a loud exhaust attracts the young ladies?

 

^Kind of agree to a point. But your not wasting energy making a noice you simply aren't silencing it as much as a standard system. In saying that though I know exhausts are a lot more complex than a load of bent tubing

 

Ah sounds like good old Blighty is taking a leaf out of the Victorian books here in Oz.

I suspect this will only become more frequent with emissions being such a hot global topic. Is a pain in the ass to most people who drive responsibly and modify sensibly.

Quick edit - the reason larger exhausts are an issue is because they have more throughput than your standard pea shooter. 3" and 4" from the manifold in some cases will be 1.5-2 times more than standard. It is also the associated work that goes with an exhaust, quite often a richer tune etc etc.

Very annoying but not much most can do unfortunately

 

When i was younger loud was cool. I now drive a turbo diesel.

 

Im so glad the way my cars registered means i use the 98db rule.

 

Size of exhaust, has no bearing on emissions. Most cars can meet and pass emissions tests here.

Noise guidelines are a vague area, although there are plenty of grey rules to allow a cop to do whatever the hell they like if they are a total prick with nothing better to do like catch criminals.

If a car with a louder exhaust is being driven in a manner which does cause disturbance, then by all means that person should be spoken to.

But if they are driving in a manner, where no disturbance is being caused, clearly the cop needs to fuck off and get a life.

I dont see cops arresting people simply for buying alcohol, despite knowing the potential harm and damage its going to cause.
In fact....we rarely see cops tackle people drinking on the street, harassing people, pissing everywhere, stealing....oh right, all of those crimes might involve some work.

The anti-car cop batallion will just keep growing, and there is nothing legal we can do about it. Plenty of illegal things I'd like to do about it though, but thats just nasty.

Maybe they'll all be happy when all cars are totally silent, and pedestrians get killed everywhere, because they cant hear the cars coming when they blindly walk out onto the roads in front of cars.

And no doubt, it will still be the motorists fault then they drive over them

 

Way I read that section of law is that the actual box can not be modified ie debaffled. Doesnt read that the car can not have a different system on thats louder.

 

Up our way we have had similar issues to this , There is one of the traffic cops who is pretty good , has a cossie and a bike and get on well with the cruisers too .

I asked him one night about the noise and although this 10db rule is there , they don't usual enforce it , his opinion was there is a time and a place and if your driving manner is agreesive then your exhaust will be louder.

When I asked him about my V8 capri , he said , we dont have any figures to compare your car to so it would be pointless trying to issue a ticket for this , but he did say that they now issue more asbo's as they have more effect , If you or your car gets 2 asbos then you car is pounded and it costs you to get it back .

Seems like we are at the mercy of whether the police and in a good mood or not at the time

 

They issue ASBO's to a car ???

What a sad bunch. The legal system is such a fucking joke.


And as already said. There is a rule where any deviation from the manufacturers standard, is illegal which is what the original post/cop was using.. But as with all legal type documents, its nearly impossible to actually make any sense of them and find all the rules.

The bottom line though, is it'll cost you a fortune to fight it in court. Every motoring law seems to boil down to handing over money. Nothing else.