Best Tuner around leicester?
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"Dyno's are a pile of wank" eh? read on.... those not living in the dark.......
Just how precise do you expect a dyno, any dyno, to be?
More is more and less is less, however more or less is arrived at does not matter a jot. It does not matter if more is found on an engine or chassis dyno. You continue working until no 'more' is to be had. Then you have, by definition, an optimum setting for whatever it is you are doing.
To do the job properly you need repeatability - period. You do not need accuracy of numbers as that really is for the pub and forums. Times are the interesting numbers in question at the end of the day and if your car does good times on a track then it has enough AREA UNDER the power curve- which is, after all, what really moves a car along. Peak figures mean nothing at all in my book.
If what you are actually trying to say in some long-winded, not-so roundabout way, that to get accurate flywheel figures it is best to use an engine dyno then yes, I agree, but if all you want is a NUMBER surely that is the pure persuit of bulsh*t to be re-gurgitated in the pub or on a forum somewhere for the gullable or uneducated to be impressed by?
I have to admit that a chassis dyno is more open to abuse with regard to 'real' figures, as various settings can be altered to make things look better than they really are. I do not subscribe to this myself as it is effectively lying, and my memory is not good enough to bother doing any of that as I would never remember what I have said to whom. If a motor does not give the power that is claimed of it then there is either something wrong with it or it was overrated at some time before.
This is not something confined to aftermarket tuners either- just run a few stock road cars up and compare numbers between supposedly similarly powered motors. Hondas and Toyotas tend to be spot on, time after time. Nissans are very often underrated and so are Mitsubishis. BMW M3s which are supposed to 321 bhp typically give 308 bhp and 996 Porsches are terrible with the 300 bhp one giving a true typical 268 bhp. I remember when 2.8 Capris were the car to have- 160 bhp out the box, er, no. Try about 140 if you get a good one. It goes on and on, they're all guilty of it.
If Stuttgart, Dagenham or whoever lie thier arses off about power output NUMBERS then it makes a tuners life difficult if his customers are expecting to see more power from his shiny new car by tweaking this or that when the thing is a mile off what he THOUGHT he bought and paid for already.....
This thread started 'best tuner around Leicester?' and has gone somewhat O/T. The fact of the matter is that the best tuner for the person who started this thread, who, no doubt, does NOT want his motor pulled out and put on a dyno and doesn't likely want his car thrashed around Brunters, will most likely have a rolling road.
Imagine if the car is question was an Escort turbo. The total ball-ache running one of those things, on KE, on an engine dyno would be.... think about it. Make looms, pipes, brackets to hold everything together etc.... Hours and hours of work to find at the end of days and days of hard work that it only needs a rotor arm and a new fuel pump! Half the time the problem with old cars is the loom! How do you get round that one with an engine dyno?
Steve Greenald, a long time engine dyno man (maps most competition systems, does a good job, works London way somewhere), has been telling everyone for years how bad rolling roads were and how good an engine dyno is...... then he went to work at a firm with both..... now he tells me he cannot believe how good the rolling road is..... funny that.
Go to a rolling road with a good man at the helm and you're in with by far the best shot of getting your motor sorted out for a sensible price within a sensible period of time.
And, by the way........
At this time of year and at 'normal' boost levels the IATs won't get as high as they are at 100 mph+ on a hot summers day anyway- even with just a humble 40 mph dyno fan- do your sums chaps- simple thermodynamics. So the IATs 'debate' is absolutely and totally moot really isn't it really?
The fact that this thread has gone off topic is not really a loss, as I hope that some people reading will have learned a little from the recent posts on this forum. You know the sort of thing I mean, who really knows, who doesn't seem to and who still has sand in their hair, eyes and ears.
No insult intended Mike, not sure just which bit you found insulting before, but if you manage to make a living in the car job you cannot have escaped the usefulness of a rolling road all your life....
If I have had no, little, or poor, experience of a particular procedure, it makes me more inquizative as to why someone else would perservere with what, at first, seemed to be no good to me. I try to look at things from their perspective and when I do it often becomes apparent why it is they do what they do. It's called having an open mind and it is actually a very good way to learn things.
If it's any consolation.... I don't know the first thing about selling K&Ns, wheels and window tinting myself, or whatever it is that you might do. That is your business and I will freely admit I know little or nothing of it. I know my job very well indeed and will be knackered completely if an industry revolution rendered me obscolete.
A word of advice... Please do not try to make a public mockery of the way someone else goes about their business, it makes you look immature and foolish when there is an educated retort to your obvious lack of understanding of another persons business.
I respectfully PM'd before you so that you would have a little insight into my level of expertese and so that you might thus exercise some level of descretion (it being the better part of valour) but clearly you ignored my attempt to keep this thread insult free and mature and instead harped on about rolling roads being for bulsh*tters such as myself it seems. I hope that readers will have seen true colours thus.
Not that many people are actually that stupid, especially when they make a lot of money and win a lot of races. They must be doing something right eh- even on one of those "piles of wank"?
PS.
Does anyone have a picture of a 'pile of wank'?
Is it messy?
How long do you have to be a 'wanker' for before being able to witness a 'pile' of it before your very eyes?
If you know what a 'pile of wank' really is, do you not suffer with a sore knob all the time?
Is it similar to a 'pile of shite'?
Less smelly though I expect?
I have spun my wheels on 'piles of shite' before, is the sensation similar to running your car on a 'pile of wank'?
How much power does a 200 bhp car show when run on a 'pile of wank'?
If I empty a 'bag of wank' is there enough to make a 'pile' of it or does it take more than just the one 'bag'?
Jesus chaps, there's a lot more to this tuning than I had realised, Instead of spending Ł200k on a chassis dyno facility I really should just have got my knob out all these years eh?
Some people, you know the REAL wankers, must be way ahead of me by now........ off to the bathroom to try to catch up...... good job mine's a high revving short -stroker.....
Just how precise do you expect a dyno, any dyno, to be?
More is more and less is less, however more or less is arrived at does not matter a jot. It does not matter if more is found on an engine or chassis dyno. You continue working until no 'more' is to be had. Then you have, by definition, an optimum setting for whatever it is you are doing.
To do the job properly you need repeatability - period. You do not need accuracy of numbers as that really is for the pub and forums. Times are the interesting numbers in question at the end of the day and if your car does good times on a track then it has enough AREA UNDER the power curve- which is, after all, what really moves a car along. Peak figures mean nothing at all in my book.
If what you are actually trying to say in some long-winded, not-so roundabout way, that to get accurate flywheel figures it is best to use an engine dyno then yes, I agree, but if all you want is a NUMBER surely that is the pure persuit of bulsh*t to be re-gurgitated in the pub or on a forum somewhere for the gullable or uneducated to be impressed by?
I have to admit that a chassis dyno is more open to abuse with regard to 'real' figures, as various settings can be altered to make things look better than they really are. I do not subscribe to this myself as it is effectively lying, and my memory is not good enough to bother doing any of that as I would never remember what I have said to whom. If a motor does not give the power that is claimed of it then there is either something wrong with it or it was overrated at some time before.
This is not something confined to aftermarket tuners either- just run a few stock road cars up and compare numbers between supposedly similarly powered motors. Hondas and Toyotas tend to be spot on, time after time. Nissans are very often underrated and so are Mitsubishis. BMW M3s which are supposed to 321 bhp typically give 308 bhp and 996 Porsches are terrible with the 300 bhp one giving a true typical 268 bhp. I remember when 2.8 Capris were the car to have- 160 bhp out the box, er, no. Try about 140 if you get a good one. It goes on and on, they're all guilty of it.
If Stuttgart, Dagenham or whoever lie thier arses off about power output NUMBERS then it makes a tuners life difficult if his customers are expecting to see more power from his shiny new car by tweaking this or that when the thing is a mile off what he THOUGHT he bought and paid for already.....
This thread started 'best tuner around Leicester?' and has gone somewhat O/T. The fact of the matter is that the best tuner for the person who started this thread, who, no doubt, does NOT want his motor pulled out and put on a dyno and doesn't likely want his car thrashed around Brunters, will most likely have a rolling road.
Imagine if the car is question was an Escort turbo. The total ball-ache running one of those things, on KE, on an engine dyno would be.... think about it. Make looms, pipes, brackets to hold everything together etc.... Hours and hours of work to find at the end of days and days of hard work that it only needs a rotor arm and a new fuel pump! Half the time the problem with old cars is the loom! How do you get round that one with an engine dyno?
Steve Greenald, a long time engine dyno man (maps most competition systems, does a good job, works London way somewhere), has been telling everyone for years how bad rolling roads were and how good an engine dyno is...... then he went to work at a firm with both..... now he tells me he cannot believe how good the rolling road is..... funny that.
Go to a rolling road with a good man at the helm and you're in with by far the best shot of getting your motor sorted out for a sensible price within a sensible period of time.
And, by the way........
At this time of year and at 'normal' boost levels the IATs won't get as high as they are at 100 mph+ on a hot summers day anyway- even with just a humble 40 mph dyno fan- do your sums chaps- simple thermodynamics. So the IATs 'debate' is absolutely and totally moot really isn't it really?
The fact that this thread has gone off topic is not really a loss, as I hope that some people reading will have learned a little from the recent posts on this forum. You know the sort of thing I mean, who really knows, who doesn't seem to and who still has sand in their hair, eyes and ears.
No insult intended Mike, not sure just which bit you found insulting before, but if you manage to make a living in the car job you cannot have escaped the usefulness of a rolling road all your life....
If I have had no, little, or poor, experience of a particular procedure, it makes me more inquizative as to why someone else would perservere with what, at first, seemed to be no good to me. I try to look at things from their perspective and when I do it often becomes apparent why it is they do what they do. It's called having an open mind and it is actually a very good way to learn things.
If it's any consolation.... I don't know the first thing about selling K&Ns, wheels and window tinting myself, or whatever it is that you might do. That is your business and I will freely admit I know little or nothing of it. I know my job very well indeed and will be knackered completely if an industry revolution rendered me obscolete.
A word of advice... Please do not try to make a public mockery of the way someone else goes about their business, it makes you look immature and foolish when there is an educated retort to your obvious lack of understanding of another persons business.
I respectfully PM'd before you so that you would have a little insight into my level of expertese and so that you might thus exercise some level of descretion (it being the better part of valour) but clearly you ignored my attempt to keep this thread insult free and mature and instead harped on about rolling roads being for bulsh*tters such as myself it seems. I hope that readers will have seen true colours thus.
Not that many people are actually that stupid, especially when they make a lot of money and win a lot of races. They must be doing something right eh- even on one of those "piles of wank"?
PS.
Does anyone have a picture of a 'pile of wank'?
Is it messy?
How long do you have to be a 'wanker' for before being able to witness a 'pile' of it before your very eyes?
If you know what a 'pile of wank' really is, do you not suffer with a sore knob all the time?
Is it similar to a 'pile of shite'?
Less smelly though I expect?
I have spun my wheels on 'piles of shite' before, is the sensation similar to running your car on a 'pile of wank'?
How much power does a 200 bhp car show when run on a 'pile of wank'?
If I empty a 'bag of wank' is there enough to make a 'pile' of it or does it take more than just the one 'bag'?
Jesus chaps, there's a lot more to this tuning than I had realised, Instead of spending Ł200k on a chassis dyno facility I really should just have got my knob out all these years eh?
Some people, you know the REAL wankers, must be way ahead of me by now........ off to the bathroom to try to catch up...... good job mine's a high revving short -stroker.....
26-01-2005, 08:22 AM
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Wayne, you seem pretty inept at grasping the point that I have been making and instead seem to be attempting to pick out particular points that suit you to jump on 
. So for the hard of reading, my original point was the criticism of the claimed flywheel figure for Danny's car, so I will regurgitate it for you . On an engine dyno 320bhp will be achieved at 17psi on a T3/4, no more. I just jumped on the thread to highlight this inaccuracy of rolling-road claimed flywheel figures, and you STILL won't have it (I take it you did read the case in point about flywheel / at the wheel figures 
?).Given your detailed explanation of how YOU spend the time that YOU do to get repeatability on a chasis dyno, I don't doubt that you know your stuff (apart from your inability to admit that flywheel chassis dyno figures are tosh
). However, I have NEVER in all my 12 years experience with Cossies, seen anyone else be as meticulous as you describe to get that repeatability with a chassis dyno. So as you are fond of saying, that makes YOUR comments a bit of a moot point , as you're the only person out there going to this level of detail to ensure a level of repeatabilty .As to your obvious track record, I hope you did not think that I was trying to belittle your achievemnets, because at the end of the day there is more than one way to skin a cat
. My view is, provided anyone can get reliable results, and are competitive at the time it matters, then all methods are acceptable. You clearly have your ways, and it appears to be reliable and competitive, and others have theirs. My bone of contention was your insistance of quoting flywheel "calculated" figure achieved on chassis dynos, nothing more, nothing less . As a wise man said to me, "It's not how you crack the nut, it's the fact that you cracked it..."
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26-01-2005, 01:31 PM
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very interesting 
Your typical rolling road operator....
and fpmsl @ Steve . that chairman bloke had a link to a beastiality site on faceparty, which is where I found this...
Your typical rolling road operator....
and fpmsl @ Steve . that chairman bloke had a link to a beastiality site on faceparty, which is where I found this...
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26-01-2005, 02:25 PM
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Not quite hunting them down mikey, he had the link to it as his signature before i started taking the piss
What the fuck is this about anyhow
What the fuck is this about anyhow
Hair : Dark & Bulbous....
26-01-2005, 02:33 PM
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I was actually joking about going on his faceparty, just for an excuse to use "I blow dogs" cos he called Rich a blow dog on the previous page 
whats your excuse steve!??? :gayflag:
and how can you not laugh at my rolling road operator photoshop
took real skill to do that!
whats your excuse steve!??? :gayflag:
and how can you not laugh at my rolling road operator photoshop
took real skill to do that!
26-01-2005, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JAP CRAP
very interesting
Your typical rolling road operator....
and fpmsl @ Steve . that chairman bloke had a link to a beastiality site on faceparty, which is where I found this...
Your typical rolling road operator....
and fpmsl @ Steve . that chairman bloke had a link to a beastiality site on faceparty, which is where I found this...
As for the links, dont talk about me if your going to make up sick stuff, because your not funny, as for editing my pic and saving the file as dickhead.. You dont know me, you have no right to post stuff like that about me so grow up.. Or come say it to my face...
26-01-2005, 05:47 PM
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Also I see A lot of you also use faceparty... As a lot of you have added offensive ratings onto it..
Your not clever, your not funny, and you dont know fuck all...
Come see me if you got a problem with me, dont sit on here with your sad little lives thinking your big and clever cos you know how to type...
over 7000 posts in about a year.. thats a lot of posts, dont you get out much?
Your not clever, your not funny, and you dont know fuck all...
Come see me if you got a problem with me, dont sit on here with your sad little lives thinking your big and clever cos you know how to type...
over 7000 posts in about a year.. thats a lot of posts, dont you get out much?
26-01-2005, 05:49 PM
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fpmsl I wouldn't take it to heart Mr Chairman, and the more you bite the worse it will get. I suggest you join in with the spirit 
. And you are asking for a little bit of stick with that sig.......what are the safety glasses for anyway
I wouldn't take it to heart Mr Chairman, and the more you bite the worse it will get. I suggest you join in with the spirit . And you are asking for a little bit of stick with that sig.......what are the safety glasses for anyway
26-01-2005, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by churchy
fpmsl I wouldn't take it to heart Mr Chairman, and the more you bite the worse it will get. I suggest you join in with the spirit . And you are asking for a little bit of stick with that sig.......what are the safety glasses for anyway
I wouldn't take it to heart Mr Chairman, and the more you bite the worse it will get. I suggest you join in with the spirit . And you are asking for a little bit of stick with that sig.......what are the safety glasses for anyway That better for ya
And i dont mind a bit of comedy, and a laugh, I just think they went too far, theres no need for it, as i was only having a joke anyway,
People have to take it too far
26-01-2005, 06:26 PM
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Too Be honest I got more to worry about, As I was involved in a pretty serious Road accident last night,
Im more concerned with my health rather than what goes on here, Im just angry at peoples attitudes to what they find funny, and using my personal photos.
Im more concerned with my health rather than what goes on here, Im just angry at peoples attitudes to what they find funny, and using my personal photos.
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sorry to here you had an accident 
but as for the pic wasnt you using it as your sig on a public forums ie here ? if its personal surely wasnt clever idea using it lol anyway tell us more about this accident hope your ok mate nothing to serious i hope
but as for the pic wasnt you using it as your sig on a public forums ie here ? if its personal surely wasnt clever idea using it lol anyway tell us more about this accident hope your ok mate nothing to serious i hope
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Hit me With that and i will twat you with my fins 
Was in my runabout escort, not the sierra thankfully, I was hit by a car i was overtaking, and ended up in a ditch, into a tree.
Havent been to hospital yet, ambulance came and suspected broken ribs, but didnt hurt then, only when i woke up this morning..
Was in my runabout escort, not the sierra thankfully, I was hit by a car i was overtaking, and ended up in a ditch, into a tree.
Havent been to hospital yet, ambulance came and suspected broken ribs, but didnt hurt then, only when i woke up this morning..
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take a look at these pics is a lad off here bet your wasnt as bad as his
take a look at these pics is a lad off here bet your wasnt as bad as his
26-01-2005, 08:02 PM
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Now i see why my PM box is busier than usual, ive missed all this carry on 
Wayne, since you seem to have deceided to stay after all, welcome to PassionFord.
A couple of people on here seem to think that your posts are aimed directly at me, so ive come to take a look for myself. I hadnt bothered looking at this post since your first visit as i presumed it had died a death with your one and only contribution, seeing as you are far too sucessfull and busy to have time to use an internet forum. (damned annoying how they draw you back isnt it?) I personally cant decide who you are aiming at due to the style of writing you have used to carefully hide intent but i presumed initially that you were generalising. So i will simply ask you outright to save a whole lot of time, are you aiming your earlier comments at me specifically or not and do you wish me to personally answer anything? And if so, why do you care? I have made my decisions about the way i wish to work and i am very happy and very busy doing things the way i do, with no complaints so far from either retail customers or any of my 37 European dealers. You seem to base your work largely on competition cars and i work on the road versions the majority of the time, and mapping these two are like the proverbial chalk and cheese as you well know im quite sure. I made my initial comments on this thread both concisely and intentionally as politely and respectfully as i could due to the simple fact that a fellow tuner whom i have a lot of respect for had questioned the way other tuners work and that of course affects me due to the sweeping generalisations made. (read my reply again, and see where ive said rollers are shit or anything similar, as i havent), lets all face a simple fact here, its wasnt me who started this argument off, it was a Jamsport employee which surprised me immensely as i personally find it best to stay well out of tuner wars completely, it does nobody any good at all, but more surprisingly to me than that is the fact they appear to have called you for some form of backup, which to be fair, is worrying at best. 
I deal with my retail customers on my own and wouldnt need or indeed want to employ the help of a subcontractor to press my keyboard or telephones keys, and if thier intention is to have a dig at or discredit a fellow tuner, be that myself or any other company then its a very sad state of affairs indeed as there should be room for us all and a mutual respect should be shared. I assure you i shall not be calling any pals or subcontractors in to back my argument up and any internet forum, i am quite capable of answering questions myself.
Jambo, (Sorry, unsure who is who here)
Ive brought this statement back up for the simple reason that it also affects me and its been pointed out to me by PM by a worried customer questioning what he was told by me.
Now as i hadnt read it until i was directed to it this evening i hadnt responded to it previously. Now we both know that you have either deliberately mis-represented the real issue discovered and discussed by us and thus are deliberately suggesting i have lied to the owner or you totally missunderstood what i carefully explained personally to your representative (Sorry, i forget the chaps name) on the telephone and believe what you just typed, take your pick, im hoping for the latter.
Thankfully for me the owner was stood with a family member right next to me with the Pectel datalogger when the problem with his car was discovered so i have no qualms whatesoever with who did what and nor do the cars owners and the fact i was not present when your mapper did the job means i cannot and will not apportion blame other than to do what i have already done and rectify the fault and remap the management to suit the correction on behalf of the paying customer. This customer is now also very happy i believe even though i didnt do his car on a dyno.. (Joke... lighten up ) and its a shame this mess has been draged back up again IMO.
Anyone on here will tell you, i dont get involved in tuner backstabbing either on the internet or in person and i even told the owner of the car in question i didnt want to know who tuned it previous to it melting down, but since youve publically made a different statement than i personaly did to him and to yourselves, i feel i now have to defend it publically, which is a crying shame. If you want to call me briefly tomorrow, feel free, i will also be quite happy to lock this daft thread before it gets any messier should you so wish to for both our benefits.
And finally:
PMSL.. some sense at last
Wayne, since you seem to have deceided to stay after all, welcome to PassionFord.
A couple of people on here seem to think that your posts are aimed directly at me, so ive come to take a look for myself. I hadnt bothered looking at this post since your first visit as i presumed it had died a death with your one and only contribution, seeing as you are far too sucessfull and busy to have time to use an internet forum. (damned annoying how they draw you back isnt it?)
I personally cant decide who you are aiming at due to the style of writing you have used to carefully hide intent but i presumed initially that you were generalising. So i will simply ask you outright to save a whole lot of time, are you aiming your earlier comments at me specifically or not and do you wish me to personally answer anything? And if so, why do you care? I have made my decisions about the way i wish to work and i am very happy and very busy doing things the way i do, with no complaints so far from either retail customers or any of my 37 European dealers. You seem to base your work largely on competition cars and i work on the road versions the majority of the time, and mapping these two are like the proverbial chalk and cheese as you well know im quite sure. I made my initial comments on this thread both concisely and intentionally as politely and respectfully as i could due to the simple fact that a fellow tuner whom i have a lot of respect for had questioned the way other tuners work and that of course affects me due to the sweeping generalisations made. (read my reply again, and see where ive said rollers are shit or anything similar, as i havent), lets all face a simple fact here, its wasnt me who started this argument off, it was a Jamsport employee which surprised me immensely as i personally find it best to stay well out of tuner wars completely, it does nobody any good at all, but more surprisingly to me than that is the fact they appear to have called you for some form of backup, which to be fair, is worrying at best. I deal with my retail customers on my own and wouldnt need or indeed want to employ the help of a subcontractor to press my keyboard or telephones keys, and if thier intention is to have a dig at or discredit a fellow tuner, be that myself or any other company then its a very sad state of affairs indeed as there should be room for us all and a mutual respect should be shared. I assure you i shall not be calling any pals or subcontractors in to back my argument up and any internet forum, i am quite capable of answering questions myself.
JAMBO,
we were led to believe that Ranjs Escort popped because the ATS failed, causing the motor to go lean and advanced, as it does don't you know? If a file is optimised on the dyno and some component fails which alters the settings then it is likely to cause a problem, innit? Life is like that when stuff breaks. It's a shame that the short-sighted amongst us want to apportion blame for a component failure when the component was not manufactured by ourselves.
Has everyone forgotten how long that car ran fine after we did it six years ago, without a problem?
we were led to believe that Ranjs Escort popped because the ATS failed, causing the motor to go lean and advanced, as it does don't you know? If a file is optimised on the dyno and some component fails which alters the settings then it is likely to cause a problem, innit? Life is like that when stuff breaks. It's a shame that the short-sighted amongst us want to apportion blame for a component failure when the component was not manufactured by ourselves.
Has everyone forgotten how long that car ran fine after we did it six years ago, without a problem?
Ive brought this statement back up for the simple reason that it also affects me and its been pointed out to me by PM by a worried customer questioning what he was told by me.
Now as i hadnt read it until i was directed to it this evening i hadnt responded to it previously. Now we both know that you have either deliberately mis-represented the real issue discovered and discussed by us and thus are deliberately suggesting i have lied to the owner or you totally missunderstood what i carefully explained personally to your representative (Sorry, i forget the chaps name) on the telephone and believe what you just typed, take your pick, im hoping for the latter.
Thankfully for me the owner was stood with a family member right next to me with the Pectel datalogger when the problem with his car was discovered so i have no qualms whatesoever with who did what and nor do the cars owners and the fact i was not present when your mapper did the job means i cannot and will not apportion blame other than to do what i have already done and rectify the fault and remap the management to suit the correction on behalf of the paying customer. This customer is now also very happy i believe even though i didnt do his car on a dyno.. (Joke... lighten up
) and its a shame this mess has been draged back up again IMO. Anyone on here will tell you, i dont get involved in tuner backstabbing either on the internet or in person and i even told the owner of the car in question i didnt want to know who tuned it previous to it melting down, but since youve publically made a different statement than i personaly did to him and to yourselves, i feel i now have to defend it publically, which is a crying shame. If you want to call me briefly tomorrow, feel free, i will also be quite happy to lock this daft thread before it gets any messier should you so wish to for both our benefits.
And finally:
PMSL.. some sense at last
26-01-2005, 08:13 PM
#200
Think these were the bits aimed at you Stu
Originally Posted by WAYNE SCHOFIELD
You CANNOT tell on the road that your engine is running with optimum ignition values as the values are often short of the point at which det sets in. It is also VERY dangerous, for yourself and the general public, and if you are happy for a 'tuner' to run your car in excess of 100mph on the public road then you , by vertue of the fact that you know that it is being done, makes you jointly liable for any DEATHS that might occur from this outragous activity. I am sure that any insurance company would invalidate any claim and this would leave you paying out for the rest of your life both fiscally and with guilt. Go make your choice!
I am very keen to separate myself from other 'engine mappers' who are getting the industry a bad name through poor, dangerous, practices. They can afford to charge less money for a job because they have not made the necessary investment to do the job safely and properly. It makes me wonder where else corners may have been cut with their practices that the customer might not be aware of. I hope I do not get 'tarred with the same brush' as some other people claiming to do a proper job.
I am here posting just the once only to try to put the record straight between the professionals, the amateurs, those who understand and the generally misled! I am not here to plug my services, sell my wares, have bits of flash or java running through what I offer onscreen before your eyes. I never advertise anywhere because I do not have to. Reputation keeps me busy enough for me not to have any spare time left to plug my stuff on any forum- let alone host one!
I am very keen to separate myself from other 'engine mappers' who are getting the industry a bad name through poor, dangerous, practices. They can afford to charge less money for a job because they have not made the necessary investment to do the job safely and properly. It makes me wonder where else corners may have been cut with their practices that the customer might not be aware of. I hope I do not get 'tarred with the same brush' as some other people claiming to do a proper job.
I am here posting just the once only to try to put the record straight between the professionals, the amateurs, those who understand and the generally misled! I am not here to plug my services, sell my wares, have bits of flash or java running through what I offer onscreen before your eyes. I never advertise anywhere because I do not have to. Reputation keeps me busy enough for me not to have any spare time left to plug my stuff on any forum- let alone host one!