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Old 16-01-2010, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by J1mbo


if i can fit in the seat were on lol
changing the seats back over mate(sparco evo 2)
shouldn`t be a problem then.


cheers paul
Old 17-01-2010, 10:35 AM
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Fantastic result Paul. Really happy for you mate!

Car will go like an absolute missile! With the power & torque you have there + the aerodynamics of the Focus you should be able to see the magic 2 number.

Total credit to all involved.

Give us a bell as soon as you know your going to Brunters.

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Old 17-01-2010, 10:57 AM
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What happened to your build sunny as it was in fast ford all the time and then stopped?
Old 17-01-2010, 11:12 AM
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Hi Johnny

I was let down by too many people not delivering what they said they would on time. Got seriously pissed off of waiting after spending an absolute fortune on very high spec custom components. Then arrived my son who ofcourse took priority. I always kept on fooling myself in saying I will get it finished however due to certain people moving to other parts of the world, people never delivering to deadlines and being let down timewise I decided to knock it on the head. Instead to keep myself satisfied I brought a 200hp GSXR1300 Hayabusa. Much cheaper, easier to tune and a hell of alot more speed for pound. A real shame as I had some serious plans for the new evolution of engine and I really miss driving a car that light and fast......gosh to think of it I've been in some seriously fast cars however nothing has given me the buzz that my old Fiesta did back then. Oh well.....its life and you have to be realistic and get on with it.
I only recently decided to actually knock it and give up.....it will be hurtful selling the very special components that would of made for sure a very powerful and reliable engine with no expense spared.

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Old 17-01-2010, 11:53 AM
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The YB runs more oil pressure than Zetec. The zetec is a more modern engine with closer tolerances, so runs less pressure to reduce pumping loses.

Very nice graph.

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Old 17-01-2010, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sunny
Hi Johnny

I was let down by too many people not delivering what they said they would on time. Got seriously pissed off of waiting after spending an absolute fortune on very high spec custom components. Then arrived my son who ofcourse took priority. I always kept on fooling myself in saying I will get it finished however due to certain people moving to other parts of the world, people never delivering to deadlines and being let down timewise I decided to knock it on the head. Instead to keep myself satisfied I brought a 200hp GSXR1300 Hayabusa. Much cheaper, easier to tune and a hell of alot more speed for pound. A real shame as I had some serious plans for the new evolution of engine and I really miss driving a car that light and fast......gosh to think of it I've been in some seriously fast cars however nothing has given me the buzz that my old Fiesta did back then. Oh well.....its life and you have to be realistic and get on with it.
I only recently decided to actually knock it and give up.....it will be hurtful selling the very special components that would of made for sure a very powerful and reliable engine with no expense spared.

Cheers

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A dame shame

I had to give up a project due to it been a money pit

Good luck with what every you do with the parts
Old 17-01-2010, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
i have to say i would be worried about below 3 bar oil pressure at 7500 rpm.
not a dig in the slightest thats insane power for a zetec its certainly gonna make alot of yb powered cars look silly

why does the oil pressure drop off like that ?
is it a zetec trait ?
Was at Harvey Gibbs' yesterday and can confirm what Jim was saying about the computer taking a while to catch up with regards the oil pressure.

Saw the manual gauge (that is the size of a wall clock by the way, lol) go from 2bar to 5bar and when i looked at the computer its was only showing 34psi and climbing slowly.

I think where you are reading into it wrong is that you are reading the rpm table as only one run.

The way that the result table is done is doing a seperate dyno run for each rpm point.

Ie:
Run for 2000rpm
Then another for 2500rpm
Then another for 3000rpm
Etc etc

Obviously you can hold the engine at the lower rpm points for longer and the computer gauge will catch up but you wouldn't want to hold the engine for too long at 7500rpm.

Thats what it all looked like to me yesterday anyway.
Sure Jim will correct me if i have got it wrong.

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Old 17-01-2010, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Gav Diamond
Was at Harvey Gibbs' yesterday and can confirm what Jim was saying about the computer taking a while to catch up with regards the oil pressure.

Saw the manual gauge (that is the size of a wall clock by the way, lol) go from 2bar to 5bar and when i looked at the computer its was only showing 34psi and climbing slowly.

I think where you are reading into it wrong is that you are reading the rpm table as only one run.

The way that the result table is done is doing a seperate dyno run for each rpm point.

Ie:
Run for 2000rpm
Then another for 2500rpm
Then another for 3000rpm
Etc etc

Obviously you can hold the engine at the lower rpm points for longer and the computer gauge will catch up but you wouldn't want to hold the engine for too long at 7500rpm.

Thats what it all looked like to me yesterday anyway.
Sure Jim will correct me if i have got it wrong.

spot on bud
Old 19-01-2010, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rst-g
cant wait for this to come home

Me either


Made up for you paul and cant wait to hit brunters, knew it would do it

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Old 21-01-2010, 05:29 PM
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Fantastic figures there Paul / Jim / Harvey. Looking forward to seeing it all put together and a few full car shots!
Old 21-01-2010, 05:43 PM
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i questioned the oil pressure drop on one of my engines and had no problems and since seen the delay from big mechanical gauge in dyno room to the computer
Old 21-01-2010, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by J1mbo
power/torque curve

excuse the grubby finger prints lol

Cant get any smoother than that , torque does not drop off early eaither.
Old 23-01-2010, 02:19 PM
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heres the old one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXcLD7YJzWk
Old 23-01-2010, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MadRod
remember that well rod,think we both had problems
that day

cheers paul
Old 23-01-2010, 05:39 PM
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paul i have some updated pics want them on here fella or pm ?
Old 23-01-2010, 05:48 PM
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sound good jim by the sounds of it engine is back in the car then?
Old 23-01-2010, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by J1mbo
paul i have some updated pics want them on here fella or pm ?
jim put them up mate,

cheers paul
Old 23-01-2010, 06:17 PM
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nearly there now, the screamer pipe came out nice, points directly at the floor now
Old 23-01-2010, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by paulj
remember that well rod,think we both had problems
that day

cheers paul
Think mine were worse than yours Paul .
Old 23-01-2010, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by packman
Cant get any smoother than that , torque does not drop off early eaither.
It looks smoother as a result of the low resolution of the data where it's built from just a handful of static figures.
Always looks smoother like that than from a continuous Reading like you typically see from dyno dynamics etc.
Old 23-01-2010, 09:22 PM
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it wouldnt be way out chip, you can see how it falls at the end, fairly straight, a run through recorded test would be slightly different but nothing worth mentioning
Old 23-01-2010, 10:03 PM
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Why isn't the wastegate silenced? As a track car, i'd have thought this was important with noise regs.
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it just never has been so went back on as it came off ! might be a good idea, but we'll get it mapped first then paul can decide
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Originally Posted by J1mbo
it wouldnt be way out chip, you can see how it falls at the end, fairly straight, a run through recorded test would be slightly different but nothing worth mentioning
You lose all the minor fluctuations when you have such a low resolution of data
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Jim, have you and your Dad experienced any problems with head lift on high boost zetecs? If so, what have you done to combat the issue?

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Originally Posted by Rick
Why isn't the wastegate silenced? As a track car, i'd have thought this was important with noise regs.
If its a static only test like at combe, shouldnt really matter, if its at somewhere like bedford with driveby noise it has no chance.
Old 23-01-2010, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick
Jim, have you and your Dad experienced any problems with head lift on high boost zetecs? If so, what have you done to combat the issue?

Rick
i honestly couldnt tell you bud, this is the only one that ive been there to see front start to finish on the dyno and it never had any problems but i know some people have,
Old 28-01-2010, 08:08 AM
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it runs sounds well, just checking the pumps out today and do a bit of mapping so it starts and goes
Old 28-01-2010, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by J1mbo
it runs sounds well, just checking the pumps out today and do a bit of mapping so it starts and goes
get it road tested,so we know if its got any grip.
Old 28-01-2010, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lloyd
get it road tested,so we know if its got any grip.
think were gonna take it brunters. map it and have a play then let paul take to the roads if he dares lol
Old 28-01-2010, 04:56 PM
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Surely thats going to upset the locals with the screamer or are they not as strict down there now ?
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nice one jim
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
Surely thats going to upset the locals with the screamer or are they not as strict down there now ?
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...ingthorpe.html
Old 28-01-2010, 05:04 PM
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nice one can you get some videos of it being mapped there, really want to see how well it goes
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
Surely thats going to upset the locals with the screamer or are they not as strict down there now ?
If you mean Paul's neighbours (local's) have you not seen how wide this Man is......
Old 28-01-2010, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by robp-tt
nice one can you get some videos of it being mapped there, really want to see how well it goes
i dont have a camera but if paul brings one i can do some vids for him

Originally Posted by clairendave
If you mean Paul's neighbours (local's) have you not seen how wide this Man is......
i wouldnt argue with him, being 1 taller too
Old 28-01-2010, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by clairendave
If you mean Paul's neighbours (local's) have you not seen how wide this Man is......
Pauls neighbours wont say anythink to him due to the size of him and av used him in the passed to have words with my cryin neighbours lol its gonna be a right scream going out in this when its back
Old 28-01-2010, 07:20 PM
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It is a very impressive engine, did Ian Howell build it?

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no mike, we did


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