can someone explain what this means please??

 

i thinks its old school now you dont see many tuners doing it

its basicaly a circle machined around the cylinders and some wire then sits in there, when the head is torqued up its cuts into the head gasket and was ment to hold it together abit better, for high boost etc

had this on my zvh engine a few years ago, was a right pain when i had to change the headgasket

 

my old s2 block was wire rung, its when the surface of the block get grooved and wire normally welding wire goes around making a tighter seal between the head and the block, apparently improving head gasket life but im sure people of here will dissagree,

 

ahh rite thanks guys.
yeah dont hear of it that much, i saw an advert on here for a wire rung 200 block for sale.

 

it puts some people off but to be honest i dont think it would put me off buying a block

 

same with coopers rings. similar idea.

at the time these things worked but times have moved on and a good multilayer metal gasket and decent head fastenings are readily available for most applications now.

 

Bad boy RS, why was it a nightmare when you done your headgasket? My block is wire rung and I still think its a good thing to do!

 

is it true they can be machined out though ?

 

im not gettin one and now i no what it is wouldn't really want one. i'd be happy with a gen 200 block

 

i have no patience

had no experience with wire ringing and to be honest didnt know the best way to do it, although when i did it the second time i used a stanley blade and it was alot easier

 

I don't understand what you had to do tho??

 

what you mean ? i had to change the .5 welding wire

 

Ah see, how come you had to change it? Mine was fine ater the head had been on the car and running for a while! I think it would be quite tricky/fiddly to change it

 

you change it when you change the headgasket

 

I never did and it was fine head had only been on 2k tho, and rushed into doing head gasket as it was leaking water, turned out hg was fine when i took it off

 

Its my 200 block for sale which is wire rung.It came from ford motorsport like that and it doesnt have to be machined out as the grooves are in a couple off mm and any cosworth headgasket covers them up.

 

is'nt cooper rings and wire rung different?

cooper rings come right to the edge of the bore and wire run is about a couple of mm off the edge. am i correct?

do any tuners still use cooper rings? what power are they good for?

 

dont know anything about cooper rings, ive seen them and know they about 250 per gasket

 

have we got any pictures of it to show it better

 

yes they are differant the wire rung one you could use a standard head gasket to get a real good seal with the .5mm welding wire

the cooper head gasket is totally differant its a grove that is about 3or 4mm wide & 1 or 1.5 mm deep going right into the cylinder. the head gasket has no fire ring in them & you get a seperate hollow crushable fire ring that sits in the groove

there good but i done my cooper ring head gasket when i used to run 40+psi on a t4 i done all 4 cylinders if i could get rid of them i would but the groove is so big you would have to machine the pistons as well to keep the original compression ratio
hope this helps

 

only if you dont know where to get one from i can get them for £180 to your door

 

Weren,t the old Touring Car 500s Wire rung?? or am i imagining it??

 

so would you say a wrc gasket is stronger?

 

not sure if there stronger just easier to get hold of a wrc head gasket

 

i think a cooper ring gasket is better myself as you have a nice strong fire ring and a fibre gasket to seal the rest which is far better to seal than metal gaskets.

 

and if you had a block that was already wire rung could you get away with just using a wrc gasket without the wire? cheers hugh

 

prob could wire rung but not cooper rung

 

got a wire rung 200 block in my sapphire with grp a gasket its been built since 1996 running 28 psi boost no problem it was all the top tuners would use mine was built by joe stevens ....

 

mines wire rung!!!! its a 205 block with GrpA gasket

 

did have a pic but it aint working,

 

got it

 

The coopers ring gaskets are crap unless you pay for a proper one from grahm goode,approx £350.My mates sapphire keeps blowing them on a t4 and 8 greens so hes moving to a wrc gasket and machineing the block down.
The wrc gasket can be used over the top of the wire rings thats what i was going to do with it as i didnt fancy the wire rings.

 

 

Is the car yours now then, thought it was ur dads?! From memory its best to change the wire as obviously clamping down the headgasket which has a metal fire ring will compress the wire....... but then all depends how much power ur running i guess.

Once upon a time it was cheaper to wire ring a fit a group a headgasket, think i was quote about £150 a few years back, but wrc spec multilayer ones are so cheap now thats why most people dont bother!!!

 

Bit of a long story that one mate

That's the exact reason we did it back in the day Tony, nail on the head

 

what power was your mates car running and how much boost to blow the gasket's

 

u inherited it now then?! lol

Yea i was gonna get matt a qep to do mine a few years back but then he stopped doing it all and nick who owns the engine work side doesnt do hardly any building or block work, plus the place doing it before nearly fucked the block trying so got fed up with getting it done
i managed to get a victor reinz wrc spec miltilayer one cheap so used it instead and head and block were both skimmed so was fine to use!!

 

Nah not really lol, but i'm the one spending the money on it these days!

Yeah Matt did ours I thought Nick would still do it though...but yeah these days WRC gaskets aren't £300 or £400

Not good they nearly fucked up trying

 

Running over 2bar,the engine is 500hp spec but not mapped or dynoed was only on a test run,the block was not long studded though,the experts reckon this is the cause.

 

mine was wire rung,but no longer use it,just left groove and used wrc head gasket

pic here