Chip

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If men and women are equal, then why do we have men and women's seperate classes in sports?

Chinese people tend to not be as good at boxing, and black people not as good at ping-pong, but we dont segregate sports based on race despite the implications of genetic disposition and physical strength, as we are not racist, so if we are not sexist we should not segregate on gender.


Discuss.......

Graham S1

Is this to do with the female boxing at the Olympics by chance?

rog

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Depends on your viewpoint, you could argue that from a commercial point of view it makes more money if you segregate things into different catagories, instead of having 1 big event, i.e not just having 1 big football league with everybody, that would be a bit shit.
And referring back to your question, no ne said they aren't equal...

Chip

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Well that is one good example of a sport where I think women would quickly learn how equal they really are but no its more general than that, and I mean everything, tennis, running, boxing, football, ALL sports, why should anyone be seperated out on the basis of gender if men and women are equal?

Ginge !

equality is only relevent in a womens favour

ie: let them vote, pay them the same, blokes can cook and do washing up but NEVER ask them to push a car or pay for a meal !!!!!

same with tennis,, they want the same purse at the end yet they play LESS sets,,,, that means they technically get paied MORE dont it ?

LHD220Turbo

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not just in sport, but even in business sense, women are paid less for doing the same job

it will always be a struggle for equality for men & women in our society, history has burdened us that women are inferrior to men and classed women as 2nd class.

even today; you go to some countries and women are made/ forced to walk behind men.

in a sporting sense, phyiscally women arent as strong as men, but i'd like to see women compete against men - i just dont think it will ever be allowed in events such as the olympics

Ginge !

also they wont have a "equal chance" in sports either due to not being good enough to beat the not so good blokes who then get beat by the stronger/better men

motor racing dont have womens and mens though !

Chip

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I disagree, I think that people with less ability, aptitude, consistancy, reliability, education or experience are paid less, and that statistically that just happens to be more women than men who get paid less as a result, I dont believe that any firm would pay a man extra money if he was no better at the job, it simply makes no economic sense to pay more money for staff unless they are better.



Chinese people arent as strong as Black people if you are going to generalise, but that doesnt mean they get seperated, they just each excel in different sports generally, why shouldnt men and women do the same?

Chip

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Motor racing has had women's only events/classes, but no men's only events that I am aware of.

alistairolsen

Ginge !

women are more risk in business though, they get pregnant and get maternity pay, you cant employ a replacement so have to employ a temp till the baby drops then get told " i aint comming back" to get a member of staff,,, if they have a family the women takes the time off to deal with kids ect

its a tough subject though cause the women burning there bras to be equal will fight it,,,, thats when they aint taken a day off to look after the child or on maternity leave

guys get,,,,,, 2 weeks maturnity leave to bond with there child ????

the court claims " a child should be with the mother" and you have "womens instincts"

as said make the men and women compete like in motor racing,,,, where,,,, they just do average

the only way to be fair then is to invent sports they are gonna be better at,,,,, international mixed ironing league,,,,,, regional programing boil wash and correct fabric softener cup ?,,,,,,,,,,,,, 5000 meters hoovering,

the best event they would win is the 10 person relay race,,,,, no running involved they just have to pass someone secrets to the next women and the one with the LEAST bollox in it wins,,,,,,

hell even the best chefs are now men now we decided to compete in there world so they need to make there sports !!!

Chip

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The pregnancy thing would definately put me off employing a woman in any imporant role, as having to do without a key member of staff for 6 months can be a nightmare, so I would just want to avoid that situaiton becoming more likely.

I think far from making women more equal, handicapping an employer financially for employing a woman who becomes pregnant is likely to make it harder for women to be taken seriously not easier.

LHD220Turbo

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i stand corrected on the women & men pay statment - i just read some statistics (should have done that first)!

Ginge !

they could have the "IRON WOMAN" too,,,,,,, event starts with geting the kids up for school, next one et them dressed, next event to make breakfast,,, then 3 mile drive in a 4x4,,, but OVER A ACTUAL 4X4 COURSE to get them to school,, then 30 mins to buy the shopping before bringing it back without crashing the car,, then the event to put the washing on,, then the cleaning the house event, then the starting on the dinner for hubby to come home event,,,,,,

a marathon could be the same event but over time and the winner is the one who dont end up divorced

Chip

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You werent incorrect based on what I have read, women still get paid less on average in most top professions than men do.

Ginge !

the government pays the wages in maternity not the employer !,,,, its the time off thats the issue and the 75% chance of no returning thats the handicap

LHD220Turbo

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maybe that's because women cant be trusted in director level jobs , either that or to every 1 female director, there is 10 men directing! Hence the shit average wage for women

Ginge !

being a escort and stripping is one of the few where women get richer im guessing,,,,

Chip

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If you are a top city professional on a basic salary of 300K a year, the government doesnt give your employer 150K to cover your six months full pay, they give them statuatory pay only as far as im aware, and company ends up out of pocket for the rest

DazS1Turbo

one things for certain there was no doubt before the Spice Girls

I blame them!

bud-weis

The most important thing for any sport is that it is competitive, if seperating groups by gender is the best way then so be it!

Chip

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So you dont even vaguely understand how an average works then I take it?

Chip

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Any sporting event is competitive if there is a selection process like at the olympics, or a league structure like football, if men and women were all in the same class for 100M sprint for example, it would be as competitive as it is now when you watched it, likewise if men and women had only one league structure for football the premiership would be just as competitive as it is now.

Ginge !

its cause they are too busy taking there director husbands to the cleaners in divorce to actually have time getting a carreer

alot of women in "mens jobs" tend to get them based on there "female" side rather than there actual ability

the ones who dont are the ones who,, well tend to be "iron ladys" as such i would imagine

Ginge !

its to do with how long in employment based on tax paied,, my missus got paied her wages and not min wage cause she was employed,,,,,,, it was payed from the government aswell not the employer as we SUED her old boss for the wages as he boss tried getting rid of her to avoid paying her maternity pay due to her working up till she was entitled to it rather than taking maternity when she first could,,,,, how else do you think i could afford to buy a sierra cosworth and run it working part time at halfords and buy a flat when we had a child when i was 25

mynew2

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I dont think it would be right, if you took a woman that is the same weight class as hatton and put them in a ring who would win, i guess hatton, as i think in general men are stonger than women, or even down to football, imagine what damage someone like gerrard or even terry lungeing in to a tackle on a lady, he would snap her leg, i think they have men and women only sports for a reason and that being there will always be a fair contest.

Paul_RS

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Very few women could do my job, they simply couldn't do the physical side of it. There are, as far as i know, no females do the same job as me in the UK. Where's equality there? Same with building trades - I've never once seen a woman on site!

They complain about getting equal pay, but in my opinion, unless they can perform in the job the exactly the same as men, they shouldn't get it.

They want anything thats in their favour, but won't take on the physical jobs.

bud-weis

It would stay competitive yes, but the same sports that are dominated by men, would still be dominated by men!

I can think of only 5 female footballers who would be good enough to play in the premier league on talent alone, whether they are strong enough or fit enough is another matter though.

The selection process would always err towards the better players first, which at the moment would be male 99% of the time...meaning women still wouldnt be involved.

Chip

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If they arent good enough, why should they be involved?

There isnt a seperate class in the olympics for people over 30 stone in weight for the running events, so those people who are crap arent represented, if women are all crap too, then they shouldnt be represented either.

Why should women get to the olympics event when men who are better than them dont?

alistairolsen

which brings us neatly around to what chip was getting at in the first place.

Paula Radcliffe wasnt good at marathons because shes a woman, she was good at amarathons in spite of being a woman. The only truly equal sport I can think of is single handed yacht racing. Ellen Macarthur won fair and square. of course if you take it to weight dependant clases its still divided at the Olympics!

I guess its the same as asking why we have fwd and rwd drag champs, or races with specific rules. Perhaps we should just have "races" and see who wins?

Chip

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If there are 100 spaces for runners at the olympics, they should go to the 100 best runners, not split it up as:

The best 50 white runners
The best 50 non white runners
Which would be racist and would be unfair on many black people who would be stopped from going to the event despite being better than some of the 50 whites attending

or
The best 50 men
The best 50 women
Which would be sexist and would be unfair on many male people who would be stopped from going to the event despite being better than some of the 50 female people attending

Ginge !

black people are PROVEN to have heavier bones so cant be competative at swimming due to the natural handy cap, its the actual reason for it

though we have black music awards,,,,,, so guess they wil just make the black swimming awards

jammerrs

i belive that if in running for example. if a woman can keep up with men then they should race, as they do with disability in the olympics and it should run like motorsport where anyone can enter but youve got to be good to be competative.

likewise i do not believe, and correct me if im wrong, women are genetically as strong as men, due to our 'hunter gatherer days'

however, women can not work in the submarines as if one of them is raped or harrased it can be monthes before they resurface so are not allowed on board, where as if a man is sexualy abused it is ok for them to be down there for months still suffering...i think not

jammerrs

yep

alistairolsen

and if we made white swimming awards we'd all be racist.

Chip

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As far as im aware we no longer have any black music awards, can you name one?
Obviously we have things like the MOBO, which is "music of black origins" and its perfectly possible for a white person to win it as well so is certianly not a black music award anymore.
In 2007 Amy whinehouse won Best Female for example.

bud-weis

I see what you're getting at now, im actually agreeing but it looks like im not! lol

Chip

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The reasons women arent allowed on submarines as far as im aware include the fact that no tests have been done on the effects of being submerged in a pressurised hull on unborn babies, and as women could potentially be pregnant that is a hurdle, so there is far more to it than if they get raped or not.

jammerrs

that may be true but i was always under the impression it was to do with issues of sexual harrasment

rog

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It's all bollocks, people LOOKING to get offended, now there's a statement for you!