stevieturbo

All wrinkle wall tyres had been banned for every TOTB event, and the Hooiser DR's with two stripes were also banned a few years ago.

Although I'm sure I seen a car with illegal Hoosiers on this year...maybe a Mazda ?

They did continue to allow the MT DR's and BFG DR's and also Nitto DR's. Which while soft compound drag orientated tyres, did have some sort of visible tread pattern, so could bluff as road tyres.
All still illegal for road use in the UK.

DOT is legal in the US, although oddly nearly every DOT race tyre, says not to be used on the highway lol
They are in no way legal for road use in the UK, as they dont carry an E Mark for European approval.

Chip

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Stevie, im aware of all that but im sure that ET Streets were on the allowed tyre list that everyone is allowed to run.

stevieturbo

You'd be surprised at the number of people attempting to build cars not solely for TOTB, but with it very much in mind hoping to win.

And entries would not fall for road cars. The list of entries will change, but it certainly will not fall. In fact, it would likely increase, as it would open teh event to a much much wider range of people, many on smalelr budgets.

The rich guys have plenty of places and tracks to race at, and they do so already.

In previous years, the list had to be capped at 120 cars, this year they didnt even make 100 entries.

Why....because many people or teams, feel their cars simply arent up to the standard where they can feel a part of the event, as now its full of rich kids etc taking over.

Why wasnt there a Ford team ?? There were certainly places ?

stevieturbo

Absolutely 100% Not, and never were after a few rows a few years ago.

NO wrinkle wall tyres allowed anywhere except drag class.

However, where some confusion lies is that the MT Drag Radial also bares the name ET Street drag radial.

2 very very different tyres though.

Chip

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IMHO because there isnt a manager trying to organise one, too many people have let TOTB drop out of their sites when it neednt have.

Ive started a thread about just that funnily enough mate, your input into it would be awesome

https://passionford.com/forum/genera...totb-team.html

Chip

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Yes thats correct, its the treaded ET street that is allowed, you are correct, I had forgotten there were more than one tyre with the same branding.

alistairolsen

ok, take this forum for example.

If you exclude the likes of:

Martins escos
AG's focus.
Daves escos
porkies old sierra,
etc

Thats leaves you with what?

Who on here (apart from rod) runs a car capable of a good performance in all three disciplines as a road car?

Even the low budget vauxhall fwd boys run stripped and caged on 'road legal' tyres and most of them are second cars.

Rare cases such as nigel with the fiat coupe exist, but are very far from common.

stevieturbo

Im not saying the entries have to be peoples only cars, of course not.

But also consider this, and we'll see when the results came out. Did all of the entrants take part in all 3 disciplines ?

Ive said it from day one....if they dont fully partake in all 3 events, they shouldnt be there at all, and should make way for someone who does wish to make the effort.

And entering to win ?? Another reality check there. I know I wont win, and I'm sure about 90% of the rest of entrants know they wont either.

5% are delusional and think they might, and the other 5% do have a chance.

It should be about taking part that matters though. For the most part...the richest person will win. Not in every class, but certainly at the upper end.

Chip

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The winner always does score in all 3 disciplines these days, as there are bonus points for scoring in all 3, so they are certainly encouraging people to do so mate.

alistairolsen

my point was, unless its an only car that needs to be practical, who the fuck has a second car, with performance worthy of TOTB and keep an interior in it?

Whn you build a track or drag car, romoving the interior is one of the cheapest and quickest mods to do and it hence usually one of the first!

Unless youre building with an event in mind (grpN rallying etc) no one keeps the interior.

Stoo

What Ross mate? Big crazy Ross?

wide ka

how much is to enter?

lloydmotorsport

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100 pounds this year,plus your expenses for the day,fuel/nos/ any breakages,

Luca

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Cheaper than a track day then

-beefy-

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for me id say wennys mk three is prob one of the closest to andys 9:51

after all hes ran a 10 flat , without the lc is had fitted and still tweaking the final maps ,

sling a shot of nitrous in there and i think on a good day he will gat into the mid 9s

Dicko&Vacant

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beefy wennys best time is a 10.61 which imo is a very long way off andys 9.5.

1 second in quarter mile racing is very hard to gain.

stevieturbo

depends on the level.

At 20sec 1/4, it isnt that hard to achieve.

To go from 10.5 to 9.5, is a mammoth task, and then some. In fact, to even get 0.5s off that time is a mission and a half.

carlo

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No mate thankfully couldnt take him anywhere like that

it was ross cree one of andys mates

Pardeep

Na i wouldn't want to see it done with NOS. I think that's what sets Dave, Martin and Andrew apart from Rods 200mph+ rocket is the fact that they don't need NOS to hit those Speeds and Times. Would love to see a 1000bhp+ YB or has that been done???

stevieturbo

1000+ YB has been done. I posted a graph a while back...although the turbo supplier who told me about it wouldnt tell me much more details. It was using something crazy like 60-70psi boost.


And the Malta drag cars must be making over 1000 to be trapping 170+ mph.

Pardeep

Carbon Fiber Focus and 1000bhp. 220mph?

stevieturbo

weight isnt an issue with top speeds. Although a heavier car might take longer to get there.

Its all about aerodynamics and power, and how much road.

Kevin Sharp

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sorry beefy but 10.6 is a country mile away from 9.5 as much as i love wennys car

stevie what times did you get with the granny this year?

it isnt a road car event anymore IMO.....well not proper road cars like it was on the first one

PF Dave

There are two that both run 7 second quarters at around 180mph - they are dedicated drag cars though so not exactly a fair comparison.

Awesome time Andrew! Well done

stevieturbo

Same as most years at Elvington, low 11's at high 130's

Best was something like 11.2 at 138, although I was just using 888's this year. I wasnt wasting any money buying tyres for the event...although it has scrubbed the 888's til they are pretty much done now.

After last year, no way was I risking damage to my new engine, so I wasnt pushing anything too hard.

Benni

You must be coming close to 220mph with a 1000bhp?

Benni.

Kev.H

if you dont have it what are you gonna build instead ? or you had enough ? ps awesome result well done

G60rallye

I have seen you post that graph a few times now chip and I thought that there might be more to it that just the nitrous giving all the extra performance. So on sunday I spotted Olly free for a couple of minutes so went over for a chat. I asked him what boost they were running at and he said 2.2bar off nitrous and 2.4bar with the nitrous. So obviously the cooling effect of the nitrous is making it possible for the extra boost but the whole gain from the graph is not directly down to the nitrous itself. Its not a case of fitting a 100bhp nitrous set up to AG's car and then getting the results from the graph. But with some more mapping to take advantage of it yes it would be amazing! Just thought it was worth adding to the thread.

Chip

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G60, the main difference isnt the peak boost, its the turbo spooling sooner that leads to the massive 300bhp @ wheels difference at 5K
Without the nitrous it physically couldnt do that.

G60rallye

Yes I can see that. But it wouldn't be 300bhp difference at the wheels without the changes to the map that has been made when the nitrous is on. As Olly told me 0.2 bar more boost and you would imagine pehaps other changes as well like ignition.

Just thought it worth adding to the thread thats its not simply fitting a 100bhp nitrous set up and then getting the results above thats all.

Chip

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Oh I see what you are saying, god yes obviously it will need a remap, as currently it wont have any values in the cells at the points its not yet making boost (well it will have best guesses I imagine but cant have been properly mapped for something it doesnt yet do!)