new police arrest technique
17-06-2009, 08:28 AM
#121
id love to see the police training and what they actually get taught, can see it now... right lads theres 4 of you on a drunk he has NO chance of going anywhere but hes wriggling about abit you need to start smashing him with a few punches then get the tazer and zap him abit more " boss what if that doesn't work? " then just smash him about abit more 
17-06-2009, 09:10 AM
#122
If the G20 guy was an isolated incident then yes the shove was excessive
however you are viewing it in isolation and it wasnt, there was about to be a riot involving several hundred people, the police need co-operation from those not involved and need to get minor irritants out of the way, for their own good.
They were quite right to shove the bloke out of the way, it was totally a situation of his own making, with an unfortunate ending. Why should ten officers of an understaffed force about to deal with a large and violent riot have to waste their time and resource to talk a man down just because he's being awkward and breaking the law by not co-operating with a policemans instruction?
however you are viewing it in isolation and it wasnt, there was about to be a riot involving several hundred people, the police need co-operation from those not involved and need to get minor irritants out of the way, for their own good.
They were quite right to shove the bloke out of the way, it was totally a situation of his own making, with an unfortunate ending. Why should ten officers of an understaffed force about to deal with a large and violent riot have to waste their time and resource to talk a man down just because he's being awkward and breaking the law by not co-operating with a policemans instruction?
17-06-2009, 09:27 AM
#124
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BUT the guy should have done as he was told, he was being awkward and as i've already alluded to, the police had a much bigger situation on their hands than an awkward little man trying to make a point
17-06-2009, 09:31 AM
#125
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What relevance does that have?
17-06-2009, 10:11 AM
#126
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Silly bint, "i dont see him resisting" what so laying there tucking his arms in and trying to kick the officers is complying with what the officers are saying is it??
if he stopped being a prick, stopped resisting and just put his hands behind his back he wouldnt of got the treatment he did.
Too many people out there on a friday night thinking there jonny concrete, as if the police aint got enough to deal with as well as pissed up knobs!!!!
if he stopped being a prick, stopped resisting and just put his hands behind his back he wouldnt of got the treatment he did.
Too many people out there on a friday night thinking there jonny concrete, as if the police aint got enough to deal with as well as pissed up knobs!!!!
lol @ jonny concrete... im gonna use that one lol
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17-06-2009, 10:29 AM
#129
so hes drunk and mouthing abit alot of people do, but whats wrong with an officer at each leg each arm throw him in the van not hard is it? instead they want to start tazering him like hes some kinda threat to someone? and then giving him a nice beating with there fists to as they dont seem to be able to control him LOL seriously..
17-06-2009, 10:32 AM
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so hes drunk and mouthing abit alot of people do, but whats wrong with an officer at each leg each arm throw him in the van not hard is it? instead they want to start tazering him like hes some kinda threat to someone? and then giving him a nice beating with there fists to as they dont seem to be able to control him LOL seriously..
And as for the tazer, at least he can tell his mates the following week what it was like. Good pub conversatipon imo
17-06-2009, 10:33 AM
#131
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so hes drunk and mouthing abit alot of people do, but whats wrong with an officer at each leg each arm throw him in the van not hard is it? instead they want to start tazering him like hes some kinda threat to someone? and then giving him a nice beating with there fists to as they dont seem to be able to control him LOL seriously..
17-06-2009, 10:40 AM
#132
like i said a man at each point and thrown in the van job done? is it really that hard ive seen it done time and time again with alot worse people so why was this so different? can you honestly say this was the best method?
1 drunk man vs how many trained cops? and they need to use the tazer gun are police really that useless
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17-06-2009, 11:30 AM
#134
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like i said a man at each point and thrown in the van job done? is it really that hard ive seen it done time and time again with alot worse people so why was this so different? can you honestly say this was the best method?
1 drunk man vs how many trained cops? and they need to use the tazer gun are police really that useless
1 drunk man vs how many trained cops? and they need to use the tazer gun are police really that useless
Obviously if they went round beating up innocent people for no reason then yes, i'd have a problem with them.
I think most coppers i've met and dealt with are aresholes bar the odd one or two, but I respect they have a job to do and have a certain way of doing it.
17-06-2009, 11:51 AM
#135
Speculating, as anyone that wasn't there can only do, the G20 victim maybe wasn't in the habit of being told what to do and due to a sense of personal pride.. didn't want to run away from the Police like a big girl, but instead, decided to walk away in as much of a non-confrontational way as he could. (steady pace, constant bearing, hands in pockets etc) IIRC, from the video, he was about to round the corner and shuffle off the left hand side of the screen when the Copper attacked him. At no point did he turn round and give the Police abuse, alter his pace, alter his course etc... it looked very much unprovoked.
The first video here shows the guy being a bit of a dick, but IMO the Cops were over-reacting when they Tazer'd him the 2nd time and started to use physical blows.
The second video on this thread shows the victim being gobby, probably using verbal abuse towards the officers, pointing at them.. possibly being threatening as well. However, when they turn and walk towards him (he might have crossed the line?), he runs away and falls over.. they dive on him to restrain him and arrest him. All fine up until this point IMO. He starts to resist once he gets his head banged on the ground, however, they seem to have the situation under control (2 officers on his back trying to cuff him) but the big boy up top starts to rub his face on the ground, which causes the guy to get an arm free to try and protect his face (you can see him putting his free hand under his face), which 100% no doubt, I would try and do as well since its human nature. It goes completely over the top when the twat starts to punch him, IIRC its 9 times he hits him, when the victim appears to be lying pretty motionless and resigned to his fate in the cells, causing no need for physical force any longer.
Cheers,
Grant
17-06-2009, 12:03 PM
#136
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He puts his point of view across perfectly, reading between the lines, I think he wants you to fuck off.
Speculating, as anyone that wasn't there can only do, the G20 victim maybe wasn't in the habit of being told what to do you have no choice when the police ask you to move and due to a sense of personal pride stupidity even.. didn't want to run away from the Police like a big girl, but instead, decided to walk away in as much of a non-confrontational it was confrontational as he'd ignored a direct order from a policeman way as he could. (steady pace, constant bearing, hands in pockets etc) IIRC, from the video, he was about to round the corner and shuffle off the left hand side of the screen when the Copper attacked him. At no point did he turn round and give the Police abuse, alter his pace, alter his course etc... it looked very much unprovoked. provoked by the action of ignoring an order from a policeman
The first video here shows the guy being a bit of a dick, but IMO the Cops were over-reacting when they Tazer'd him the 2nd time and started to use physical blows.
The second video on this thread shows the victim being gobby, probably using verbal abuse towards the officers, pointing at them.. possibly being threatening as well. However, when they turn and walk towards him (he might have crossed the line?), he runs away and falls over.. they dive on him to restrain him and arrest him. All fine up until this point IMO. He starts to resist once he gets his head banged on the ground, however, they seem to have the situation under control (2 officers on his back trying to cuff him) but the big boy up top starts to rub his face on the ground, which causes the guy to get an arm free to try and protect his face (you can see him putting his free hand under his face), which 100% no doubt, I would try and do as well since its human nature. It goes completely over the top when the twat starts to punch him, IIRC its 9 times he hits him, when the victim appears to be lying pretty motionless and resigned to his fate in the cells, causing no need for physical force any longer.That will teach him to struggle!
Cheers,
Grant
17-06-2009, 12:10 PM
#137
Basically yes.....the policemans intent wasn't to kill him...he pushed him over FFS.......it's a tradgedy, for both the guys family and the Policeman.
BUT the guy should have done as he was told, he was being awkward and as i've already alluded to, the police had a much bigger situation on their hands than an awkward little man trying to make a point
BUT the guy should have done as he was told, he was being awkward and as i've already alluded to, the police had a much bigger situation on their hands than an awkward little man trying to make a point
rather than the general view that he was minding his own business going home?
how does that make it ok for coppers on duty to remove their id numbers then?
17-06-2009, 12:11 PM
#138
Appreciate your additions, but I dont think we'll agree here... 
To me, ignoring an order to move would be to stop and voice your complaint directly at the source... not to aim for the exit point and walk off at a reasonable walking pace. You obviously feel differently.
I also think that reasonable force is justified.. and agree that the guy got what he deserved for being lippy, until the point of face rubbing and getting 9 punches which I would class as excessive force, which wasn't needed. Again, this line between reasonable/excessive force will vary from person to person.
Cheers,
Grant
To me, ignoring an order to move would be to stop and voice your complaint directly at the source... not to aim for the exit point and walk off at a reasonable walking pace. You obviously feel differently.
I also think that reasonable force is justified.. and agree that the guy got what he deserved for being lippy, until the point of face rubbing and getting 9 punches which I would class as excessive force, which wasn't needed. Again, this line between reasonable/excessive force will vary from person to person.
Cheers,
Grant
17-06-2009, 12:13 PM
#139
The second video on this thread shows the victim being gobby, probably using verbal abuse towards the officers, pointing at them.. possibly being threatening as well. However, when they turn and walk towards him (he might have crossed the line?), he runs away and falls over.. they dive on him to restrain him and arrest him. All fine up until this point IMO. He starts to resist once he gets his head banged on the ground, however, they seem to have the situation under control (2 officers on his back trying to cuff him) but the big boy up top starts to rub his face on the ground, which causes the guy to get an arm free to try and protect his face (you can see him putting his free hand under his face), which 100% no doubt, I would try and do as well since its human nature. It goes completely over the top when the twat starts to punch him, IIRC its 9 times he hits him, when the victim appears to be lying pretty motionless and resigned to his fate in the cells, causing no need for physical force any longer.
Cheers,
Grant
Cheers,
Grant
which is why he was giving them verbal in the first place?
17-06-2009, 12:19 PM
#140
Cheers,
Grant
well said
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