650+bhp engine now underway already
08-12-2004, 04:26 PM
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Brooomy no dig to you at all 
This is true DIY as its in my shed with just me and a Rottweiler
...plus i will be involved in the mapping 
Plus it will be my spec ...You will no doubt beat my effort as you have elected for a higher rpm than i will go....but i feel mine should be more reliable because of a lower RPM.....tbh you have never been mocked like i have...many beleive you are a pro...this for me will i hope promote my Bosch business from the bhp and speed acheived....i aint gonna be no track car!
This is true DIY as its in my shed with just me and a Rottweiler
...plus i will be involved in the mapping Plus it will be my spec ...You will no doubt beat my effort as you have elected for a higher rpm than i will go....but i feel mine should be more reliable because of a lower RPM.....tbh you have never been mocked like i have...many beleive you are a pro...this for me will i hope promote my Bosch business from the bhp and speed acheived....i aint gonna be no track car!
08-12-2004, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan
phil even i am not aim that high with my engine build
i was going to be a 600bhp engine, but then the costs and reliability issues are far greater than a 450-550 bhp engine.
So thats what i've set my sites on. Its a big margin but anywhere in there i will be happy as im speccing the can to handle the power well, i.e not just slap a 600bhp engine in a standard car and hope the car holds together.
Im going everthing right first time and doing it once. I.e Gearbox, Diff, Beam, Brakes, Suspension, Wheels.
maybe you should think about changing those 205 tyres of yours before you put this monster engine in.
can see the future thread titles now
i was going to be a 600bhp engine, but then the costs and reliability issues are far greater than a 450-550 bhp engine.
So thats what i've set my sites on. Its a big margin but anywhere in there i will be happy as im speccing the can to handle the power well, i.e not just slap a 600bhp engine in a standard car and hope the car holds together.
Im going everthing right first time and doing it once. I.e Gearbox, Diff, Beam, Brakes, Suspension, Wheels.
maybe you should think about changing those 205 tyres of yours before you put this monster engine in.
can see the future thread titles now
gearbox tremec
diff jag 10.5
beam zoo
brakes aps
suspentoin zoo and we are bilstein supplers now
08-12-2004, 04:28 PM
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FUCKING HELL 
Ryan do you honestly think Mike will attempt 200mph in a car running 205's and std brakes...if so you are more stupid than i thought
Ryan do you honestly think Mike will attempt 200mph in a car running 205's and std brakes...if so you are more stupid than i thought
08-12-2004, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch Man
Doug everyone...FUCKING READ THE F
IRST POST AHHHHHHHHH
Take note of the last bit in brackets 
IRST POST AHHHHHHHHH
GT35 with external wastegate complete for £1150 Is that a good price????...(obviously got to suss out specs i need)
regard to the topic title: In what way is the "650+bhp engine now underway already"
how is it "underway already" ??????????????
08-12-2004, 04:32 PM
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I am speccing the engine/brakes etc on paper...that is the first part of any major build no? Once sorted parts will arrive very quickly!
I can garantee you this....it wont be like everyone elses as in it takes em 5 years to build!Cash is allocated and just screaming to be spent
08-12-2004, 04:34 PM
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Brom / Ryan,
I have spoken to Phil and he seems genuinely prepared to change the parts required (I have insisted on adequate brakes). He even wants to put a Zoo beam and diff on , so I believe this is in order 
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Phil,
The spec of turbo that Vince is going to sell you is comfortable at about 610-620bhp, you would have top push it some to get 650 (but it is doo-able providing the rest of the hardware is suitable ) and 675 would have it on it's knees .
I have spoken to Phil and he seems genuinely prepared to change the parts required (I have insisted on adequate brakes)
. He even wants to put a Zoo beam and diff on , so I believe this is in order .Phil,
The spec of turbo that Vince is going to sell you is comfortable at about 610-620bhp, you would have top push it some to get 650 (but it is doo-able providing the rest of the hardware is suitable
) and 675 would have it on it's knees .
08-12-2004, 04:35 PM
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fair play Phil, 
but you would be soooooo much better off not shouting off the roof-tops about it, just build it on the quiet then bring it out once its done and surprise people good luck 
08-12-2004, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch Man
Brooomy no dig to you at all
This is true DIY as its in my shed with just me and a Rottweiler ...plus i will be involved in the mapping Plus it will be my spec ...You will no doubt beat my effort as you have elected for a higher rpm than i will go....but i feel mine should be more reliable because of a lower RPM.....tbh you have never been mocked like i have...many beleive you are a pro...this for me will i hope promote my Bosch business from the bhp and speed acheived....i aint gonna be no track car!
This is true DIY as its in my shed with just me and a Rottweiler
...plus i will be involved in the mapping Plus it will be my spec ...You will no doubt beat my effort as you have elected for a higher rpm than i will go....but i feel mine should be more reliable because of a lower RPM.....tbh you have never been mocked like i have...many beleive you are a pro...this for me will i hope promote my Bosch business from the bhp and speed acheived....i aint gonna be no track car!pro what
having worked on cozzys since yts days 15 yrs ago then yes i know a little about fords
but i mainly worked as panel beater for prestage motor company loads of welding and restoratoins
then i did my own thing workin on all cars self empoyed and did a bit of monky striping
then decided i wanted more that that so hence zoo
i cudnt call my self a pro but i know how to repair cars very well and welding is my best asset spelling is my worse and computers
even if rainbum drives the car u got to turn up we all need to meet the man behind the screen
08-12-2004, 04:39 PM
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Wil...as said by shouting it gets haters having a pop and i NEED this to keep my interest up enuff to do it...unfortunately i am easily bored as my car at present is IMO awesome but now i have virtually completed it i am bored and i aint even driven it much
As said i beleive this will be good for my Bosch buisiness as i want to expose it to the nation,like Mike exposes to little boys
As said i beleive this will be good for my Bosch buisiness as i want to expose it to the nation,like Mike exposes to little boys
Go Bosch Man
08-12-2004, 04:40 PM
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Brom / Ryan,
I have spoken to Phil and he seems genuinely prepared to change the parts required (I have insisted on adequate brakes). He even wants to put a Zoo beam and diff on , so I believe this is in order .
Phil,
The spec of turbo that Vince is going to sell you is comfortable at about 610-620bhp, you would have top push it some to get 650 (but it is doo-able providing the rest of the hardware is suitable ) and 675 would have it on it's knees .
I have spoken to Phil and he seems genuinely prepared to change the parts required (I have insisted on adequate brakes)
. He even wants to put a Zoo beam and diff on , so I believe this is in order .Phil,
The spec of turbo that Vince is going to sell you is comfortable at about 610-620bhp, you would have top push it some to get 650 (but it is doo-able providing the rest of the hardware is suitable
) and 675 would have it on it's knees . now what about these flowjet pumps for my gear box and diff
did u get my email
08-12-2004, 04:44 PM
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Brom..i met enuff of you lot to last me a life time
So you been doin it 15 years...well i got NO mechanical experience at all and have only been doin this since a got the Cossie around 2 years ago not even that!..In that time i have built/specced/mapped from a base map upto i'd say an estimated 440bhp...TBH i expect this effort will explode on the dyno but hey its worth a try aint it??????
So you been doin it 15 years...well i got NO mechanical experience at all and have only been doin this since a got the Cossie around 2 years ago not even that!..In that time i have built/specced/mapped from a base map upto i'd say an estimated 440bhp...TBH i expect this effort will explode on the dyno
but hey its worth a try aint it??????
08-12-2004, 04:47 PM
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BTW i am more inclined to go the Ahmed Grp A beam!..Not sure yet...whilst engine is running in the brakes and rear end will be thought about in depth!
So Mike you phoned Harvey and he told you that 650bhp is possible
So Mike you phoned Harvey and he told you that 650bhp is possible
08-12-2004, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch Man
do you honestly think Mike will attempt 200mph in a car running 205's and std brakes...if so you are more stupid than i thought
08-12-2004, 04:50 PM
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no immy read i did yts for ford 16-21 worked in all areas rs dealers, transits, big lorrys
it was good to learn a few things but got bored at 21 spinning oil filters alday on new cars i needed a change when i had technical grade 3 and automotive grades 1-5 so i went into body repair and welding
so engine buildin am still diy
it was good to learn a few things but got bored at 21 spinning oil filters alday on new cars i needed a change when i had technical grade 3 and automotive grades 1-5 so i went into body repair and welding
so engine buildin am still diy
08-12-2004, 04:56 PM
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Fair play Broomy....good luck with the engine rebuild...in no way is mine in any other competition to yours other than top speed in which it will be specced for....
Targets are 650bhp - 190mph - 8000rpm max rev ceiling
Apparently i should be able to gear it for 220mph
Phil,new outright price PLEASE NOTE i have an account with a couple of turbo places hence the trade price...you wouldnt get the same i hope 
Targets are 650bhp - 190mph - 8000rpm max rev ceiling
Apparently i should be able to gear it for 220mph
Phil,new outright price
PLEASE NOTE i have an account with a couple of turbo places hence the trade price...you wouldnt get the same i hope
08-12-2004, 05:04 PM
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No I found out that the GT35 that Vince is speccing is a 61lb per minute turbo.
http://not2fast.wryday.com/turbo/maps/
Check out the T61 - think it would be pretty good - and look at the flow of the T66
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No I found out that the GT35 that Vince is speccing is a 61lb per minute turbo
.http://not2fast.wryday.com/turbo/maps/
Check out the T61 - think it would be pretty good - and look at the flow of the T66
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08-12-2004, 05:09 PM
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How about a turbo with potentially 840bhp of compressor flow?
Choice of exhaust housings from .58 upto .98
Youl probably be the only person in the UK with one but proven in the USA, and i can get you one new for 5-600quid delivered im pretty sure.
Tho that might be too big
Choice of exhaust housings from .58 upto .98
Youl probably be the only person in the UK with one but proven in the USA, and i can get you one new for 5-600quid delivered im pretty sure.
Tho that might be too big
08-12-2004, 05:12 PM
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If 650bhp is ok from a GT35 then thats what it will be i guess...i think aiming for 700plus is a tad silly
Whats the T61 then??.....Lag wise/cost etc etc?
Whats the T61 then??.....Lag wise/cost etc etc?
08-12-2004, 05:23 PM
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Mock all you like but it will be YOU eating bollock pie
I can assure you this that when your all DIY and in the trade,things arnt inflated to out of reach!
I can assure you this that when your all DIY and in the trade,things arnt inflated to out of reach!
08-12-2004, 05:27 PM
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i can get parts cheaper mate, but "quality" doesnt come cheap
Here's a rough guess going by high street prices
Engine 6k starting from scratch say.
Turbo 1k
Brakes 1k+
Suspension and bushes £500
Beam £1k
Diff £1k
Box £1-2k
So thats about 12k and then add all the other litte bits, i.e wheels
another 1k including tyres for proper tyres.
So 13k and im sure it will cost more
Here's a rough guess going by high street prices
Engine 6k starting from scratch say.
Turbo 1k
Brakes 1k+
Suspension and bushes £500
Beam £1k
Diff £1k
Box £1-2k
So thats about 12k and then add all the other litte bits, i.e wheels
another 1k including tyres for proper tyres.
So 13k and im sure it will cost more
08-12-2004, 05:31 PM
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Thanks for your advice mate 
Maybe i should give up now cause i aint rich enuff or know the right contacts?
Worry bout your own car not mine mate......and i mean that in the nicest possible way!
Maybe i should give up now cause i aint rich enuff or know the right contacts?
Worry bout your own car not mine mate......and i mean that in the nicest possible way!
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You're an intriguing guy to those that don't know you Phil. You seem to have a pot of gold lying around..... and you change your mind more often than the weather changes!
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Originally Posted by Doug Stirling
Originally Posted by Bosch Man
Doug everyone...FUCKING READ THE F
IRST POST AHHHHHHHHH
Take note of the last bit in brackets
IRST POST AHHHHHHHHH
GT35 with external wastegate complete for £1150 Is that a good price????...(obviously got to suss out specs i need)
regard to the topic title: In what way is the "650+bhp engine now underway already"
how is it "underway already" ??????????????
I would of thought that to have it underway all he needs is a block sat at home and a list of possible parts
Good luck Phil with the project
08-12-2004, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch Man
FUCKING HELL
Ryan do you honestly think Mike will attempt 200mph in a car running 205's and std brakes...if so you are more stupid than i thought
Ryan do you honestly think Mike will attempt 200mph in a car running 205's and std brakes...if so you are more stupid than i thought
Will need around 800bhp to beat the Topspeed record Phil, better start a re-Spec already.
Rod
08-12-2004, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch Man
FUCKING HELL
Ryan do you honestly think Mike will attempt 200mph in a car running 205's and std brakes...if so you are more stupid than i thought
Ryan do you honestly think Mike will attempt 200mph in a car running 205's and std brakes...if so you are more stupid than i thought
This should keep Phil centre stage for a couple of years before he does another 'U' turn & does something completely different.
How about a Skyline engine in a Nissan Micra Phil.
Rod
08-12-2004, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan
i can get parts cheaper mate, but "quality" doesnt come cheap
Here's a rough guess going by high street prices
Engine 6k starting from scratch say.
Turbo 1k
Brakes 1k+
Suspension and bushes £500
Beam £1k
Diff £1k
Box £1-2k
So thats about 12k and then add all the other litte bits, i.e wheels
another 1k including tyres for proper tyres.
So 13k and im sure it will cost more
Here's a rough guess going by high street prices
Engine 6k starting from scratch say.
Turbo 1k
Brakes 1k+
Suspension and bushes £500
Beam £1k
Diff £1k
Box £1-2k
So thats about 12k and then add all the other litte bits, i.e wheels
another 1k including tyres for proper tyres.
So 13k and im sure it will cost more
08-12-2004, 07:46 PM
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i know brom that was going for average parts at cheap prices.
Breaks for a proper car your look at 2k front and rear.
Suspension closer to 600-700
Turbo £1500-2000 including extrernal gate annd work needed.
so its just gone up another 2k+
This is why i decided not to go done this route the price jump is huge.
Breaks for a proper car your look at 2k front and rear.
Suspension closer to 600-700
Turbo £1500-2000 including extrernal gate annd work needed.
so its just gone up another 2k+
This is why i decided not to go done this route the price jump is huge.
