aaron2136

hi i'v got a ford p100 powered by a 24v cosworth lump. but would like to make it faster without spending s*it loads of money. wot do you think would be the best way to do this??????

thanks

Daveysaff

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If its the earlier BOA engine, the cams from the later BOB engine are quite a popular upgrade?

2saffs

As are Vauxhall Vectra injectors, if you click the link in my siggy then there are how to sections on both of these upgrades on the website.

Kevin Sharp

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rip it out and stick a YB in it

alanfordtw-15

two cylinders too little though
and i have a yb

JohnnyB

They like a little more fuel, so as above with the injectors or add a little more fuel pressure to the rail.

Rab

Nitrous!!!!!!! WHoooooosh!

foreigneRS

forget it and sell it to me

The Youth.

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where? I had a look and couldn't find them!

steve

2saffs

You may have to register to open the section, its under 24v, how to.... in engines section

Jim Galbally

i would reccomend you dont spend money on tuning it actually. you get very little gains for a lot of investment.

the for thst of getting 10bhp out of it you could replace it with a YB and gain 100

ive been there, done that, learnt my lesson

i'd go for: exhaust, filter, chip

then leave it. itll make a nice car to drive thats pretty quick and makes a nice noise

JohnnyB

hmmm there is other ways.

make a single turbo manifould get a cheap T4 replica from easter europe ad some poxal injectors add more pressure on the rail. make sure the boost pressure is no hirgher than 8psi.

300 bhp and 300 torque.


look it will have loads of over fueling before boost and getting very lean on boost.

I have driven a home made one and it was great fun.


would not use it every day though lol

aaron2136

ha thourgh about it and the answer is no.

aaron2136

already got exhaust and filter keep looking to get it cheap but dont know where will to best any ideas?????

aaron2136

i take it the vauxhall vectra injectors have to be the v6 one's??????
do you have to change the plug's or anythink or are they just a straight swop???

Jim Galbally

www.motorsport-developments.co.uk for the chip

2saffs

Yes mate V6 ones, theres a step by step guide on the website in my sig, you may need to join to view the right section thou... its pretty straight forward

Jim Galbally

i would advise against globally changing the fueling of the car by changing the fuel system.

infact it's just a bad idea full stop and i have no idea why people are advising it.

the standard fuel system can cope with the requirements of the engine even in modified form. a remap (ie chip as you wont need anything custom/live on a standardish engine) will release the potental you already have

JohnnyB

jim, a 24v is a throw away engine, mostly used for cheap track cars and missing about.

they don't a poo if its fueled correctly all I know they produce more power with more fuel globaly, yes it does not make it drive better, but we are not driving Mis daisy.

Jim Galbally

johnny, explain to me then how and why and i will concede.

i am confident your advise is bad, so please explain it to this guy why youre telling him to do it

JohnnyB

I cannot tell you why, I have seen a power run with poxal injectors and a power run with out.

the poxal injectors produced 11 bhp more. edit I must admit it was cooler later on that afternoon.

secondly my car when we had a rolling road session my car made 8 bhp more than the others and I had a uprated fuel reg.


I would like to just add to this, yes a remap will produce more power and drive better, but second hand poxal injectors work out much cheaper.

lee2cossies

iTrader: (2)

seen a green mk1 capri 24v with dave emerald management system which made a big difference put power up to 275hp.Was at central day running low 13s all day long without missing a beat.

Jim Galbally

the management wont give you power tho. my 24v made 205 on emerald and 205 on an MSD chip

the only reason to move to aftermarket management is when you have modded the engine in such a way the standard managemtn cannot cope.

andy escos

iTrader: (1)

Put a 16 valve cossy in it lol:dd:

aaron2136

that aint cheap then is it???? i'm looking for abit more power without paying s*it loads of money. i dunno wot to do mind you cause some ppl say uprate the injections system and the reg. some say dont. who do i listen to?????

2saffs

I know of at least 4 cars with 24v BOA that have had vectra injectors and BOB cams fitted, all are serviced reguarly and all are running fine to this day. Neither will harm your engine if its in good shape to start with. Both are popular mods on this engine...

Taps

Simple enough m8 JohnnyB/2saffs, go talk to the 24V'ers on Poweredbyford or Fordpower then you wont get others telling you others are talking rubbish.

Jim Galbally

taps, hold on so as long as people give out bad advise that isnt corrected its safe to go with?

if i went to www.crazymtherfuckers.com and asked if it's ok to shoot people and they said ok then that means i should?

Taps

To be honest Jim I cant see the point, blokes asked for advise and his had replies then you say there wrong when in fact IMO there not, do you go to the Vet when your ill or do you go to the doctor.

If you want advise on 24V's you go to the 24V people, who have been there, done it, made mistakes, learnt by them, over come them and will give you the FACTS on what will and what wont make them better then standard, same as anyone with a YB would come here for the exact same reasons.

What his asked for is advise not to get into a my cocks bigger then your cock back and forth conversation.

Jim Galbally

ok then my cocks smaller than your cock

but changing the injectors for different sized ones and/or modifying the fuel pressure without making any other alterations to the engine is a bad idea. FACT.

find me one person who genuinely understands the subject matter 100% who says otherwise and i'll eat my own turd...

happy?

doctor stavros

Jim, I agree, the safest way to do the above, ie; increasing the fuelling, would be to go blown, only a few psi (preferably <8psi) so as to put a whole load more air in there to give a reasonable mixture

foreigneRS

i'm with jim on this one, he knows his stuff when it comes to this sort of thing and has been there and done it and learnt from it it's not rocket science to know that a remap is a far better solution to add fuel only where needed rather than everywhere

dojj

iTrader: (3)

the standard ecu won't fuel for boost though beyond a few psi

Taps

So using the vauxhall injectors as far as your concerned is all about adding more fuel is it, wrong, yes they flow just about 10% more but thats not what its all totally about, aint changed much over the years have you Jim i bet the Vet loves your visits lol

2saffs

Ok, a remap would be a good thing to do, but did this guy not ask for cheap easy mods to gain some power, so up the fuelling a little with injectors that can be fitted himself, total cost about 40 quid, or a remap at ....... well im not actually sure lol but i bet its more than 40 quid!
Like I said ive seen a few of them done and they run just fine

graham c

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just bolt some gas on it should take 100 shot ! easy

aaron2136

ok thanks for all the advice ppl. i'm going on a rolling road over the weekend to see wot the truck's runnning at. then i'll be fitting a set of injectors which i'v already brought. and cams when i find a set. and be putting it back on rolling road to see wot improvment it's made. does any1 know where i can find a set of bob cams?? looked on ebay but no luck.

Taps

Way to go arron, BOB cams you just need to keep looking, when you find as set make sure they have the timing washers with them and they are not only stamped with the Cam number but they all also have 95 stamped on them, if not walk away from them.

Jim Galbally

taps, please explain in technical detail what it is about then. i know a fair ammount about injectors and i'm pretty sure you just made that up

xr_craig

iTrader: (2)

I'm with Jim on this one, it sounds like a stupid idea. You lot have already said it will over fuel so it can't work properly.

Just because you all say it does doesn't mean that it's right. No one has actually given proof to show why/how it works.

Surely an extra injector controlled by a pressure switch would solve that?

Anyway, fuck this, i'm off to fit a set off greys to my 1.1 Saxo