gingerman

mk5
anything major i should now about these?
im after a cheap track car
or would a puma be better as im a fat fucker lol

Robs Frst

If your big then go for the Fiesta.
But I would prefer the Puma as a track car.

It's Czech Mate

Same car bar the shape and engine

Renew all bushes, especially lower front arm/ARB and rear beam bushes

They dont handle on bigger wheels or too low ( more than -20mm )

Easily tuneable to 150bhp with shawspeed ss2/s4 cams, rod bolts, valve springs and a remap........standard inlet and the usual 4-2-1 manifold and exhaust.

Change oil regularly and they're pretty bombproof....especially the phase 2 ( y plate onwards as a rule but distinguished by a black rocker cover )

Anymore questions please ask.

ps, they eat coilpacks too, but a cheap and easy fix.......my road car was as much fun as you can have with your clothes on on a b road

gingerman

what about engine conversions?
focus rs maybe has it been done?
and parts availability?

It's Czech Mate

standard parts are cheap and plentifull


Engine conversions, you can take your pick, i've seen ZT, CVH turbo, FRS but the best IMO is to tune the tits off the 1.6 in it...its an all alloy, lightweight 16v, and the ports are big enough for 200bhp as standard.....its the engine of choice in stuff like caterhams etc now because it's so light and tuneable.

A heavy engine would ruin the handling IMO and power doesnt = fun or necessarily laptimes on track.

I'd go with new bushes, solid mounted rear beam, adjustable TCA's and some -20mm Ford racing dampers with eibach springs, a lower front strut brace and mondeo 300mm brakes or cossie 4wd calipers/2wd discs and take it from there

Cheap and fun

gingerman

top man Mondeo man
i used to have a stripped out 206 sold it now i miss all the noise and vibrations lol
what about cages?
id love a proper multi point weld in jobby
i have a budget of 2K for the car and then ill upgrade as i go along

It's Czech Mate

i'd say jsut spend the Ł2k on as good a car as you can get and a full oil/fluids service and then like you say, upgrade as you go.

Lower front strut brace from OMP is only about Ł20 and is the best value handling mod i made on mine.

Replacing all the tired bushes, especially the rear beam ones will make a huge difference tho...

gingerman

whats been done to yours Mr mondeo
i was toying with a puma as ive heard there awesome handling

It's Czech Mate

The puma and z-s are the same car, the only difference is the puma has a very slightly stiffer shell.....altho the z-s shell believe it or not is stiffer than other fiestas and is bespoke for that model!

they share identical running gear and the only real difference is the engine, altho both respond in the same way to the tuning!


I sold mine a while ago but i had

4-2-1 and a magnex zaust, with a piper foam panel in the standard airbox

Solid insert front lower arm bushes, FRP ARB bushes, solid insert rear beam bushes and the rest of the bushes new ford items ( to retain some ride quality )

I had -20mm eibach springs and ford racing dampers ( i think rebranded sachs? ) and the lower strut brace. I tried the upper and it did nothing, and I tried the rear turret brace but it made it too stiff and prone to 'snap' oversteer'

that was all, bar a puma gear knob ( compulsory! lol ) and some Ford Racing Sparco Seats. I absolutely loved the rev happy little bugger.

Not the fastest thing ever but on a good set of toyo's it was pretty fun on a b road and I thraped it everywhere, never let me down at all.

track would require a slight brake upgrade to hotter pads and some camber adjustment on the front and maybe a little more of a drop as just a basic start.

matts1

steer clear of phase 1's with the ally rocker cover engine, WAY TO MANY seem to let go at around 50k, ok you may get lucky but with so many going, it aint worth the risk.

Lots of people say "that's not common, mines fine" and funny enough, have seen the same people a few months later saying "my engine is making a loud knocking noise and using loads of oil"

gingerman

whats the differences between phase 1 and 2?

It's Czech Mate

enginewise mechanially, nothing bar a tad more crank end float.......its the same 1.6 as found in millions of fiesta/focus/fusion's around the world...........but you only hear about the failures........usually people who dont service every 10k and dont check the oil level till it's too late in my experience.......having spent 4 years or so on zsoc.com the majority of failures happend to cars that weren't sympathetically cared for IME

gingerman

what do you think of this?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1000157.htm

Escy

I think you should get something like this, http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/987158.htm

It's Czech Mate

looks ok for a track car..prolly needs a darn good service and going over and the rust looking at, but if it's just a track car then game on, for a road car i'd look at something a bit smarter




ps, am loving the Levin above

gingerman

thanks everyone im looking at some this weekend
ill keep you updated

OldDan

Nice one here, bit out of your budget but it's all already been done.. Few things I'd change though.

1.6 sigma engine
ss3 inlet cam
ss4 exhaust cam
HD valve springs
Bigger inlet valves
pocked pistons
big end bolts
jenvey thorttle bodies
magnacore HT leads in blue
iridum plugs
full set of blue samcos
fuel pressure regulator
2.0l injectors

300mm focus st170 disks
mk3 mondeo callipers
Fitted under standard zs wheels painted black

Ford racing puma gearbox
shawspeed lighted flywheel
helix clutch

Miltek 4 2 1 manifold
Miltek De Cat
Piper Cat Back

Witec GTN suspenshion
3mm spacers on the front
20.5 on the rear

Inside

Ford racing puma seats
Sparco subframes
3 point sablet harnesses
OMP track steering wheels ( red and black )
no back seats







Ł4695

OldDan

They are great cars though and really only need a little bit more to be a brilliant car for sunday thrashes!

gingerman

that looks ace not alot of room in the bay is there so much for the rs idea lol
what would you change then

OldDan

The suspension, I'd have some camber adj arms on there.

Also I'd sell the FRP seats for the Ł600 they're worth as well as the 3 points and get some proper buckets and harnesses in there.

It's Czech Mate

Spot on IMO

Good car that.....specially if you knock him down a bit......would save a fortune over doing it yourself

gingerman

i miss my bucket seats they were annoying as fuck when i first had them
but you grow odly used to them
but Ł600 for second hand seats!!!!

It's Czech Mate

I sold mine for more than that

gingerman

jesus whats so special about them?
im now put off pumas because of what i saw last night ive never seen a spoiler that big in my life lol

Ed1

That fezza looks mint, you cant use that on a track

gingerman

why not thats what its for lol

OldDan

Oh and I did the engine work on it - so you know it's gonna be OK

gingerman

no free advertising there is there dan lol

OldDan

Nope! not many ZS owners on here!