danish scientist Niels Harrit, on nano thermite in the WTC dust
18-04-2009, 05:39 PM
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when i go to work on monday ill inform the site agent that theres no need to firecladd the steelwork anymore as someone on the internet posted up a conspiracy youtube vid that proves fire has no effect to a buildings structural stability..
im sure the building regulations people will also see the error of their ways and construction practices will be altered accordingly.
im sure the building regulations people will also see the error of their ways and construction practices will be altered accordingly.
just showing your ignorance really, you made a comment i was just showing you a video which shows your comments weren't right
18-04-2009, 05:48 PM
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the fires mentioned in that youtube vid seem to be missing any large jumbo jets crashing into them.
a combination of the fire distorting the steel and the jet collapsing the supports contributed to the failure on that impact floor causing the floors above to fall onto the floor below.
each floor was designed to carry 1300 tons of extra weight, each floor would have weighed around 4500 tons so the 10 floors or so above crashing down would be a much greater load than each floor could carry causing the pancake collapse effect.
if concrete and steel buildings dont burn why is every single one thats built fireclad around all the steelwork?
its all been said already .
a combination of the fire distorting the steel and the jet collapsing the supports contributed to the failure on that impact floor causing the floors above to fall onto the floor below.
each floor was designed to carry 1300 tons of extra weight, each floor would have weighed around 4500 tons so the 10 floors or so above crashing down would be a much greater load than each floor could carry causing the pancake collapse effect.
if concrete and steel buildings dont burn why is every single one thats built fireclad around all the steelwork?
its all been said already .
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18-04-2009, 05:54 PM
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the fires mentioned in that youtube vid seem to be missing any large jumbo jets crashing into them.
a combination of the fire distorting the steel and the jet collapsing the supports contributed to the failure on that impact floor causing the floors above to fall onto the floor below.
each floor was designed to carry 1300 tons of extra weight, each floor would have weighed around 4500 tons so the 10 floors or so above crashing down would be a much greater load than each floor could carry causing the pancake collapse effect.
if concrete and steel buildings dont burn why is every single one thats built fireclad around all the steelwork?
its all been said already .
a combination of the fire distorting the steel and the jet collapsing the supports contributed to the failure on that impact floor causing the floors above to fall onto the floor below.
each floor was designed to carry 1300 tons of extra weight, each floor would have weighed around 4500 tons so the 10 floors or so above crashing down would be a much greater load than each floor could carry causing the pancake collapse effect.
if concrete and steel buildings dont burn why is every single one thats built fireclad around all the steelwork?
its all been said already .
18-04-2009, 05:58 PM
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the building wasnt built to withstand a jet impact. there was no proof that in fact had been implemented during construction according to stuff ive read .
18-04-2009, 06:01 PM
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Aye the Pan Cake affect is Viable but the inner structure should have stood .. Came down near free fall speed ..
Seen Pictures of the Colums cut at 30% .. Classic Controled demo techniques.
Seen Pictures of the Colums cut at 30% .. Classic Controled demo techniques.
18-04-2009, 06:04 PM
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18-04-2009, 06:07 PM
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These days it's the deniers and pisstakers which sound like the fruit loops. People like rich_w insulting everyone (and a few on this post), because people won't align themselves to their point of view.
These days I can't be bothered to argue 9/11 to people. There's no point. Most people have made there mind up now one way or another. To those that think we haven't been told the whole truth, we are labelled as "nutters" by those that are in denial that govenrments ever lie or decieve, or even actively try to harm there own citizens. And to those who do beleive it was 19 arabs on their own, well, they have "official" reports, and the worlds media on there side.
See the usual tactics going on here. The link to the Thermite page on 9/11 myths. Does it mention anything about nano thermite? can terrorists make nano thermite?
These days I can't be bothered to argue 9/11 to people. There's no point. Most people have made there mind up now one way or another. To those that think we haven't been told the whole truth, we are labelled as "nutters" by those that are in denial that govenrments ever lie or decieve, or even actively try to harm there own citizens. And to those who do beleive it was 19 arabs on their own, well, they have "official" reports, and the worlds media on there side.
See the usual tactics going on here. The link to the Thermite page on 9/11 myths. Does it mention anything about nano thermite? can terrorists make nano thermite?
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18-04-2009, 06:07 PM
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this is going around and around in circles and still yet ive not heard a reason why this happened. why would the american government kill thousands of its own citizens on home soil and offer a huge propaganda coup to al quieda?
18-04-2009, 06:17 PM
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18-04-2009, 06:20 PM
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how much money? bearing in mind the obscene amounts of billions theyve just given out to prop up banks and car industies?
ive an open enough mind but as yet ive not seen anything other than spurious scientist findings and you tube links to media produced films. and we all know how honest reporters and media people are.
although i have seen just as many youtube links that counteract the conspiracy theories and read many official and slighly more credible findings to plausibly explain how it happened.
ive an open enough mind but as yet ive not seen anything other than spurious scientist findings and you tube links to media produced films. and we all know how honest reporters and media people are.
although i have seen just as many youtube links that counteract the conspiracy theories and read many official and slighly more credible findings to plausibly explain how it happened.
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18-04-2009, 06:20 PM
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18-04-2009, 06:23 PM
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18-04-2009, 06:25 PM
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how much money? bearing in mind the obscene amounts of billions theyve just given out to prop up banks and car industies?
ive an open enough mind but as yet ive not seen anything other than spurious scientist findings and you tube links to media produced films. and we all know how honest reporters and media people are.
ive an open enough mind but as yet ive not seen anything other than spurious scientist findings and you tube links to media produced films. and we all know how honest reporters and media people are.
Have you seen the flicks Loose change and Zegheist? I know they are Movies/Films but they question things that havent been explained or proven either way.
18-04-2009, 06:26 PM
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according to a report i read, that ill try to find again, originally that was considered but there was no actual proof it had been carried out prior or during construction.
i wasnt there obviously so i cant say 100% that this is infact true.
i wasnt there obviously so i cant say 100% that this is infact true.
18-04-2009, 06:29 PM
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How many world trade centres have you guys crashed planes into?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/beijing-...deafening.html
18-04-2009, 06:32 PM
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they can also say what they want BUT i will never get my head around how planes were allowed to get so close without been stopped
18-04-2009, 06:40 PM
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bush is an idiot, thats not even arguable but i think you answer your own question. failing to hold proper investigations covers up their incompetence at failing to stop these attacks in the first place and other failing such as why didnt they shoot the planes down before impact plus i believe that the government will have used the situation to their advantage after it unfolded to 'bury' anything else they didnt want coming out.
18-04-2009, 06:41 PM
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If I read that correctly, you're saying that sometimes you have to take some people's word as gospel without actually verifying the facts? If that's the case, then no, I utterly disagree. You have to look at all the information available from all sides of the argument before you can make as bold a statement as many are making here.
But unfortunately, some individuals hear a number of exciting sounding conspiracy theories, and decide that they like those version of the 'truth' and then recite it as if it were an unarguable fact.
But unfortunately, some individuals hear a number of exciting sounding conspiracy theories, and decide that they like those version of the 'truth' and then recite it as if it were an unarguable fact.
What the hell are you basing the 'truth' on?
18-04-2009, 06:41 PM
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18-04-2009, 06:43 PM
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bush is an idiot, thats not even arguable but i think you answer your own question. failing to hold proper investigations covers up their incompetence at failing to stop these attacks in the first place and other failing such as why didnt they shoot the planes down before impact plus i believe that the government will have used the situation to their advantage after it unfolded to 'bury' anything else they didnt want coming out.
18-04-2009, 06:51 PM
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yes but you know how politicians work, theres not one that would stand up and say "sorry, all those thousands of people died because we made mistakes".
18-04-2009, 07:03 PM
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I have never really looked into the happenings of 9/11 but I have so far been interested in reading this thread. Supposedly molten steel was seen dripping from the building just before it collapsed???
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18-04-2009, 07:23 PM
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This is why there called conspiracy theories,it aint fact, just peoples theories and opinions,loose change was made by a few hicks in a backwards town how can people really consider it as fact? Been thread after thread on here saying its all an inside job etc, You tube is the wealth of fact lol shame the governments dont look at it and get answers lol
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18-04-2009, 07:33 PM
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18-04-2009, 07:35 PM
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Aye a load of bollocks lol.There was stuff posted in that thread that the theorists could not reply to and just shut up. You could have facts in black and white and the conspiracists would still argue it. Half the reasons they come up wiv in these videos were put there by conpiracy theorists lol wiv exaggerated truths
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18-04-2009, 08:38 PM
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Aye a load of bollocks lol.There was stuff posted in that thread that the theorists could not reply to and just shut up. You could have facts in black and white and the conspiracists would still argue it. Half the reasons they come up wiv in these videos were put there by conpiracy theorists lol wiv exaggerated truths
It's more about the dynamics created and the precents set, not small specifics.
18-04-2009, 08:44 PM
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Loose Change epitomizes what's so farsical about the 9/11 conspiracies. It is utterly riddled with flaws and gaping lies. Even the conspiracists distance themselves from it!!!
Just because someone makes a slick looking video it doesn't make it 'fact'. There are some utterly compelling theories about but there is pretty much always a straightforward explanation.
All these YouTube clips are just the same, they appear credible but do some more research before posting them as if they're a 100% guarentee of fact.
18-04-2009, 08:49 PM
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Which theory am I 'candidly dismissing'? Im as up for a good bit of conspiracy as much as the next man, but I've seen nothing that has made me suspicious. I've looked into the story a lot as I find the whole idea of hysterical conspiracies fascinating. My truth is based on my understanding of the facts.
18-04-2009, 08:53 PM
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Aye well all this aside .. Still No explanation for some of the events that day .. Like the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon? Just a flash .. ?
People didnt just shout Conspig for nothing ...
Just cannot argue that some of the events are shaddy to say the least.
People didnt just shout Conspig for nothing ...
Just cannot argue that some of the events are shaddy to say the least.
18-04-2009, 09:15 PM
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Loose Change epitomizes what's so farsical about the 9/11 conspiracies. It is utterly riddled with flaws and gaping lies. Even the conspiracists distance themselves from it!!!
Just because someone makes a slick looking video it doesn't make it 'fact'. There are some utterly compelling theories about but there is pretty much always a straightforward explanation.
All these YouTube clips are just the same, they appear credible but do some more research before posting them as if they're a 100% guarentee of fact.
Just because someone makes a slick looking video it doesn't make it 'fact'. There are some utterly compelling theories about but there is pretty much always a straightforward explanation.
All these YouTube clips are just the same, they appear credible but do some more research before posting them as if they're a 100% guarentee of fact.
all the links between the bush family and bin laden family are all FACT
all the clips of the president lying are FACT
the clip of the mayor lying is FACT
the clip of the mayor telling them to " pull " WT7 are FACT
bush not wanting an independant investigation is FACT
the commision report choosing not to answer 70% of the familys questions is FACT
could go on if i could be bothered with it but while abit of it is questionable you cant deney theres ALOT of unanswered questions and lies that have gone on and your wondering why people doubt it?
18-04-2009, 09:19 PM
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Which theory am I 'candidly dismissing'? Im as up for a good bit of conspiracy as much as the next man, but I've seen nothing that has made me suspicious. I've looked into the story a lot as I find the whole idea of hysterical conspiracies fascinating. My truth is based on my understanding of the facts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kxE6lftTWU
you dont find that sus either?
18-04-2009, 09:24 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzUNvEfYDEQ
have you noticed what all the people are saying in this one?
and in this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzbVn3o8JNE
actual witnesses saying it wasn't a commercial plane, very odd
have you noticed what all the people are saying in this one?
and in this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzbVn3o8JNE
actual witnesses saying it wasn't a commercial plane, very odd
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