Chip

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Took Doug Stirling's escos out for a bit of a blat the other night.

Its about 530bhp ish I believe, fixit box, all the usual bits and pieces etc, NMS mapped on a GT30, really nice conversion.
(essentially the same as porkies old 3 door ended up)

Cant get over what a "finished" product it feels like, really does feel like its very capable of handling that power with ease now, no drama or fuss, and TBH its quick enough that I just couldnt really see that I would ever need anymore anywhere on the road realistically, ok so down the motorway more power will always be better if thats your thing, but I never go at those speeds anyway so thats of no interest to me, its all about a and b roads to me really for road cars most of the time.

What sort of power does everyone reckon is the "right" amount for a road going escos that does plenty of miles etc?

I cant help but think that without going stroker on the engine, it would be impossible to really improve on Doug's car now, which was the same opinion I had after driving porkies.

I really do think that the 3076 and a 4wd YB is just a perfect combination!

RWD_cossie_wil

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Not having had the chance to go in Dougs car yet (although the invite has been there ), I think you reach the point of diminishing returns.... As said, do you REALLY need 600+BHP on the road? 500Bhp, and loads of torque and drivability would be a much nicer package to drive overall.

A few Escorts are at this stage now, Dougs, AJC's monte, Paul Rips etc etc, and I think you have hit the nail on the head chip, it works very well as a package .. Can't wait to get mine back on the road again

Chip

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Yeah Ive seen quite a few cars starting to emerge at roughly the same spec, seems like quite a few people are coming to the same conclusion!

Mike C

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Stage 3 for an everyday road car. Don't see why you'd need any more than that.

Maria.

Lee's Sierra was PERFECTION as far as im concerned.. you could drive it to the shops, you could have a jaunt down some county lanes and you can thrash the pants off it on the track!

Absolutely fantastic engine.

Chip

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For RWD I reckon thats about right, but in an escos I think stage 3 is really tedious TBH

Mike C

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It's not going to be that thrilling, but for an everyday driver, it's going to be usable power, and still enjoyable for an everyday car.

Have you seen the latest Redline? What would you think to that Scooby on the cover as a daily driver, out of interest?

Chip

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If you are talking about just to sit in traffic on my way to work and back then my audi diesel manages that.

What adavantage (other than initial lower investment) do you think that a stage 3 car has over a well specced gt3076 engine though?
you seem to be missing my point that its still as civilised day to day as a stage 3 car during the week, but with awesome grunt when you want it at the weekend, ie there is no downside to it.

Not seen it yet.

rsnissan

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whats cost on all the transmission bits for the car, and is it now pretty much bullet proof?

Mike C

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If that really is the case, then that sounds like the perfect spec.

I would have expected it to have been a little too lairy for everyday road use. But if you've got no more lag, it doesn't use any more fuel and it's just as easy to drive as a stage 3, then of course it's preferable. But in that case, why ask the question, lol?

Stage 3 is still going to be popular though, as it's very cheap for decent performance

Chip

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I'd guess he has done about 5K on transmission, its a fixit kit, not sure Id go as far as bullet proof but certainly close.
and unlike the mullet box, its not intrusively noisey either, so thats very livable day to day.

Chip

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Different people have a different idea of what constitutes enough power, so just thought it would be interesting to see what people felt

The problem with a decent stage 3 (which to me is 380bhp or so) is that it still risks the gearbox on a 4wd cossie.
stage 3 rocks for a rwd car on a standard beam though, anymore is actually quite dangerous unless you have big reserves of talent

mechanic28

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how about,


T4 turbo with mar-am 247 shaft
AH fabrications intercooler
Air injector
Wasted spark conversion
Closed loop fueling
Brand new engine loom
Touring car spec head,
BD16/14 cams,
Blue verniers,
isky double valve springs,
WRC 4 layer headgasket
New 200 block,
6 wrc long studs 4 std head bolts,
7:2-1 compression
Mahle pistons
ARP rod bolts
Fully balanced and lightened bottom end (not too light)
4 paddle clutch
Big wing sump
Siemens 1000cc injectors
L8 ecu with ANTI-LAG and LAUNCH CONTROL
Glebe straight cut T5 gearbox with non std ratios
Quaife atb rear diff
R and B rear shims



Although this spec is on a 2wd put suppose you can use it on 4x4

pa_sjo

mechanic28- doesn't sound like a particularly nice 'around town' spec with those cams.

Chip

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Cant see why you would want a T4 with a maram shaft instead of a GT3076 either, so personally I wouldnt want that spec.

mechanic28

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agreed although there has to be some give and take to get 500 hp so would imagine the above has lost some "around town drivability"?

Chip

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Not really mate no, obviously its laggier than a T28 small turbo car, but its still got exceptionally good manners IMHO

mechanic28

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its just a spec of a car bud just thought i would put it up for something to compare with although agreed its more of a "old school "set up

JonnyBravo

I've not been in Dougs but Rainbirds was seriously impressive as it is still essentially a fully trimmed road car.

I wouldn't know wether it was that inlet he uses or the roller bearing T4 but it ( as i've said many times before) has power everywhere.

A awesome engine but then if you priced it up in parts you would expect it to be I guess !

Chip

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Rainbirds being a stroker helps it have power everywhere.

Was saying to Doug, stroking his would be the next logical step, all be it an expensive one for only a relatively small gain.

cozzfather

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when doug said how much he has spent on his transmission over the years i felt all light headed and fell off the computer


this post needs pics ffs

rsnissan

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That was the spec of my 3dr engine, very much all or nothing I deffo would nto want that again for a road car

Stu @ M Developments

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Totally standard EsCos engine.
Good head gasket
Good clutch
Good Breather system
Genuine 3bar Map sensor
Set of 4x Siemens 3102s
Closed loop Evolution Chip
33psi peak with all the boost the T34 can hold round to the 7500rpm limiter.
Result = around 380 bhp.

That is my opinion of the perfect Escos package when balanced against the price of transmission and uprated turbos and manifolds etc due to the law of diminishing (very) returns.

Chip

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Can see where you are coming from as a budget conversion but I just hate the way the torque just dies on its arse at high rpm on T34 cars compared to a setup like Dougs

Its Dave

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Mt T38 conversion was great, so was my GT35


Lets see what its like with a GT40

Chip

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Too fast for my reactions is how I think your car will be Dave, id be scared to give it some on the road, lol

Rod-Tarry

A big downside for me it would feel like a slug on diazapan, whats right for one is boringly slow for another . However in an Escort that means 10k+ transmission costs so most will say 450/500bhp is fast enough & for sensible dosh they are right.
In answer to your question 'do you really need 600bhp on the road ' NO personally im happy with the Protons 80bhp but put me in a Cossie & I just need as much Power as is possible.

Chip

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Fair play Rod

Staffi

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Wasn,t Doug & Lee origionally on GT35`s Chip?? and didn,t like the setup?? Lee suffered alot of surge i recall didn,t he on that setup..

Chip

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Yep, both were on GT35R's

Both changed down to a 3076, and the difference was awesome in terms of the responsiveness of it.

IMHO you need a stroker to use a GT35R on a YB, it feels like too big a compromise otherwise.

Although weirdly it works great on my 2.0 vauxhall engine!

GARETH T

this would give the same sort of power as my car, and i love it (even though its in bits at the mo with no time to get back on it)

i havent been in dougs car, but i wouldnt mind a blast to compare!

Chip

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Gareth, as its you, I bet if you came down to weston one sunday evening and asked nicely he would let you

mechanic28

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am i right in thinking that the stroker lumps can not rev high?

GARETH T

i should really pop over to say hi!

Chip

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No mate, not really, MADrod's pulls well past 8Krpm still

The Youth.

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with all this talk of big power escorts for the road, my 262 bhp small turbo version is great round town, fook all lag enough power (just!) for me at the mo, it got me round the ring on my first visit in 9 minutes including having to slow 3 times for accidents..
and the really important thing is it's reliable..never broke down in 6 years of ownership..

BUT I am going for msd's t34 conversion when it's ready doh!!

steve

Rs1

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Chip i thought i read the last time you went out in Dougs car it was too fast for the roads(excluding motorway). What changed to make it drivable?

mechanic28

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Ah ok i knew that was just checking I swear i read somewhere years ago about the power engineering 2.4 conversion(i presume thats a stroker kit?)and that these struggled to rev as high as even a standard cossie?

Chip

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Last time I drove doug's car, the handling was nowhere near as good, he's redone all the suspension settings recently and its now transformed it.
It was pulling around before, now its straight as a die, even on loose bends its able to take full throttle no drama now.

pa_sjo

Yes but you shouldn't assume that 'your' spec is the best spec for 500bhp.. infact some of the more knowledgeable tuners have made VERY nice 500bhp specs, even using 'shonky' old T4's.. like 500bhp YB's that have similar boost curves to the standard, original car!