If a RST gets reshelled and therefore has a different vin & logbook etc, it becomes a replica, i believe....

So rather than restore the fuck out of the original shell, so that the vin is the same, And you can still call it an RST what happens if you cut the whole rusted body away from the vin plate and sections where the vin is stamped into the body , then chopped and welded these bits into a mint non-RST shell?

Would this technically be the same rst, log book and all just with 'extinsive' rust repairs? Or a dodgy ass repair?

Just wondered. Seems easier than a lot of the rest jobs on here...

Or am i just a nob with a pot noodle for a brain?

Olie

 

its called a ringer mate.

 

It would then become a "ringer"

 

It would technically be ringing.

*edited to add* lol, great minds.

 

too slow

 

only you can keep the same i.d is starting off with a brand new shell unregistered mate

 

Ive seen a few ringers, Worst where, an escos and the vin number had been cut out square welded into the new car, and made no attept to cover what they done,
A subaru which had its vin plate tiger sealed on and drilled out rivits never replaced.

 

hahah, that was quick! Is there any sence in what im saying though? with regards to what people do just to retain the logbook of there particularly rare model as aposed to a 1.1 lol.My thinking is your just replacing 99% of the panels in one go, rather than doing over a few years...

Any way, im rambling! cheers for the quick responces guys.

Olie

 

Next question... are there any unregistered shells still floating around? Do they still come up from time to time?

Thats rediculous!

 

i got banned from scoobynet for telling the new owner it was a ringer.

 

No way! Must have hit a nerve with him... His jaw must have droppped when he realised hed bout a lemmon lol. Asif they banned you for that! id have wanted someone to tell me if they thought id bought a lemon... Unlucky mate!

 

What i meant by my original question was say, To put the sills and front panel from the rst on the new shell, rather than just the small square with the vin on, like replace the body around the parts that retain the id rather than simply patch the vin plate on... Sorry if i havnt put my imagination in to words very well, i know its still technicall doing the same thing haha

 

Either way it's still ringing if you're taking the ID off ANY shell and putting it onto another

 

I understand what your saying mate, instead of welding a vin plate to a car, you want to weld bits of a car to a vin plate

I'm sure there must be some law that says that a car must retain a certain percentage of its original metal!

 

Alot of old ford are basicly only 25% orginal metal now anyway

 

Yeah exactly mate, it just seems people end up with like 90% of the car as welded plates etc making the car still 'original' when you could just weld the shell to the plate lol, rust proof it and 30 years from now youd probably have the only RST around haha

Im sure there will be a law along those lines, but i mean, alot of the mk1 escorts that you see would be past that percentage by now!

Just seems that way would work out a lot better, and the stardard of some of the welding you see on here im sure it could be done...

 

is there no legal way of doing it i mean without having to make the vehicle a Q plate ?

 

Not to sure... I was hoping it (hyperthetically!) could keep the same plate...

 

Only proper way is to use a shell with no id. You can then transfer a certain amount of parts from the original car and keep your original id. The new shell is kinda treated like a replacement panel if that makes sense?

 

Although I know that insurers and bdyshops have, in the past, transferred the VIN number into a new shell, please trust me as someone who is doing this, that you DON'T get to keep the original VIN number just by having a brand new shell to put it in. Ford's service shells don't have a VIN number in them from the factory, just a consignment plate on the slam panel that specifies the model etc.

My car is using a brand new shell, and all the mechanical parts from the donor so qualifies under the points scheme. DVLA have issued a new VIN number and, once it is stamped in and the separate metal plate rivited to the slam panel, I'm off for my SVA test on 27 April. Assuming it passes, I'll either get the original REGISTRATION number, or be allocated a new AGE-RELATED registration. They choose which, though I'm hoping for the latter.

 

ok so say for example i have scrapped a car with a registration number which i would like to keep is that registration still mine would i be able to use it as a private plate on a vehicle of a newer age just like a normal private plate or dose that plate then become part of the dvla's ownership so they can resell it?

 

So long as you do the transfer (and pay the fee) before you scrap it, you can treat the reg number as a private plate.

There are rules about getting the reg number off a car that hasn't been taxed/MoTd for a while but I don't know what they are.

 

To transfer the registration number, vehicles must be:

• currently taxed

However, if the vehicle that currently has the registration number is not taxed, you can still apply to transfer provided:

• there is no break between the date the tax disc runs out and the start of the SORN
• and the tax disc ran out no more than 12 months before the date you apply

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...tes/DG_4022576

 

The law doesn't require you to have a stamped in Vin number, I asked the DVLA a while back about how to go about repairing a sill that had extensive rust & was very close to the Vin number. They said to take numerour High resolution photos of the repair at every stage (they said I couldnt take too many), so if you used the same colour shell and made the photos tie up then you could do it that way.

They said to repair the area with fresh metal and keep the stamped number section safe if there was ever any doubt.

It's conceivable that a sill could rust near the number, so as long as you have evidence and photos to proove you have done a repair rather than a re-shell then it's fine

Dan

 

Sorry mate, but that is wrong. You have to get the number stamped in, or do it yourself and have an MOT station sign and stamp a letter to confirm it has been done.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10014199
Vehicle identification number

This is a legal requirement for all vehicles used on the public highway to carry a vehicle identity number (VIN). This may be lost when a vehicle is substantially rebuilt, particularly in the case of kit vehicles where the chassis or bodyshell may not have been stamped by the manufacturer. In such circumstances the DVLA local office will allocate a replacement VIN. The DVLA local office will issue an authorisation letter and registration will not take effect until the Agency receives confirmation that the vehicle has been stamped with the correct identity.

 

What you're refering to is the VIN, vehicle id number, you have that on the slam pannel tag as well as the floor...and on your logbook....You do not have to have a stamped floor number if you repair the car in the way I described. I am only repeating what I was told by the DVLA over the phone when I asked.

The kit car reference in your quote is when you use various parts you are issued with a new Vin number as you do not have one or have made the original car/vin obsolete through susbtantial modification.....completely irrelevant to this guys query & my point about him using a new shell.

Dan

 

But my car is also using a new shell and a single donor.
I have the form from DVLA here, with the new VIN number and the space for the MOT station to complete and stamp certifying that the floor is stamped AND the VIN plate is attached to the car.

 

Yeah thats a simple way of putting it!

IS there many replacement shells still floating around or are they like rocking horse shite?

I just really like the idea of an 09 mk3 escort!

Olie

 

Ok so if you are repairing a rusty section of your car and it just happens to be in the area of your stamped in vin number, what do you do then? go to the dvla and get your repair panel stamped??? NO

They told me to take pictures...I'm only stating what they've told me. you do not have to have the stamped in number in your car if you are repairing a section of rot. Like I said in my original post....if the guy takes photos and uses the correct colour shell as a donor he could transfer his ID and legally have no numbers in his floor.

Your situation is different as you're using a new shell. The thread relates to a boggo spec shell that the guy wants to get his ID onto....The way I described works.

Dan

 

It could be done quite easily and made un-noticeable but at the end of the day it will still be a vin plate welded into a different shell, and im sure im correct in thinking that weld joins can show up under some sort of x-ray detection?? although i doubt anyone would ever go to that extreme to check wether the identity was original or not!

If my memory serves me correctly i believe it was actually ok to reshell into a secondhand shell and keep the identity from the original donor car up until about 7 or 8 years ago when they changed the laws on this to make them go onto a Q plate if the shell was not brand new.

 

Iain just a quick note you can only get a new style reg on rebuilt cars if 2 or less parts are used. If there are anymore then it will get an age related plate.