Ford RS1700T for sale in Germany
14-03-2009, 10:15 PM
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Ford RS1700T for sale in Germany
Looks pretty genuine this car when you look "show all pictures"
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/de...n=PARK&lang=en
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/de...n=PARK&lang=en
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16-03-2009, 12:20 PM
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16-03-2009, 12:28 PM
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ps. Theres deffo a few about, theres the one that was being restored in SA, was a thread on here ages ago, Wilsons road car, the Nutter Car from Simon Nutter ( ran a coffee shop in Ambleside? and won an event at Flookborough Airfield ) and the one below which is America somewhere!
16-03-2009, 01:01 PM
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I dont know much about these. Going from the pics, I assume they left ford like this, with a cossie-mounted* 1.7l turbo engine, with RWD and no aftermarket mods?
* I wanted to say transverse / longitudinal but Im not sure which is which
* I wanted to say transverse / longitudinal but Im not sure which is which
16-03-2009, 01:11 PM
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16-03-2009, 01:41 PM
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Its a Mk 3 escort body hiding a bespoke floorpan with a porsche style driveshaft, fully independant suspension all round and a longitudinally mounted BDT. I also have a paper copy of the 4wd design for it in cuttaway if i can get near a scanner.
It was tested extensively with a hart 2.3 whilst the bdt was being readied and was significantly faster on most surfaces than the 4wd audi.
It was however becoming way to expensive to homolgate and with the advent of groub b was already outdated and at odds with the marketing campaign for the mk3 escort ( fwd! )
The 200 +engines were stored ( and subsequently used in the RS200 ) and the remaining examples were allegedly destroyed, however it is known Mick Jones took a handful to SA to compete in non homologated rallies where they cleaned up ( after being relieved of a lot of their distinguishing body kit to hide their origin!
One of these cars is the Nutter car which was imported back and use by Mr Nutter as described above.
Malcolm Wilsons Blue one is believed to be the only trimmed one made.
If you notice in the test photo's and the sales literature and press shots there are at least 3 different body kits, all being very similar except for tweaks to the bonnet/front bumper
It was tested extensively with a hart 2.3 whilst the bdt was being readied and was significantly faster on most surfaces than the 4wd audi.
It was however becoming way to expensive to homolgate and with the advent of groub b was already outdated and at odds with the marketing campaign for the mk3 escort ( fwd! )
The 200 +engines were stored ( and subsequently used in the RS200 ) and the remaining examples were allegedly destroyed, however it is known Mick Jones took a handful to SA to compete in non homologated rallies where they cleaned up ( after being relieved of a lot of their distinguishing body kit to hide their origin!
One of these cars is the Nutter car which was imported back and use by Mr Nutter as described above.
Malcolm Wilsons Blue one is believed to be the only trimmed one made.
If you notice in the test photo's and the sales literature and press shots there are at least 3 different body kits, all being very similar except for tweaks to the bonnet/front bumper
16-03-2009, 02:29 PM
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i have seen simon nutter rally that thing at flookburgh, my mate nearly got chucked out for doing donuts on the grassed parking area after we paid to get in.
its not a very good car imo and a decent big engined mk2 escort could beat it,infact i remember good group n 3drs giving it a run for its money.
it used to fuck its gearbox up regularly.
last i heard of nutter was he was rallying in the uae as you get good deals to get over their and make the locals look good when they beat you.
its not a very good car imo and a decent big engined mk2 escort could beat it,infact i remember good group n 3drs giving it a run for its money.
it used to fuck its gearbox up regularly.
last i heard of nutter was he was rallying in the uae as you get good deals to get over their and make the locals look good when they beat you.
16-03-2009, 02:30 PM
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16-03-2009, 02:32 PM
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i have seen simon nutter rally that thing at flookburgh, my mate nearly got chucked out for doing donuts on the grassed parking area after we paid to get in.
its not a very good car imo and a decent big engined mk2 escort could beat it,infact i remember good group n 3drs giving it a run for its money.
it used to fuck its gearbox up regularly.
last i heard of nutter was he was rallying in the uae as you get good deals to get over their and make the locals look good when they beat you.
its not a very good car imo and a decent big engined mk2 escort could beat it,infact i remember good group n 3drs giving it a run for its money.
it used to fuck its gearbox up regularly.
last i heard of nutter was he was rallying in the uae as you get good deals to get over their and make the locals look good when they beat you.
The reliability would have been hampered by lack of development.
16-03-2009, 02:40 PM
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Never spotted that! Fired it into the DVLA tax checker and it was ONLY taxed in inverness as iit was only done once
registered 30/12/87 and only taxed for 1 yr from start of dec which seems silly when they could've waited until start of jan to tax...
16-03-2009, 02:43 PM
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Ford had no problem with it, seeing as they were not completing at that particular event.
Whoever it was (i can't remember his name
) drove said Audi, came back to Ford afterwards, and told them to stop development of the rs1700t, as it was already a long way behind, and that Ford needed 4wd.Hence the rs200.
16-03-2009, 02:44 PM
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it was only faster when a certain world champion ari vatanen was driving it, i saw fellas driving sierra cosworth's that made nutter look slow and they weren't world champs,maybe champion of burnley or blackburn etc.
its a proper thing and i have the performance ford mag it was featured in back in the days when most people looking at this were in their mums fanny still
its a proper thing and i have the performance ford mag it was featured in back in the days when most people looking at this were in their mums fanny still
16-03-2009, 02:49 PM
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Im sure ive read/seen somewhere, that back in the day, Audi asked a Ford driver if he would drive their Audi on an Event.
Ford had no problem with it, seeing as they were not completing at that particular event.
Whoever it was (i can't remember his name) drove said Audi, came back to Ford afterwards, and told them to stop development of the rs1700t, as it was already a long way behind, and that Ford needed 4wd.
Hence the rs200.
Ford had no problem with it, seeing as they were not completing at that particular event.
Whoever it was (i can't remember his name
) drove said Audi, came back to Ford afterwards, and told them to stop development of the rs1700t, as it was already a long way behind, and that Ford needed 4wd.Hence the rs200.
Stuart Turner cancelled it as virtually the first thing he did when in the top job. It was behind shedule and over budget and overweight
Cost and Price was the problem, the could have built it down to weight but they'd have been so expensive they wouldnt have been able to sell the 200. The original target price was Ł23000 ( lot of cash in 83/84 ) but by the time it was shelved the estimated price in road trim was over Ł45k......it was never going to happen
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16-03-2009, 02:52 PM
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If clubman rally drivers without works support werent getting the performance out of it, so what? Hardly a comparison is it?
Put into perspective, it was way quicker than the last of the work's rs1800's in underpowerd and over weight guise and Rothmans private rs1800's still won the world title in 1983
16-03-2009, 02:55 PM
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Which is fine because it was made to be a top line international rally car.
If clubman rally drivers without works support werent getting the performance out of it, so what? Hardly a comparison is it?
Put into perspective, it was way quicker than the last of the work's rs1800's in underpowerd and over weight guise and Rothmans private rs1800's still won the world title in 1983
If clubman rally drivers without works support werent getting the performance out of it, so what? Hardly a comparison is it?
Put into perspective, it was way quicker than the last of the work's rs1800's in underpowerd and over weight guise and Rothmans private rs1800's still won the world title in 1983
16-03-2009, 03:01 PM
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The 1981 World Rally Championship season was the ninth season of the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) World Rally Championship (WRC). The season consisted of 12 rallies. While this number was the same as the previous year, one change was made to the schedule, replacing New Zealand with the Brazil.
The 1981 World Rally Championship for Drivers was won by Ari Vatanen driving a Rothmans Rally Team Ford Escort RS1800, the only time a privateer team has won the Drivers' Chmapionship.
The 1981 World Rally Championship for Drivers was won by Ari Vatanen driving a Rothmans Rally Team Ford Escort RS1800, the only time a privateer team has won the Drivers' Chmapionship.
16-03-2009, 03:03 PM
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oy no problem matey, its nice to talk about the old days and i have seen the car we are talking about rally.
i think its cheep myself seeing as some rs200's are 200k euros and even wrc escorts are huge money.
if mickey the finn turns up i'm doing one sharpish
i think its cheep myself seeing as some rs200's are 200k euros and even wrc escorts are huge money.
if mickey the finn turns up i'm doing one sharpish
