xr-stu

just ordered a new engine for my mondeo, its only done 18k but want to replace the DMF for a solid one pre-emptively while the car is in bits anyway.

seen one company on ebay which are asking 350+postage, not sure if thats the right price or not.

anyone know where i could get one cheaper or if thats about right?



also, if anyone reading this has changed a mk3 mondeo engine before, can you give me an idea of whats involved subframe wise?

foreigneRS

how do changing those affect the driveability, as it must be different if mapped for a dual mass, surely?

James

take the engine out the top stu!

col cos1

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tddi is a pretty bulky tall and heavy engine,i had to have mine towed to ford and have pump recoded before it would run

big mac

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try eurocar parts mate think they where doing them for about 170-220

Dave McB

solid flywheels only made by either ford or valeo.

Been reliably informed by a clutch rep for one of the world biggest clutch manufacturers that if u change to a solid flywheel u need to change the crank pulley to the damped type or u can snap that crankshaft (vibrations have to go somewhere...right??)

Oh, and im a partsman.

Rossco

Try ttvracing.com they should be able to help, they might already make one if not you send them your old fly wheel and they will custom make one how ever you want it.

xr-stu

according to folks on a random mondeo website i read, the drive doesnt change at all. the clutch plate fitted with a DMF doesnt have springs, whereas the traditional solid flywheel clutch does. all the DMF does is the same job as a sprung clutch plate - make the action of the take up of the clutch smoother. whether this is taken up by the DMF or sprung clutch plate, makes no difference. the conversion comes with a new clutch plate with springs.

based on that info above, id imagine whoever says the crank pulley has to be changed is ill informed or talking bollocks. ive read nothing about that, i will check it to be sure, but i cant see that being right tbh. ill gladly be prooved wrong though!

i know itll need recoding or califbrating or whatever it is they do before itll run. pain in the arse but oh well.

as for getting a custom flywheel made up - fuck that!


will try my local motorfactors as i get trade their, or used to! not been there in ages.

and jim, you dont fancy a dirty weekend round mine with a lot of lubrication and long smooth shiney tools?! a pair of experienced hands may come in useful trying to slot the lump into its hole help me swap the engine i mean before you get to excited!

xr-stu

the motorfactors ive just tried, who're normally pretty good, want £470.70 + vat for the full kit, being flywheel, clutch plate, clutch cover, and slave cylinder.

thats alot more than the £200 or thereabouts being flung around!

eurocar parts dont seem to list them, unless im being a spastic.

anyone got any numbers i should call?

daviddunlop83

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What happened to the old engine? Just being curious as i have a mondeo TDDi

Do the DMF give alot of trouble? Mine has 115000 on it still going strong at present

James

when you thinking of doing it and where?

you stil got that engine crane?

xr-stu

the original engine is on 187k and is very much showing its age. chuffs out a huge cloud of smoke on startup, hesitates and coughs now and then which along with an unpleasent rattle when it does so im guessing is the pump on its last legs. plus theres various symptoms of the DMF being close to death such as dust clogging up the starter, rattling when off the clutch, jerky drive and take up of the clutch sometimes. in general, its wanked the DMFs can die within 30'000miles, its all obviously down to how theyre driven though.

james itll probably be next weekend, at my house on the drive/front of garage. and yes weve still got the engine crane. if you cant be arsed mate its no biggie, but if youd be bored and upfor it, then the help would be appreciated.

as355f1

Euro car parts is defo the cheapest, but they don't do them for the 130bhp models

James

got to work next weekend, need the money tbh. can do the weekend after 31/1 though?

xr-stu

will see how it goes mate and let you know, ive got this weekend off so might have to be this weekend!

ill call eurocar parts then and see what the score is.

xr-stu

euro car parts want 370 inc vat for the complete kit, cheaper than my local but still alot dearer than ive been led to believe...

anyone got any more places i should call?

transit parts are saying 350, and claiming theyre the only supplier, so who the fuck is offering the kit for 200

xr-stu

just read the 1.8 focus tddi engine has a solid flywheel...any ideas from anyone if its compatible? this could be what people are marketing as the mondeo conversion perhaps?

focus:



mondeo:

turbolee

my bro had his done and them prices you have been quoting sound right he rang loads of places think he paid 350 in end not a cheap item to replace at all best of look

xr-stu

seems like 350 it is. wounder, i was expecting 200 after everything id read on here!

the focus ones bolt spacing looks different to me but want other peoples opinions...

James

wouldnt like to risk it tbh stu as that will be balanced for a 1.8 lynx engine and yours is a 2.0 puma, 2 totally different engines! if you get stuck give me a call, i text you my new number didn't i?

xr-stu

thats a good point jimbo! not sure if i have got your new number, txt me anyway to be sure.

Rossco

As I said above, have you tryed contacting TTV? They are making loads of billet steal flywheels that do away with the dual mass.

xr-stu

i havnt, but i cant see a company making me a one off being cheaper than an off the self part? wont hurt to try though.

bbspolo

Give me a call on monday mate at euro carparts redhill (Dan)
sure i could do it for less than that?

Rossco

It proberly wont be a one off, they make loads of fly wheels and if they dont already make it, they can take the drawings from your old fly wheel and stat producing them too.

They do a lot of fly wheels that do away with dual mass.

xr-stu

dan im PMing ginge at the mo about it as he works for them too, he recons theyre 200, maybe thats trade? ill call you monday if ive not made any progress by then! cheers!

jammy86

I'm with you on this one.

I'll ask at work why its DM though. What rating is the engine?

JAmes,

xr-stu

its 115bhp.

twoblacklines

whats the difference between dual mass and solid on a 115hp turbo diesel engine ? does it rev alot faster or something ?

i might be being ignorant but it seems a bit pointless when figures of £350 are thrown around (you could probably buy a whole new car for that...)

xr-stu

the flywheel is in two pieces with a sort of flexible bearing in the middle. this is so that when the clutch is engaged theres a bit of give to absorb the shock loading of the gearbox. same principle as springs on the clutch plate i assume...fuck knows why ford decided to re-invent the wheel. if it aint broke dont fix it and all that.

twoblacklines

So if you fit a solid one, there wont be any give to absorb the shock ?

Did you source one ? i live near here http://www.salvage-cars.com/

I will have a look when I can but im a bit broke atm!

xr-stu

the conversion just replaces the flywheel and clutch with a conventional type, which afaik have never been a problem in any car before, and feel no different to drive - i dont know why they bothered

hopefully sorting one shortly mate cheers.

jammy86

Its got nothing to do with shock, and ford didn't reinvent the flywheel. The inclusion of a dual mass flywheel means you dont need a torsional vibration damper at the other end.

I spoke to the people that specified sed flywheel and it was done for noise and vibration harshness reasons. You MIGHT have issues with snapping the crank in the long run, but you'll have issues with a very loud and juddery engine imediately. This will be worse at certain rpms but it will be noticeable from inside the cabin. Its there for a reason and I can see no reasons to get rid of it,
Ford didn't spend many thousands paying people to design it for fun.

You'll find that in "any car before" they will either not have needed the torsional vibrations damped out, or had an additional TV damping system that you weren't aware of. You'll also find that DM flywheels are common.

JAmes.

xr-stu

every persons feedback after fitting one seems to be that there was no difference in how the car drove, appart from a slightly lighter clutch (new clutch kit and slave cylinder, so to be expected).

im obviously mistaken on the exact purpose of the DMF then, im just going off what ive read, but had heard a new crank pulley was advised as the DMF incorporated the dampener in its design. any idea where id get one from?

but i DO see a reason to change it. with the new engine, i plan on keeping the car for a few years. and if theyre prone to failure at as little as 30'000 miles, i cant afford to be replacing them every 12-18 months. ford obviously didnt spend those thousands very well, or on very good designers, if the fucking thing needs replacing as often as the brake pads, at a cost of 1/2 what the cars worth in some cases.

seems to me like they added an extra thing to go wrong and extra expense for the owner for no real reason by adding the DMF, when a traditional flywheel and dampener have worked fine on different engines for decades.

Benc30

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Hello as Rossco has tried to tell you, TTV Racing will make you a 1 off dual mass replacement flywheel for £200 its cnc machined from billet steel and dynamically balanced with ring gear so ready to bolt on. If you require it they will also be able to supply you with the correct sprung hub clutch at sensible prices.

James

tbh, i think the whole dmf "fuss" has been taken out of context slightly.

i know of taxi's on 150k on original flywheels with no issues but then 30k low milers needing flywheels.

to most it's a new concept and any failure will result in widespread condemnation, just because it's new and the: "i drove my 1983 cortina for 30 years and it never had a flywheel.." that people in the trade will tell you we hear so often!

if it was my car i'd most likely be fitting a replacment dmf same as whats fitted.

n13los

partco do a kit for the transit for about £180, not sure about a mondeo but could be worth a call.

xr-stu

i very much doubt it. i rang all my local partco type motorfactors, mill autos and a couple of other locals, and even at the ones i get trade at, they were still 400+.

Benc30

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Good thing about TTV is not only are they cheaper, they do lightweight dual mass replacements so you save £000's and gain performance too. Most dual mass flywheels are around £600 odd quid new.. my misses corsa had to have one after just 300 miles of use from the brand new... vauxhall recon even starting the car without your foot on the clutch will eventually cause them to fail.

steveturbocal

as said above i'd try ttv racing they know there stuff