ERST poor starting from cold-ish problems...
18-11-2004, 04:08 PM
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ERST poor starting from cold-ish problems...
PLEASE SEE FUTHER DOWN FOR UPDATE - 20/11/04
Right, been having an issue starting car in the morning since my starter motor died (coincedence or what eh?!)
Anyway, turns over fine so battery is in A1 ok condition
After about 10-15 secs of turning over, my defi's decide they like to play 'let's keep resetting ourselves' time and time again, also defi controller is flashing on and off in conjunction with actual gauges
I have changed my distributor cap and rotor arm with Genuine Ford Bosch items with no change at all
I have checked the spark plugs (NGK9's) and they have a gap of 0.60
Had fueling checked today at my ever so friendly local garage and it's at 3.4% - so all is fine there
Cold Start injector has ALWAYS been dis-connected on my RST and my previous one too and the cold start metering head feed is used for my 5th Injector (which does work fine)
I have only left the car not run for about 2 1/2 hours and was definately warmed up good and proper before hand - guess what, it did the same but didn;t take as long to start
Am going to get some std BCR8ES spark plugs to try tomorrow as they are cheap and cheerful and see if that makes any differnce to the starting on Saturday morning
All connections and sensors are ok by looks of things
Please throw any more suggestions my way, I'd really appriciate it peeps
Right, been having an issue starting car in the morning since my starter motor died (coincedence or what eh?!)
Anyway, turns over fine so battery is in A1 ok condition
After about 10-15 secs of turning over, my defi's decide they like to play 'let's keep resetting ourselves' time and time again, also defi controller is flashing on and off in conjunction with actual gauges
I have changed my distributor cap and rotor arm with Genuine Ford Bosch items with no change at all
I have checked the spark plugs (NGK9's) and they have a gap of 0.60
Had fueling checked today at my ever so friendly local garage and it's at 3.4% - so all is fine there
Cold Start injector has ALWAYS been dis-connected on my RST and my previous one too and the cold start metering head feed is used for my 5th Injector (which does work fine)
I have only left the car not run for about 2 1/2 hours and was definately warmed up good and proper before hand - guess what, it did the same but didn;t take as long to start
Am going to get some std BCR8ES spark plugs to try tomorrow as they are cheap and cheerful and see if that makes any differnce to the starting on Saturday morning
All connections and sensors are ok by looks of things
Please throw any more suggestions my way, I'd really appriciate it peeps
18-11-2004, 04:11 PM
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Re: ERST poor starting from cold-ish problems...
Originally Posted by James Raby
Right, been having an issue starting car in the morning
You tried starting it in the afternoon to see if that makes any difference?
18-11-2004, 04:14 PM
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Yes I have Tony, unfortunately makes no odds when cold 
Which is what I should have said to begine with
Car is making an appearence at APT next Thursday for a check-up, but I want to know it's starting fine when cold so can get proper tune
Which is what I should have said to begine with
Car is making an appearence at APT next Thursday for a check-up, but I want to know it's starting fine when cold so can get proper tune
18-11-2004, 04:24 PM
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Starts slightly better on Sunday I must admit - 'cos I rarely take car out on that day PMSL!!
Nah serious, anything else I can try or look at before I change plugs??
What happens if no difference with std plugs though, think I'll just sell the coont!
Nah serious, anything else I can try or look at before I change plugs??
What happens if no difference with std plugs though, think I'll just sell the coont!
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18-11-2004, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by James Raby
Battery is fine Andy, turns over a treat, just won't fire up properly
maybe its using all the power to turn over but cant quite supply enough for the coil and spark ?I have just replace my battery and it has made world of difference to the start up and inital 20 sec running period
Other than that get APT to look at it while its there
18-11-2004, 08:33 PM
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I looked at battery
Battery tester at Ford said 'good battery - recharge' but they said it wouldn't be battery at all
I thought dead cell or two??
Battery tester at Ford said 'good battery - recharge' but they said it wouldn't be battery at all
I thought dead cell or two??
18-11-2004, 08:43 PM
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Well its the quickest thing to test, run another car and jump leads onto yours and then start it up the alternator and battery power will be a boost to your battery and could help to something or nothing, but nothing lost in trying
18-11-2004, 09:04 PM
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Nobody got any ideas then??????
All these people on here and no ideas/advice?????
All these people on here and no ideas/advice?????
Oh and I have no advice whatsoever
Alternator?
18-11-2004, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by James Raby
Alternator has given me red light on the dash for over 2 years, will change wiring soon - it's on list
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20-11-2004, 02:20 PM
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Righto
Using another car for battery did not work
Changed spark plugs for std BCR8ES with no change also
Tries to start, fires up, misfires very badly and then dies straight away, try to restart and does same but hesitates to run properly, hold throttle and still misfires but shit loads of white steam exiting the exhaust - was only 2 degree when I did all this, eventually runs ok when foot on throttle held at 4k for about 1 minute
I knew I had an oil leak so had a rocker cover gasket ready to fit today, turns out it was the blanking plate at the back right hand side of the head that was missing the nut so leaked LOL, fixed that and replaced gasket - this took me a whole one and a hlaf hours as I lost that same nut and couldn't find it ROFL
Anyway, guess what - it wouldn't start, not as bad but still being a complete pain in the arse!
Checked ALL fuses in the fuse box, all are ok and present and rated what fuse box cover says
What can I do??
Please help...
Using another car for battery did not work
Changed spark plugs for std BCR8ES with no change also
Tries to start, fires up, misfires very badly and then dies straight away, try to restart and does same but hesitates to run properly, hold throttle and still misfires but shit loads of white steam exiting the exhaust - was only 2 degree when I did all this, eventually runs ok when foot on throttle held at 4k for about 1 minute
I knew I had an oil leak so had a rocker cover gasket ready to fit today, turns out it was the blanking plate at the back right hand side of the head that was missing the nut so leaked LOL, fixed that and replaced gasket - this took me a whole one and a hlaf hours as I lost that same nut and couldn't find it ROFL
Anyway, guess what - it wouldn't start, not as bad but still being a complete pain in the arse!
Checked ALL fuses in the fuse box, all are ok and present and rated what fuse box cover says
What can I do??
Please help...
20-11-2004, 02:56 PM
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err maybe on this car the cold start injector would be a good idea?
my car dont move often, and when it starts it doesnt want to rev at all, jus gotta leave itt ill warmed up, but it does start ok no help their.....
thermo time switch??????????????
my car dont move often, and when it starts it doesnt want to rev at all, jus gotta leave itt ill warmed up, but it does start
ok no help their.....thermo time switch??????????????
20-11-2004, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
err maybe on this car the cold start injector would be a good idea?
Originally Posted by James Raby
Cold Start injector has ALWAYS been dis-connected on my RST and my previous one too and the cold start metering head feed is used for my 5th Injector (which does work fine)
Originally Posted by vroooom ptssssh
thermo time switch??????????????
20-11-2004, 03:46 PM
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Is your thermo switch ok. I had the exact same issue. Its either the brown or yellow connector of your loom that goes to the sensors under Inlet manifold.
20-11-2004, 04:26 PM
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Dave, the fuel feed for the cold start is taken up by my 5th injector, has been fine up until recently (last week) when it was there, had to have it dis-connected as wouldn;t start with connected LOL
Lee, I don't know
Looking to get that sensor aloong with Water temp sensor from someone I know (about 1 year old sensors) and only about 3000 miles use
Lee, I don't know
Looking to get that sensor aloong with Water temp sensor from someone I know (about 1 year old sensors) and only about 3000 miles use
20-11-2004, 04:31 PM
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James also has your loom still got the colour coded connectors on it. May be worth double checking right connector goes to right block.
I notice u say your starter was fooked! Did you have it replaced?
In that case did you reconnect the earth which is secured by started motor bolts?
I notice u say your starter was fooked! Did you have it replaced?
In that case did you reconnect the earth which is secured by started motor bolts?
20-11-2004, 04:52 PM
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I didn't change the starter, garage did it as I snapped solonoid in two and didn't have a trolley jack or axle stands to get to the 3 reataining nuts that hold it in place
Have just looked, all connection appear to be where they should be
Problems only started when gargae gave me a battery tester to use to see if battery was caput or starter was definately dead
It has 2 prongs with what I can only describe as a cooker element inside a box which heats up - resistance??
Was a pain to start since then and ONLY from then, was fine before
Have just looked, all connection appear to be where they should be
Problems only started when gargae gave me a battery tester to use to see if battery was caput or starter was definately dead
It has 2 prongs with what I can only describe as a cooker element inside a box which heats up - resistance??
Was a pain to start since then and ONLY from then, was fine before
20-11-2004, 07:25 PM
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Can any of the evenign crew assist with anything here?
Is there something I haven't tried?
I could be looking into it too far it may seem
Is there something I haven't tried?
I could be looking into it too far it may seem
20-11-2004, 07:51 PM
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Checked those too, well ones I could see and the one that goes to Ignition ECU
Just to add it DOES have a spark, tested using HT ignition lead tester
Just to add it DOES have a spark, tested using HT ignition lead tester
25-11-2004, 04:49 PM
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Well, ordered a new Thermo Time switch and put it in car, made absolutely no difference at all
Spent about 2 hours at APT this afternoon testing various bits 'n' bobs but nothing shew that it was faulty on the equipment Gary had
In fact it indicated everything was exactly how it should be, 1 year after it was set-up and still on KE-Jet management
Anyway, going to test a different Fuel ECU and water temperature sensor
See if thta helps, if not, well I'm stumped to be honest
Will spend a night with Gary LOL and see what it does when stone cold...
Spent about 2 hours at APT this afternoon testing various bits 'n' bobs but nothing shew that it was faulty on the equipment Gary had
In fact it indicated everything was exactly how it should be, 1 year after it was set-up and still on KE-Jet management
Anyway, going to test a different Fuel ECU and water temperature sensor
See if thta helps, if not, well I'm stumped to be honest
Will spend a night with Gary LOL and see what it does when stone cold...
25-11-2004, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by James Raby
Will spend a night with Gary
25-11-2004, 10:26 PM
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A few ideas...
1 - Loss of rest pressure
2 - Improperly adjusted airflow sensor
3 - Sticking control plunger
4 - Leaking injectors
5 - Incorrect control pressure
1 - Loss of rest pressure
2 - Improperly adjusted airflow sensor
3 - Sticking control plunger
4 - Leaking injectors
5 - Incorrect control pressure
26-11-2004, 06:30 AM
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Only injector that can leak is cold start one and that's not being used
Metering head plunger has been cleaned and is not sticking
Everything is A1 ok when warm - infact looks to be perfect
What's this airflow sensor?
BTW, speak in English terms to me
i.e what exactly you mean by some of your ideas
Metering head plunger has been cleaned and is not sticking
Everything is A1 ok when warm - infact looks to be perfect
What's this airflow sensor?
BTW, speak in English terms to me
i.e what exactly you mean by some of your ideas
26-11-2004, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by James Raby
Anyway, going to test a different Fuel ECU and water temperature sensor
If you need a spare fuel ecu to test I have a spare 1 infact I have about 25