Charged with careless driving!!!!! Hit 5 cars!!!!
11-11-2008, 11:19 AM
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that was my reaction also?
Ok fair doos only you know what speed you were doing, and of course your gna say 30 on a public (police viewable) forum.
But from someone who doesnt know u, and looking at how u described the damage...30mph?
They cant take you licence away just like that.
My guess is you will recieve a summons in the post and have to go to court.
There is a traffic offence specialist solicitor who is always mentioned on here when these type of posts come up, sorry dont know his name. but sure someone will tell you.
Sadly tho despite what ever the truth is, with your current licence, its not in your favour with past offences.
Do you have any pictures of the scene, if not id get right down there and get as much evidence as possible, cos ur gna have to fight this one fella!
Ok fair doos only you know what speed you were doing, and of course your gna say 30 on a public (police viewable) forum.
But from someone who doesnt know u, and looking at how u described the damage...30mph?
They cant take you licence away just like that.
My guess is you will recieve a summons in the post and have to go to court.
There is a traffic offence specialist solicitor who is always mentioned on here when these type of posts come up, sorry dont know his name. but sure someone will tell you.
Sadly tho despite what ever the truth is, with your current licence, its not in your favour with past offences.
Do you have any pictures of the scene, if not id get right down there and get as much evidence as possible, cos ur gna have to fight this one fella!
11-11-2008, 11:20 AM
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11-11-2008, 11:24 AM
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what was the weather like? if it was wet and slippery this should be taken into account by those out there with rulers and pencils and protractors
11-11-2008, 11:33 AM
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acording the the goverment website, and the highway code
the average stopping distance of a car travling 30mph is 23 meters roughly equal to 6 car lengths.
this however INCLUDES a 9 meter ''thinking'' distance that you will have used before you hit the first car
so that leaves you 14 meters 3 car lengths
and thats WITHOUT the massive amount of momentum you will have taken off with the first hit if it was enough to wright off 2 cars.
this is the kind of FACTS they will use to convict you
the average stopping distance of a car travling 30mph is 23 meters roughly equal to 6 car lengths.
this however INCLUDES a 9 meter ''thinking'' distance that you will have used before you hit the first car
so that leaves you 14 meters 3 car lengths
and thats WITHOUT the massive amount of momentum you will have taken off with the first hit if it was enough to wright off 2 cars.
this is the kind of FACTS they will use to convict you
11-11-2008, 11:53 AM
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No mate, although I do have a basic understanding of how a car works and some of the laws of physics which seems to be all thats needed in this case to work out that either:
He was speeding
He was careless driving
Its just a forum though mate, its not a legally binding decision, so people dont need to be fully qualified to comment
He was speeding
He was careless driving
Its just a forum though mate, its not a legally binding decision, so people dont need to be fully qualified to comment
11-11-2008, 12:08 PM
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The old bill work out how fast the car was going & hopefully they wont just try and make an example of you! I rolled my 1st car (metro) from doing 30 mph and hit a lamp post and ended ended up in someones front garden! They didnt believe my speed so measured it all etc and it turned out I was telling the truth - they did this at the time of the accident though.
11-11-2008, 12:14 PM
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Hope your not too sore?
Was there not any witnesses? The polices opinion on what happened and thats it?
It would be nice to think that the charges will be dropped & that they were only there in the first place to apease the owners of the cars that were hurt & speed up the claims process.
In the past I've sent the Procurator Fiscal a letter explaining my take on things, the more facts the fiscal has the beter.
Best of luck!
Was there not any witnesses? The polices opinion on what happened and thats it?
It would be nice to think that the charges will be dropped & that they were only there in the first place to apease the owners of the cars that were hurt & speed up the claims process.
In the past I've sent the Procurator Fiscal a letter explaining my take on things, the more facts the fiscal has the beter.
Best of luck!
11-11-2008, 12:25 PM
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all good everyone saying 30mph couldnt hit 5 cars etc.. but to what extent did he hit the cars??
a car that has been hit by another car can just be where his wing mirror has hit along side the car or his wing has scraped along the doors etc..
dont jump to the conclusion that he has hit all 5 cars and destroyed them
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a car that has been hit by another car can just be where his wing mirror has hit along side the car or his wing has scraped along the doors etc..
dont jump to the conclusion that he has hit all 5 cars and destroyed them
PF's police investigation squad
Last edited by R5FORD; 11-11-2008 at 12:29 PM.
11-11-2008, 12:35 PM
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all good everyone saying 30mph couldnt hit 5 cars etc.. but to what extent did he hit the cars??
a car that has been hit by another car can just be where his wing mirror has hit along side the car or his wing has scraped along the doors etc..
dont jump to the conclusion that he has hit all 5 cars and destroyed them
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a car that has been hit by another car can just be where his wing mirror has hit along side the car or his wing has scraped along the doors etc..
dont jump to the conclusion that he has hit all 5 cars and destroyed them
PF's police investigation squad
11-11-2008, 12:40 PM
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point of impact could have smashed all his suspension. I did that in my cossie not driving that fast it was the way i hit the kirb that screwd it. so he may have just been doing 30 and hit it in such away that dissabled his steering
11-11-2008, 12:41 PM
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The facts as I see them are these:
You were doing only 30mph
You swerved and hit a car to avoid a basil
You then impacted a car SO hard you lost your steering as a result
You applied the brakes and tried to steer away
The rear brakes were working and the front was braking on one side and snow ploughing
Despite the fact you had all this mechanical force slowing you down, and depsite the fact you slowed down from the initial impact which folded your car in you then proceeded to hit 5 further vehicles each one you were pulled into sideways by your fucked steering, each one slowed you down further cause thats how physics works
To me, those facts, CANT all be true, and im sure that is what the copper is thinking too, unless you have ommitted to mention the road in question is on a 1 in 1 hill?
You were doing only 30mph
You swerved and hit a car to avoid a basil
You then impacted a car SO hard you lost your steering as a result
You applied the brakes and tried to steer away
The rear brakes were working and the front was braking on one side and snow ploughing
Despite the fact you had all this mechanical force slowing you down, and depsite the fact you slowed down from the initial impact which folded your car in you then proceeded to hit 5 further vehicles each one you were pulled into sideways by your fucked steering, each one slowed you down further cause thats how physics works
To me, those facts, CANT all be true, and im sure that is what the copper is thinking too, unless you have ommitted to mention the road in question is on a 1 in 1 hill?
hes came on here for advice inspector cluso not to prove he is innocnent or guilty!
11-11-2008, 12:57 PM
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As by the sound of it he could end up in court having to explain stuff, so he needs to know which bits ring alarm bells for people surely?
Thats what I would want in his situation personally.
I can give a nice fluffy "oh no, honey, thats terrible, im sure it will all work out fine though" type reply instead though if it offends you less?
11-11-2008, 12:58 PM
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when my m3 was crashed it was sliding on grass and impacted at i recon about 40mph? (entered spin at 80) it dint travel 5 car lenghts.
11-11-2008, 01:05 PM
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What better advice can he have than have someone pick fault at his account of things?
As by the sound of it he could end up in court having to explain stuff, so he needs to know which bits ring alarm bells for people surely?
Thats what I would want in his situation personally.
I can give a nice fluffy "oh no, honey, thats terrible, im sure it will all work out fine though" type reply instead though if it offends you less?
As by the sound of it he could end up in court having to explain stuff, so he needs to know which bits ring alarm bells for people surely?
Thats what I would want in his situation personally.
I can give a nice fluffy "oh no, honey, thats terrible, im sure it will all work out fine though" type reply instead though if it offends you less?
11-11-2008, 01:09 PM
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I'm getting done with Dangerous (which carries a mandatory ban and retest!) for doing 120 at midnight on an empty motorway doing no harm to anyone.
Yet on the other hand you pile into 5 cars and get charged with careless!
....which usually is just 4 or 6 points and a fine!
11-11-2008, 01:13 PM
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Can't say I agree.
I'm getting done with Dangerous (which carries a mandatory ban and retest!) for doing 120 at midnight on an empty motorway doing no harm to anyone.
Yet on the other hand you pile into 5 cars and get charged with careless! ....which usually is just 4 or 6 points and a fine!
I'm getting done with Dangerous (which carries a mandatory ban and retest!) for doing 120 at midnight on an empty motorway doing no harm to anyone.
Yet on the other hand you pile into 5 cars and get charged with careless!
....which usually is just 4 or 6 points and a fine!
11-11-2008, 01:21 PM
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He has given the "facts" as he sees them, and asked for advise
Peoples advise seems to be that for a start his story smells like a dead fish.
surley as chip says thats some of the best advise he could ask for.
If 9/10 on this thread are all thinking the same, whats the court going to think bearing in mind they also like to make examples of people and he has 11 points already!!!
Wether or not he was doing 30 we will never know, and hes not gna admit as i said on a public forum open to the police and courts gathering evidence.
His description of the event and more of the damage that resulted, does sound on first impression to be suss!
If he had some picture to maybe clear up people doubts on the damage maybe minds will change.
As said no ones slated him, if i was in his shoes id be saying thank you very much for pointing out thats as i stant my current evidence is gna land me in the shit!
11-11-2008, 01:31 PM
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Really feel for ya pal, apply for legal aid & explain what happened to them !!
If he's lost all steerin after colliding with the 1st car he has very little say in where the car is goin !! Then if that wheels brakes are comprimised, then he'll have little or no braking especially if on a twin circuit system, the pedal would hit the floor & it would feel like he's doin nothin !!
It was down his road so knows it VERY well, if he hit the 1st car at around 30, then slid down the side of the rest I can honestly believe that !!
Good luck pal, keep us informed !!
jb
If he's lost all steerin after colliding with the 1st car he has very little say in where the car is goin !! Then if that wheels brakes are comprimised, then he'll have little or no braking especially if on a twin circuit system, the pedal would hit the floor & it would feel like he's doin nothin !!
It was down his road so knows it VERY well, if he hit the 1st car at around 30, then slid down the side of the rest I can honestly believe that !!
Good luck pal, keep us informed !!
jb
why would the peddle hit the floor?do you really think the caliper would not still be working in a 30mph shunt?
11-11-2008, 01:33 PM
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well if it snapped the bottom arm, it might have moved enough to split the brake line but i seriously doubt this would happen at 30, im more intersted in how you loose all braking by one split line on a twin system brake set-up lol
11-11-2008, 01:38 PM
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i agree 100% i handnt even got to that one.
i doubt he would have been doing 30mph but the bloke has to try!
11-11-2008, 01:41 PM
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PMSL @ SBD !! It "could" of been like that !
And in the original post I put up the important word was "if". The pedal would hit the floor (so to speak, excessive pedal travel), if that line fell down (leak of some sort), your'd have roughly 50% braking efficency but wouldn't feel like it to the driver & that was the perspective I was comin from !! Sorry if that wasn't too clear
Was mainly aimin at the peeps statin he would of had 3 wheels braking the car when that might not of been the case !! This is all hypothetically (sp) speakin tho !! lol
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It "could" of been like that ! And in the original post I put up the important word was "if". The pedal would hit the floor (so to speak, excessive pedal travel), if that line fell down (leak of some sort), your'd have roughly 50% braking efficency but wouldn't feel like it to the driver & that was the perspective I was comin from !! Sorry if that wasn't too clear
Was mainly aimin at the peeps statin he would of had 3 wheels braking the car when that might not of been the case !! This is all hypothetically (sp) speakin tho !! loljb
11-11-2008, 02:01 PM
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Gentle applications of the handbrake would of also slowed you down The RSPCA commend you for avoiding the fox 
. The Government will bend you over and stuff your arse full of prison semen that you'll shit it out for the rest of your days.
The RSPCA commend you for avoiding the fox . The Government will bend you over and stuff your arse full of prison semen that you'll shit it out for the rest of your days.