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Old 05-10-2008, 04:48 PM
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Anyone know what the pin is for?
Old 05-10-2008, 06:06 PM
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anyone.before it drops to nowhere land never to be viewed again?
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Unused......

It`s only used on L8 for the air con input for idle stabilisation
Old 05-10-2008, 06:13 PM
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strange as my level 6 has a wire attached internally to it which then is soldered onto a pin on the chip which is not plugged in to then have a resistor going onto the next pin!!!???
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not used i think
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Is it maybe something to do with the traction control ?

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Old 05-10-2008, 06:19 PM
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Mmmmmm interesting, not seen one like that before...... maybe one of the old hands recognises it

Give Tony(Tony S Mannock)a shout,he`s seen everything over the years
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i just want to up the power but dont want to change the chip incase its important
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l6 ecu's are dirt cheap why not jjust get one from ebay or that & keep this one as is
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Oh and that`s an L1 by the way....
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can you change 3 door on l1 to l6 or l8?
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Originally Posted by The Diva
Oh and that`s an L1 by the way....
thanks for that i needed to know that,as it is a 3dr BUT has a w45.06/L20 on the case which i assume is the level 6 code?

can you get a level 1 MSD chip for greys?
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i would search for a L8, you would have alot more options for you then! (closed loop/als)
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Someone has modified that to enable a map switch function.

They have fitted an eprom that is twice the size, and loaded 2 chip programs in it.
The extra pin switches between 2 seperate programs in effect.

Multiple ignition maps most likely!

Ground the pin to switch chips.



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ah yes,,, its a 256 eprom!
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
ah yes,,, its a 256 eprom!
Gareth,

Actually that eprom is 4 times the size of the standard L1 chip.

The ecu can only read the size of its original chip unless its been modified with a plug in board etc....

L1 used a 2764 (8 kb)

L6 used a 27128 (16 kb)

L8 used a 27128 (16 kb)

P8 used a 27256 (32 kb)

You can use bigger as long as the extra address pins are fixed in a known state.

Effectively, half that chip is empty !!!

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i remember stu talking about this to my years ago! saying 27c128 are getting hard to get hold of, so maybe using 27c256 in L8's

i didnt know L1's was 8kb's PMSL
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Yes, its much cheaper to use a bigger/faster memory chip now !

How times have changed...lol

When I first started in electronics my first eprom I ever used was a 2708.
It had 512 bytes (half a kilobyte) and needed 3 voltages +5v, +12v and -5v and consumed around 20 watts of energy LOL
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20 watts,,,,, are you sure your not talking about your soldering iron PMSL
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so what does this mean 2 maps?its running stage 1 at the moment.Why would this happen?Are you SURE flux this is what it is,anymore info appreciated.
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Gareth, Cheeky coont

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Trotter,

Yes I am 100% sure this is what that does. I do have ECU experience

As for what is in the chip(s), ONLY the original tuner will know !!!!!!

Could be different maps for anything, ignition, fuel boost and/or any of those !!

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so just getting a level 6 ecu will plug straight in with no other mods?Not interested in L8 and all those stupid gimmicks just want a chip to run greys and a T34
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OR can i get a chip for this level 1 to keep car original and have a good greys/T34 map?
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You should be able to get a chip for what ever you need or have already from a reputable experienced tuner.
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Originally Posted by Flux Capacitor
Gareth,

Actually that eprom is 4 times the size of the standard L1 chip.

The ecu can only read the size of its original chip unless its been modified with a plug in board etc....

L1 used a 2764 (8 kb)

L6 used a 2764 (8 kb)

L8 used a 27128 (16 kb)

P8 used a 27256 (32 kb)

You can use bigger as long as the extra address pins are fixed in a known state.

Effectively, half that chip is empty !!!
Edited that for you mate. I know you know this, just a typo.
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Originally Posted by Trotter
OR can i get a chip for this level 1 to keep car original and have a good greys/T34 map?
No problem at all.
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thanks Stu , It was a cut and paste error. lol

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