booner999

Anyone know of, or have turbo'd a M3, either e30, e36, e46?

Info needed please

Rab

Know of loads mate. The Scandinavians have been at this for years!! Some with insane amounts of power!!

Ginge !

cant be dont on right hand drive though im afraid, the steering rack gets in the way

SteveH

Can you supercharge a RHD one? if so...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnNUESDgaEI

fuzzy

just as well e30 m3's are left hand drive then although theres a few e36 m3 engines transplanted into e30's that have been turbod and right hand drive.

Ginge !

its not it cant be done, its just alot more work hence people tend not to do it,,,, i didnt thiink about it for a bit too

booner999

DTM are the guys to see about this. Seen lots of forien cars, but no english supercharged or turboed, well one chap but thats it.

Anyone got anyideas what it would cost to get one up and running with say 400bhp?

fuzzy

which bmw are you taking about specifically?

booner999

well I am talking about a 3.0 M3 E36 as the evo engine is hard as fook to turbo or supercharge and they say the 3.0 is a stronger engine

fuzzy

you can buy kits of the shelf. do a google search for e36 m3 turbo kits. heres one.
http://www.bimmerworld.com/html/acti...---1995-m3.htm

Ginge !

fuzzy they are aimed at LHD cars though as i was looking for them before

fuzzy

i didnt look to closely tbh. i do know there is people that have turbod their e36's whether custom manifolds were used or not i dont know. but as you said it can be done but will be more expensive.

booner999

so would a supercharger fit or is it the same kind of problem?

Stavros

talking shite again i see.

know someone, in fact im pretty sure stu@md does too, with a turbo E36 M3 with a RR proven 880bhp in the UK, and his mates got a E46 with a 650bhp turbo lump in it too.

neither have had any drastic surgery due to the steering column, why would you? turbo can go where you want, a steering column is just a thin bit of metal.

as long as your not an utter retard you can easily make sure something isnt in the way of the thin big of metal.

booner999

are these kits any good? and will they take much more power? was looking for 400 plus? or would I have to scrap this and get another turbo kit and upgrade all the internals in the engine?

was quoted Ł17,000 for a full twin turbo kit with 500 plus bhp and a full engine rebuild

big_wig_074

17000 pounds????lol!!!!i can buy a lamborghini diablo engine and box for less than that!!!there are kits online for these,theres a few companies in the usa that have realised theres a market for the uk buyers and have developed rhd kits.but as steve says,a little thought would help overcome minor issues and i know of 3 or 4 e36 turbos in the country!

fuzzy

i dont know if the kits are any good quality wise. i do know that in the e30's case the favoured turbo's are Holset. much bigger and much cheaper than garretts and seem to be quite hard wearing.

booner999

what sort of power are they getting out of them mate?

booner999

any way i can contact some to speak about what the best route is etc

Ginge !

i was refering to the general kits available and the issue why they aint as common, its not talking shite its telling what issues come up, take a look in the engine bay and see where its gonna have to be fitted THEN understand what im talking about, the engine is leaning that direction so its gotta be fitted low down anyway,, thats where the steering rack causes the issues,,,, yeah mount the turbo anywhere but how much for a one off bespoke manifold for a M3 gonna be you think ???

as said i looked into it, kits from the states are straight forward but the RHD causes a big issues on the ones over here hence there aint many done for the amount of M3's on the road

infact tell me WHERE you can get a off the shelf kit or a tuner who will do the mods to convert it

your the one talking shite by saying " a turbo can go anywhere",,, course it fucking can its just the cost involved to get it to happen thats the main issue

Stavros

your words never cease to amaze me ginge



Shite. Fact.
As it can be turbod, no big deal, just cant use the usual LHD turbo manifolds, same as LHD to RHD manifolds often dont work on the majority of the worlds cars, turbo or not.

A turbo can go anywhere, it dont have to go where its in the way of the steering column. Fact, and there are a good few in the UK.

Ginge !

fact its not as straight forward as you make out, have a look in the fucking engine bay to understand what i fucking mean

i was talking about kits available for them, you can tell that in the next post from me

i know a little bit about mounting exhaust systems you may find ffs

Ginge !

the kits on ebay being sold are marketed as " designed for lhd but can be fitted to rhd" which is what most people who think about this look at

its not as easy as its made out, or as you seem to make it out either

booner999

I just want something that is going to produce 400 horses, and wont crack or go wrong as soon as its on.

Would the gearbox need uprating etc?

big_wig_074

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hw6_CFKitGg
or go twin charged!!!

booner999

OK this proves that you can turbo a right hand drive m3

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zWgyJTsATBg&NR=1

and supercharge lol

booner999

So how much would a manifold cost to be custom made?

Stavros

300-800quid, depending what you want and who does it.

what you talking about you spaz, i know M3s mate, and i didnt make out anything, but its still not hard, jus cant mount it where the LHD ones sit it.

and what do you know about mounting exhausts? because you sell standard pattern exhausts in your parts department?

booner999

Found a company in the UK that will do straight conversions on a price will let you know what I get.

fuzzy

i know a company that will do it for you. somewhere in london iirc.ant @ A-tech
a turbo conversion on an e30 will be about Ł3G+ iirc.

Rab

Sell your M3 and buy an E30 325i and turbo that! Could easily see 400bhp with some pistons on that engine. Nicer looking car too IMHO

fuzzy

youll need to spend a good few thousand pounds to get an m20 to 400bhp.

big_wig_074

active autowerke do a kit,loads of aussies do them,they tend to mount them on the inlet side.but there are a LOT of places to fit a turbo other than just next to the exhaust ports!

Rab

Less than 17k though

I would think you'd need, pistons, a head gasket that better than OE, 325TDS Manifold, decent engine managment and big fuck-off intercooler.

Surely cheaper than fannying about with some custom stuff for the RHD M3 enigne, no?

fuzzy

yep, i suppose if you put it that way....

big_wig_074

no....rear mount turbo,away you go!

Rab

Bit laggy that isn't it?

fuzzy

allegedly not but i dont believe that.

big_wig_074

because the most important thing in a turbo engine is where you place the turbo?regardless of size,compression ratio,the rest of the engine spec,everything!no!
in fact its so crap that the worlds fastest independant rear suspension corvette uses this set up to run in the 8s!!!!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGwDDcE420

Rab

Well, it has quite a bit of pipework to fill before you get to the throttle body? And corvettes doing 8's in the US is different to an M3 road car being fun in the UK. Americans wouldn't know what to do with a B road, it would confuse them.

So while it works in a yank tank going in a straight line, it might not work too well in a lower specced road car over here............