Timeattack the real truth "Club class" the shake up.my views
21-08-2008, 04:47 PM
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rods car has done a 50.00 dead at brands only last year
he has not been under he magic 50.00 sec barrier as far as i know
and he is runing large slicks with 540 bhp and eight years of set up.
the time actack cars have raised the bar with stunning times to get below 50 sec without slicks!
he has not been under he magic 50.00 sec barrier as far as i know
and he is runing large slicks with 540 bhp and eight years of set up.
the time actack cars have raised the bar with stunning times to get below 50 sec without slicks!
21-08-2008, 05:10 PM
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i was in the process of grafting this carbon splitter onto a cossie front bumper to help eliminate understeer just before i broke mine,i think it would have helped....
21-08-2008, 06:11 PM
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21-08-2008, 06:15 PM
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I agree with that Mike, as the Cossie boys are struggling to find a set-up that works with the control tyres.
All the top cars are mega-bhp monsters that rely on hugh top speeds, rather than corner speed, as the tyres don't allow big corner speed on big bhp cars (just not being designed for 600+ bhp cars). In my investigations to find a set-up that works on my car (pressure and temp wise), many have reported the control tyre as having a really small window of perfect operating temps and optimum grip levels.
The Cossies, being well down on power, rely on corner speed and are therefore struggling (ask Tommy about his set-up attempts at Brands).
All the top cars are mega-bhp monsters that rely on hugh top speeds, rather than corner speed, as the tyres don't allow big corner speed on big bhp cars (just not being designed for 600+ bhp cars). In my investigations to find a set-up that works on my car (pressure and temp wise), many have reported the control tyre as having a really small window of perfect operating temps and optimum grip levels.
The Cossies, being well down on power, rely on corner speed and are therefore struggling (ask Tommy about his set-up attempts at Brands).
What it shows is your cant just jump in and expect to match/beat the cars that are competing,
I think a sorted well set up Cossie with around 600hp+ can compete but the level is very high in the series it will take a lot of work to compete.
Mark
21-08-2008, 06:30 PM
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put that car on the control tyre and i say take at least a second or more off his time
i dont think a 600bhp cossie would do well at all
like tommy's its on fully active diffs so just control the diff to do what you want it to and your away but like mike says its the tyres that are letting the escort down
imo ofcourse
21-08-2008, 06:30 PM
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And whats your veiws on aero kits Mark?
Surely a cossie is about as aerodynamic as a brick, not that an Evo is much better or Scooby but one with an aero kit well..
Jimbob you say the tyres are letting it down, if every other car can manage on them then why can a cossie not?
Mike
Surely a cossie is about as aerodynamic as a brick, not that an Evo is much better or Scooby but one with an aero kit well..
Jimbob you say the tyres are letting it down, if every other car can manage on them then why can a cossie not?
Mike
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21-08-2008, 06:32 PM
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And whats your veiws on aero kits Mark?
Surely a cossie is about as aerodynamic as a brick, not that an Evo is much better or Scooby but one with an aero kit well..
Jimbob you say the tyres are letting it down, if every other car can manage on them then why can a cossie not?
Mike
Surely a cossie is about as aerodynamic as a brick, not that an Evo is much better or Scooby but one with an aero kit well..
Jimbob you say the tyres are letting it down, if every other car can manage on them then why can a cossie not?
Mike
the saying is point and squirt i think
21-08-2008, 06:33 PM
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And whats your veiws on aero kits Mark?
Surely a cossie is about as aerodynamic as a brick, not that an Evo is much better or Scooby but one with an aero kit well..
Jimbob you say the tyres are letting it down, if every other car can manage on them then why can a cossie not?
Mike
Surely a cossie is about as aerodynamic as a brick, not that an Evo is much better or Scooby but one with an aero kit well..
Jimbob you say the tyres are letting it down, if every other car can manage on them then why can a cossie not?
Mike
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21-08-2008, 06:34 PM
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mark look at rods car it is doing 50 seconds round brands with 520bhp so this is set up very well right !
put that car on the control tyre and i say take at least a second or more off his time
i dont think a 600bhp cossie would do well at all
like tommy's its on fully active diffs so just control the diff to do what you want it to and your away but like mike says its the tyres that are letting the escort down
imo ofcourse
put that car on the control tyre and i say take at least a second or more off his time
i dont think a 600bhp cossie would do well at all
like tommy's its on fully active diffs so just control the diff to do what you want it to and your away but like mike says its the tyres that are letting the escort down
imo ofcourse
Mark
21-08-2008, 11:09 PM
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i did a round of ta at oulton
let them have all the power and down force
simple way to equal the classes wet the track
and only allow 888s
because for all the power and mods none were going to quick in the wet
and only allow pro drivers in pro class
i personally wont and would not do another ta round
to dear ,organized chaios and very bitchy
i do feel sorry for the organizers though as on the day most were only interested in
them selves
all said i did enjoy myself and in the wet was very competative in a fairly standard
scoob ra in comparrison with the rest of the field
why not start a new race
ford attack
fords only
2wd fwd 4x4
pre 1980
post 1980
etc
and fuck all the jap stuff off
could have the rs owners days as the venues
even do a 0-60 and quatermile
just a thought
let them have all the power and down force
simple way to equal the classes wet the track
and only allow 888s
because for all the power and mods none were going to quick in the wet
and only allow pro drivers in pro class
i personally wont and would not do another ta round
to dear ,organized chaios and very bitchy
i do feel sorry for the organizers though as on the day most were only interested in
them selves
all said i did enjoy myself and in the wet was very competative in a fairly standard
scoob ra in comparrison with the rest of the field
why not start a new race
ford attack
fords only
2wd fwd 4x4
pre 1980
post 1980
etc
and fuck all the jap stuff off
could have the rs owners days as the venues
even do a 0-60 and quatermile
just a thought
22-08-2008, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JC
why not start a new race
ford attack
fords only
2wd fwd 4x4
pre 1980
post 1980
etc
and fuck all the jap stuff off
could have the rs owners days as the venues
even do a 0-60 and quatermile
just a thought
ford attack
fords only
2wd fwd 4x4
pre 1980
post 1980
etc
and fuck all the jap stuff off
could have the rs owners days as the venues
even do a 0-60 and quatermile
just a thought
22-08-2008, 08:55 AM
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Only joking - agree with most of your comments re TA organisation
23-08-2008, 08:59 AM
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Interestingly enough quite a lot of the drivers from 07 to 08 have gone for less power and more driving ability and car set up!!!
Warren is a good example of this by fitting a smaller turbo and going for less overall power, he went quicker at Brands this year considering the track wasn't offering much grip on the day but had a better set up complete with a winter overhaul of all major suspension parts etc.,. He's gone away, thought about things that make a good track car, looked at his own ability and moved his package forwards. Not forgetting also he was only running on his lowest boost setting (because of a technical problem) so it's a credit to what can be achieved with a little thought.
From what I can see being at all the rounds and watching/looking it seems a few of the top runners from last year have kinda rested on their laurels and got caught with there pants down.
Cheap motorsport competiton means you one choice - X Box 360 or PS3 I'm afraid
Glen
Warren is a good example of this by fitting a smaller turbo and going for less overall power, he went quicker at Brands this year considering the track wasn't offering much grip on the day but had a better set up complete with a winter overhaul of all major suspension parts etc.,. He's gone away, thought about things that make a good track car, looked at his own ability and moved his package forwards. Not forgetting also he was only running on his lowest boost setting (because of a technical problem) so it's a credit to what can be achieved with a little thought.
From what I can see being at all the rounds and watching/looking it seems a few of the top runners from last year have kinda rested on their laurels and got caught with there pants down.
Cheap motorsport competiton means you one choice - X Box 360 or PS3 I'm afraid
Glen
23-08-2008, 09:08 AM
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Glen is there any plans to relax the Tyre control issue after the current deal expires ?
And do you think the tyre deal makes things harder or easier
Mike
And do you think the tyre deal makes things harder or easier
Mike
23-08-2008, 10:41 PM
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Having the same tyres can only make it more of a leveller to be fair in competition, but yes I appreciate the for's and against's but overall it does work in the level playing field scenario. Out of interest I have spoken with Tim Chandler for example (with the Porsche GT3 RS) and he has had to re jig his set up to deal with the TOYO's but once he done this and got sorted he is really happy with them now and his car is performing well on them.
Our main challenge is now sorting out the classes to be a lot more balanced and after the 14 events we've done over the past 3 years I reckon we have a solution, thats assuming the drivers, teams and tuners don't move the goal posts too much by advancements in car prep and driving as this is a damn hard area to second guess!
But overall we are getting there and hope the changes for 09 clarify the classes for the future.
Glen
24-08-2008, 03:19 AM
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Glen, what constitutes Pro class, l mean Barrie from DCY in club class? how does that work, l only ask as this is the obvious one?
I would love to enter this at some stage but the level of club class certainly make it dauting on cost.
Mike
I would love to enter this at some stage but the level of club class certainly make it dauting on cost.
Mike
24-08-2008, 07:55 AM
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Just stumbled on this thread as I don't get on here too much, some interesting points being made. Money and your own budget will always affect results and as everybody moves forward you need more and more. :-(
This season did not go as planned for many reasons, mostly down to suspension problems and a much heavier car than my main rivals. I do have plans for next season all be it not finalised yet. I have not spoken to Mark or he to me concerning any further involvement, although reading this that is now clear all be it a bit dissapointing to find out on a public forum.
There are going to be some changes to class structures next year, which I am sure Glen will update when all the t's are crossed etc.... which will make things a bit closer for the Club Class entrants next year.
Good luck to everyone who enters next year, I'm sure the series will continue to grow in popularity and attract more quality sponsors for the " Time Attack " branding.
Rgds
Kev
This season did not go as planned for many reasons, mostly down to suspension problems and a much heavier car than my main rivals. I do have plans for next season all be it not finalised yet. I have not spoken to Mark or he to me concerning any further involvement, although reading this that is now clear all be it a bit dissapointing to find out on a public forum.
There are going to be some changes to class structures next year, which I am sure Glen will update when all the t's are crossed etc.... which will make things a bit closer for the Club Class entrants next year.
Good luck to everyone who enters next year, I'm sure the series will continue to grow in popularity and attract more quality sponsors for the " Time Attack " branding.
Rgds
Kev
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