PF Dave

Whoops!

Think they might do a re-shuffle on the day as if they are trying to keep it regimented you three hooligans are going to scare the crap out of some! lol

I'll find where you're all at and try and join you though. Got my bullet camera ready for some more proof too! (You staying at the usual venue? Few drinks the night before?)

justin.e

I'll be up for that Dave,Iam sure the other two will be as well.Not staying local the night before,anyway Ive more sence nowOisin is coming over with me......

J1mbo

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dont they HAVE to run a road tyre and 888's happen to be the best road tyre just not up to standards of slicks as we were told when we got them they are the best tyre around !

we find them really good martin we use pirelli and are a really grippy tyre when hot and last a good time too

Porkie

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Whislt we are stating the obvious, may I point out that this




is a faster plane than this





R888's are a superb trackday road legal tyre at a great price. THE END.

There are better available... Dunlops direzzas for example and the Michelin Pilot sport cups perhaps but the R888's ARE good and are great value.

Yes a slick is better... but as I said thats fooking obvious

Hearing great things about the Hankook trackday tyre by the way. Anyone used these?

Martin-Hadland

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I doubt that anyone would have told you that 888's give as much grip as slicks in bone dry conditions BUT as lots of track days do not allow them then the 888 becomes ideal. On the flip side put some water on the track and then compare the two!!

I don't want anyone reading this thread walking away with the impression that the 888 is not a good tyre for track use because that is not the case. I have these on both of my cars

Going back to these Pirelli slicks, I'm sure Harvey told me they were part worns previously used on Porsche track cars?

Stavros

The TDP R32 Time Attack car runs these, reckons they better than 888s.

Going by the amount of grooves in them they should be decent in wet too

Porkie

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J1mbo

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ok martin that is fair enough but in our opinion they are not as good as we were told so i think its best to leave it there every one has their own opinoin
the pireeli's that we use are a rally slick we use a hard compound and they are verygood also tyhey are only a 225 so for the size they perform well

porkie 888's may well be fine for you and many many others but as i said it is our opinion we dont like then but each tpo there own and all that !!

Porkie

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no mate.... what you said was this.

and this

and there seems to be a small stewards enquiry as to exactly what pressures you had in them and you were comparing them with slicks!

I just think what you said originally was a bit silly mate and could give people the wrong impression. Glad you seem to be changing your tune and will try them again and try and experiement with the pressures.


Facts are there are Time Attack cars running more power that will lap ALOT faster than the escort using R888's.... SO slagging the tyres off in the way you did was a bit harsh in my opinion. I don't wanna take anything away from Harveys car either because I REALLY REALLY like it and its clearly very fast

They ARE a very good road legal trackday tyre at very good prices!

J1mbo

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we actually did try them at correct pressure i never knew this when i first posted as i was too busy chatting at FF and didnt see that harvey had dropped the pressure 5psi
he commented that if anything it had made them worse as he said on here

id also like to clarify we were comparing them with 225 part worn pirelli rally slicks not full slick tyres as we have never had full slicks on the car . . yet

to be fair i probably was a bit harsh it how i put my/HG's feeling across and should have said in my opinion first of all

justin.e

dont surpose anyone took any pics of the actual car then?

J1mbo

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ahh oisin im gonna see the litttle one then

justin you rekun mike deserves a "dip" if u no wat i mean

Warren

I tend not to get involved in these hear say debates but the fact remains when I walked passed Mike’s car yesterday I thought he had 4 slow punctures, I asked how the car was running and when he said it’s sliding all over the place I couldn’t help but think he’d be better of running with no tyres. His storm trooper helmet may have affected the cars handling with the pendulum effect he was suffering with

The R888 requires many factors to find the optimum settings and I don’t think these were met on Mike’s car, for example what was tyre temperature across the tread inside middle and outside? Were you getting a hot psi reading of 40 degrees have you considered Nitrogen to try stabilise the temperatures and find the balance?

Sorry Mike but you were an easy target

BTW the cars looked great on track besides your tyre issues

Cheers, Warren

Mike Rainbird

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Yeah, you were a great help . My car was sliding all over the place in the first session with what must have been 40+psi pressures (they were all mid to high 30s after a cool down lap (red flag) and measuring the pressures once we got back to the Fast Ford stand. Naturally, only having experienced road tyres or the tarmac spec rally slicks, I though that trying to keep them to 30psi on track was the best idea, so dropped them down to around what I thought would be 20psi cold. I was then going out on my final session and you tell me that I should aim to achive 40psi as I drive off - cheers .

I was thinking of nitrogen and how I could do this, as I have a couple of bottles of it at work . Is there any definitive answers, as I found the car under-steered more on the lower pressures (but wasn't sure if that was because I was pushing harder?). Where do you get your info from?

Warren

It's all trial and testing my friend

I was up at Snetterton for one reason lastweek and it wasn't to see you, I was getting readings of 40 on the left of the car and 32 on the right rear across the tyre was spot on for +1 degree of camber but Brands I need more

I have my settings for Brands but they go out the window if the temps are too low or high it just depends on the day, it how quick you get to the magic numbers that matters ask any F1 team Sadly I don't have them resources

The info comes from Toyo direct

Warren

Also with Nitrogen I know I can run 5psi more in the tyre on a hot day, I'd rather have air in the tyre than not anyday....... Wouldn't you?

JonnyBravo

We found at Snet that you needed to start with about 22psi in 888's to get them to a suitable pressure, after 12 or so laps they were upto 28-29 and stayed that way all day.

Any more or less than that and the car felt loose, I do find them v good on some tracks and not great on others, however at rockingham for example they didn't last at all, but then no road tyre would either.

Can't fault them for the money but you do need to know a little about them before you use them or you won't get the most from them, we learnt the hard way but they seem to be lasting now and the grip is there

dojj

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didn't see mikes motor on the track
or the ag focus
but did see the harvey motor giving it some up the strip, although i didn't get the time
seem to be a middle aged gentleman driving it though at the time

J1mbo

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harveys 0-60 time was 2.99 was awsome to watch full anti lag sounded great
harvey was the driver. . . cue rainbums remark on the middle aged gentleman haha

glancy2081

was the suspension settings altered when the 888s were fitted

J1mbo

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yes the cars tracking was fully set up to group a manual specs whilst on 888's

Wayne Ash

thought harveys car looked good out on the track

rs_turbo_ant

looked great went well and sounded the dogs bollocks

FULLBORE

We got one of it ready to go home

J1mbo

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looks well cheers m8 quess what my job is this week

Wayne Ash

looks like them wheels will take a bit of cleaning

J1mbo

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yeah ! bloody thing i myt not dom it as we could be @ brunter so i will do it after ready for donny

Wayne Ash

well at least they will be easier to clean than them comp cxn's that ive got on the 500.

J1mbo

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thats a tooth brush job eh

Wayne Ash

yep and it takes bloody ages!! still wont use it again untill national day so got a bit of time to get it clean

mr mclean

just get cleaning it jim...at least your be doing something worth while in the workshop!!

J1mbo

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i gotta clean the whole work shop b4 he gets back

dojj

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it did sound the absolute dogs danlies as it went up the strip
and i was fumbling with the camera as it went around, it even stopped right in front of me but i wasn't fast enough to capture the occasion

Mike Rainbird

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Are you on track at Donno for ND? If so, perhaps you can bring your temp gauge and we can do some testing and see what we can come up with .

Spiky

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maplin sell good one for cheap money

i'm going to get one of these

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...=14&doy=search

Warren

I'm show and shine for ND No problem I always keep them in the car, promise you'll invest in a proper LID too.......

Mike Rainbird

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It is proper (if you have a bike as well )). The lift up part can be detached, but I was hoping for a ride out in some open wheelers (Stu or Lee ).

Warren

stop being a pikie and buy another LID you Flid

I may still get on track

Mike Rainbird

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I managed to get a space yesterday for someone, so pull your finger out .

Warren

I have my sources too ketchup and bbq