Just did a little search about the LPG conversion..and this is what it costs the have it done.

Ford Escort 2.0 RS 2000 4x4 Hatchback 3d 1998cc.
LPG System BRC Sequent (G)
Tank Toroidal
Cost of Conversion £1,685.00 + VAT
Net Cost of Conversion £1,979.88 inc. VAT
Petrol Spend PA £1,862.63
LPG Spend PA £1,045.76
Saving PA £816.88
Saving after 4 years £3,267.50
Return on Investment 41.3%
CO2 Saving (Tonnes PA) 1.27
Approved By Top 20
Insurance Companies Yes
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it also gives you this..
There are no hidden extras with Greenfuel - all conversions come complete with:

Largest suitable approved tank
LED fuel guage
Full warranty
LPGA certificate of conformity
Bi-fuel configuration so you can switch to petrol if you need
Instant foam sealer for punctures approved by the NTDA
Document wallet and instructions
UK map featuring over 1400 LPG refuelling sites
Courtesy check service after 1000 miles
Free "Hold Til Sold" advertising on our website for when you sell your car
UK-Wide Network


so this looks well worth having it done....time to save some money...

 

Johhny....few questions


Dont the modern gas injection systems piggyback and modify the OE injector triggers in order to determine how much gas to inject ? I was under the impression this is how most systems worked ?

If so, surely re-programming the OE ecu ( or an aftermarket in its place ) would still give total control ?
Dual map ecu would be excellent. One for petrol, the other tuned for LPG

Or can the gas injectors be fired directly off the aftermarket ecu ? What impedance are these injectors ?
If they drew too much current, how about sorting a 24v supply for injectors only, which should lower the current. No doubt the injectors could still handle the higher voltage ( although perhaps not 24v. Same idea though )

What are the flow limitations of modern injectors, and more importantly, the gas regulators ??


And for high powered cars, whilst the RON improvement is welcomed, dont forget you are no longer injecting a liquid. So there is a substantial cooling effect lost by not injecting liquid petrol.

Sort a liquid gas injection system,....and that would be cool !!!!

 

my mate just bought a lhd escos back from poland running gas, and has done over 10k since the conversion has been done, and he bought it back from poland and did not miss a beat.

 

Just finished work 6am... Spoke to my mate, last night, who had his Audi A6 converted....cost him 2800 euro BUT that inc a Prins top oiler system, which injects oil into the gas, therefore lubricating the engine.....He says hes using 1 Ltr of Lube Oil for every 1000 km.........So bring it on ...Im calling the same conversion company he used here in Belgium..When I wake up this afternoon http://www.camcar.be/ and some more healthy reading on my exploding thread is http://www.octane-magazine.com/featu...onversion.html .....Will let you know what the outcome of my phonecall is later on.....Must hit the sack now...Hanging.....Til later.. Wilmot (Liege-Belgium)

 

Just called the guys at http://www.camcar.be/ they were very helpful and spoke better English than me... they seem very hopeful about me having a dual fuel Gas System WITH a Top Oiler..... http://www.prins-lpg.com/en/index.html ... Also more 'Guff' on the subject for everyone to look at http://www.fiatbravoclub.nl/forum/in...howtopic=11171 I know its a 'Fiat' but the information is still helpful.... Rgds to All Wilmot

 

My only concern is:

If alot of people convert to LPG won't the government tax that as much as petrol? They will have to make up the loses from the petrol takings somewhere.

Also, where can you get LPG? All petrol stations? Im thinking of converting me Skoda.

 

liquid phase systems already exist to utilise the original petrol injectors locations, start on gas and facilitate complete removal of the petrol system. You get the cooling effect back, never need to run on petrol so you can increase Cr and they burn completely clean. They do cost tho!

 

LPG Stations in the Uk and Europe.... http://www.boostlpg.co.uk/

 

Most motorway service stations have it. Morrisons have it the cheapest I am told.

Benni.

 

Cheers, there's a few places round here I can see the price of it rising in the next few years tho and according to that website it will rise very, very slightly more than petrol/diesel each time!

 

Dont the government have an agreement to keep the tax on lpg the same for a few more years??

Found a place near me that sells it for 48p a litre, 5p a litre less than morrisons.

No points for guessing what the V8 discovery im getting at the end of the year will be running on

 

Just a little more on this 'Upper Engine Lube Systems' for LPG cars.. http://www.vanmeenen.com/LPG-autogas.../flashlube.htm Will try and get some more info when I go see about my Cossy tomorrow...Late afternoon...

 

The only downside for me living here in Belgium, is that I cant use the Euro Tunnel when going back to the Uk.....No Gas allowed...

 

if you want flashlube , i sell flashlube . but wait a bit because we soon have a electric flashlube kit. which will work much better on a turbo engine .

Regards Rob

 

link to flashlube site


http://www.flashlube.com.au/

 

Wilmot,

Did'nt know you had picked up the cossie from alun's place, last i had heard it was still in his garage,

Regards Dave R.

 

Came and collected it 5 or 6 weeks ago, now a kid on a bike has been up the bonnet, so its coming home for paint in about 4 weeks, Check out the pics on My Cossys in Belgium thread......

 

Well to see David at CamCar at Diepenbeek, he was very professional and through checking out my car...But as its so old we have a problem, but he also said he would do his very best to try and resolve this issue....I will try to explain...His main concern when he had the bonnet up was to find out the resistance across the injectors, which if I remember correctly was 3.8 Ohms....The new 'Gas' Ecu operates the injectors at 1.7 Ohms, so there is our first problem and the second issue, and I hope I have this the right way round... The signal from the 'Gas' Ecu switches the Injector open and closed, using the - Neg side of the Injector.... and you guessed it the Injector I have fitted uses the + Pos............. he says he will various 'Wizard' type people he knows, and will try to resolve both these issues...I think as far as he knows, mine will be the first 'Road Going' Gas powered Cossy in this part of the World..........So for now we have to wait, and see what he finds out..I also hope that my informatation is correct, as some of you know im an Aircraft Engineer and Not an Injection Specialist.....He speaks Prefect English and will Hopefully be adding to this thread as things move forward.......Be assured I/we will get this going, so we all can have Cossy Fuel at 60p a litre.......Hope this is of help to some of you and please ANY constructive advice will be very welcome.......PassionFord and all of the Serious people on here have a vast database of knowledge on Fords of all sorts.....So Heads together Boys..........Lets get this sorted....Wilmot....

 

What make lpg system is he on about ?

Regards Rob

 

Prins..............Pics will follow in a Mo

 

somebody i use to have work with had a vauxhall astra 1600 dul fuel van from new but it had a tendancy to melt the 4th spark plug on the 4th cylinder? and it seemed it required more revs on gas as power seemd down?

 

Not sure why my pics didnt come out .....can anyone help...

 

personally i would use a brc system , more poss. and more usable for high powered engines , i will check with the brc people tomorrow.

Rob

 

Now this would make a good topic for Stu in fast ford

Petrol vs Gas

Paul

 

wonder if they do a conversion for my poous

 

You can only save so much money before you become known as the local tight arse.

Benni.

 

lol
I just don't wish to contribute any more money to golden brown i am just being tax efficient

 

Some pics of David and my '3Cos' from CamCars

 

They do

 

Thanks Rob......Please send a link......Thanks Wilmot

 

Could you not run 4 relays that are fired from positive side of injectors to close the earth?? I am not sure that relays are quick enough acting though are they?

 

link please

 

I just spoke to brc in the netherlands , injector resistance is not a problem. But injector signal pos/neg might be a problem , but the dutch agent has to ask the brc (factory) in italy!

http://www.brc.it/

http://www.flashlube-europe.com/

 

Hi Rob...Where do you live in Holland...How far are you from Liege....Wilmot...

 

Enschede

 

Hi Rob. Any news from BRC....ref contacting the Factory in Italy about the polarity of the Cossy Injectors....Thanks Wilmot

 

i thought that cossie injectors were negative switched?

i have a flashlube system on my galaxy, but it would be no good on a turbo as it relies on engine vacuum to draw in the oil. you coulod have a one way valve, but depending on how and where you are driving, you may not get any oil sucked in for a while. not a problem if you have the correct valve seats iirc.

 

where is the person who knows for sure how the injectors are switched ?

 

Every ecu fires injectors using a negative trigger.

 

Sure they have a positive feed to them the whole time.