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Old 27-06-2008, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan@Rapid-Ford
I know what your getting at with "tested by myself" comment its because I don't have a super fast car

but Radtec has told me

Dan, Don't believe what they tell you, test for youself. I might have the fat boy intercooler but most of my customers get the standard job... But guess what.. I have tested that one too Like I said before I never sell stuff that I hav'nt tested .
Old 27-06-2008, 09:54 PM
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Martin,

the tests you done, did Pro Alloy come up trumps easily?

And get your arse on my thread in the resto room. You wanted some clean pics and a write up. Its waiting
Old 27-06-2008, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rs500 Registrar
I wouldnt fit one to a wheel barrow
have you tested one or just think they look shite
Old 27-06-2008, 09:58 PM
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Pro alloy all day long imo


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Old 27-06-2008, 09:58 PM
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What do the big power cossies use ?
Old 27-06-2008, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by D5 JJC
have you tested one or just think they look shite
To be fair , I havent and maybee there fine , but they do look shite and must add 2 ton in weight to the car
Old 27-06-2008, 10:00 PM
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whats wrong with pace ones then?
Old 27-06-2008, 10:02 PM
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the pro alloy one are Ł80 more than the Rad tec ones, people may not be able to get the more expensive one.

the question is now....what one is the best?
Old 27-06-2008, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dave cos4x4
iirc one of the mags done a test on the i/c's available....cannot remember what came top though.
There was nothing to choose between Pro Alloy and Radtec in the performance test. The only reason they put the Pro Alloy above the Radtec was down to the finish of the product.
Old 27-06-2008, 10:05 PM
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mine starts to really slow down above 150mph been told by someone(who i will not name!)that its because my pace one is crap!take it eveyone agrees pace ones are pants
Old 27-06-2008, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Dan, Don't believe what they tell you, test for youself. I might have the fat boy intercooler but most of my customers get the standard job... But guess what.. I have tested that one too Like I said before I never sell stuff that I hav'nt tested .
I've got one on my car now and have done on all my cars for last 8years

And I've tested it on my car and have had no problems I know its not the same as you.

I know Dingy has tested his one on his car and has no complaints, actually he is happy with it.

I've had another customer test one on a dyno and way very happy with the increase and emailed me to say - but he didn't send me figs

But either way I'll direct Keith to this thread where you've called him a liar to see what he says.

I've got a guest over at the moment so have to go but will try to check on this later.
Old 27-06-2008, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Nash
There was nothing to choose between Pro Alloy and Radtec in the performance test. The only reason they put the Pro Alloy above the Radtec was down to the finish of the product.
thanks for that.
Old 27-06-2008, 10:11 PM
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Pro Alloy ones for me all day long
Old 27-06-2008, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan@Rapid-Ford
- but he didn't send me figs

But either way I'll direct Keith to this thread where you've called him a liar to see what he says.

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I take it that Keith owns or works for Radtec? If so feel free to direct him and also point out where I said he was a liar
Old 27-06-2008, 10:16 PM
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Although I'm keeping out of any argument, we use and recommend Radtech products for cosworths, as I have found them to be consistently good performers, very well made, and good value for money.

Edited to add, we also rate pro-alloy equipment as well as radtec, so which ever you choose will be a quality item.

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Old 27-06-2008, 10:28 PM
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hmm prehaps i will get rid of the pace and get a radtec!in due course
Old 27-06-2008, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
I take it that Keith owns or works for Radtec? If so feel free to direct him and also point out where I said he was a liar
I've only told you what he has told me and you've said don't believe what they've told you.
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
hmm prehaps i will get rid of the pace and get a radtec!in due course
PM me for a price
Old 27-06-2008, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan@Rapid-Ford
I've only told you what he has told me and you've said don't believe what they've told you.

Quote me on that please!
Old 27-06-2008, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Dan, Don't believe what they tell you,
TBH Martin I'll tell them about this it will be a joke, he doesn't want to get involved in all this and TBH neither do I somebody asked about them I said PM for a price and everyone has jumped on me which is a bit unfair

The products do work as they have been tested in mags etc but you don't sell them and you do sell Pro Alloy so you promote Pro Alloy - Fair enough but to say - they can't weld, test them etc is a bit OTT

But this year my car will be out and it might not set any records but it will perform well...............hopefully
Old 27-06-2008, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Karl
Although I'm keeping out of any argument, we use and recommend Radtech products for cosworths, as I have found them to be consistently good performers, very well made, and good value for money.

Edited to add, we also rate pro-alloy equipment as well as radtec, so which ever you choose will be a quality item.
Thank you Karl

An unbiased opinion.
Old 27-06-2008, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan@Rapid-Ford
TBH Martin I'll tell them about this it will be a joke, he doesn't want to get involved in all this and TBH neither do I somebody asked about them I said PM for a price and everyone has jumped on me which is a bit unfair

The products do work as they have been tested in mags etc but you don't sell them and you do sell Pro Alloy so you promote Pro Alloy - Fair enough but to say - they can't weld, test them etc is a bit OTT

But this year my car will be out and it might not set any records but it will perform well...............hopefully

Dan, when I said don't believe what they tell you ... I actually meant check it for yourself, no matter what the product is. Does that mean I think they are lying, nope it does not!!
Old 27-06-2008, 11:11 PM
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i was very happy with the pro alloy cooler i used on my sapphire... but the pace WRC one i have for my escos looks good from the outside too
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Dan, when I said don't believe what they tell you ... I actually meant check it for yourself, no matter what the product is. Does that mean I think they are lying, nope it does not!!
okay I got wires crossed,

They have told me they test them on MIRA test bed and I think they can give me figures - but I do test everything I sell too, I've got a few customer test cars that I use to test products on.

There are products that I could sell but don't because I know they don't work.

You've said that they don't work etc but another professional highly thought of tuner has commented too and yet you're not arguing with him telling him to test them, only me.

As said I will have a car out this year it has taken me a long time but I have had other commitments and its not the most special car in the world or the fastest or the cleanest or the well put together or the best or welded in cage or the best/well/or the ............

but its got all the products I sell and it will be there the same as I've been attending the shows with my trade stands
Old 27-06-2008, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan@Rapid-Ford
okay I got wires crossed,


You've said that they don't work etc
Can you quote me on that too?
Old 27-06-2008, 11:33 PM
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i have a radtec rad fitted to my cossie that i got from dan!seems very well built and keeps the engine alot cooler!not a intercooler i know but in terms of build quality can not fault it!when i get rid of my pace intercooler will be getting a radtec one
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Can you quote me on that too?
Probably not.
Old 27-06-2008, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan@Rapid-Ford
Probably not.
Nice....
Old 28-06-2008, 12:57 AM
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now now boys... why can't we all get along nicely?
Old 28-06-2008, 06:21 AM
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Fook it and just buy an Air teck, lol,

There will always be people who prefer one make of somthing to another , I just feel that pro - alloy have covered all bases , they look stunning , they work as well if not better than the rest , the quailty i doubt anyone will question , and they FIT , more than i can say for some intercoolers .

I know they aint the cheapest , but i would rather buy pro-alloy than any other cooler
If i wasnt fitting a gen 500 cooler to my new 3 door ( just simply because its a gen 500 item ) then pro-alloy would be the only other cooler for me
Old 28-06-2008, 06:28 AM
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There is NOTHING wrong with AIRTEC quality, yes they are heavy as made solid.
Comments from people who may not be good at tig welding aren't very valid IMO.
I have done TIG welding for years, DTI approved, etc, welded in my time for van diemen as well as lots of other stuff.
Sure you can tell that they could be a bit neater, but it takes TIME which will add to the bill, IMO Airtec is a ace product, certainly for the money, but also for performace, a certain RR we all know has just done a lot of back to back tests on the DYNO, this is coming out in a certain mag, guess why I bought Airtec ?
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Old 28-06-2008, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tabetha
There is NOTHING wrong with AIRTEC quality, yes they are heavy as made solid.
Comments from people who may not be good at tig welding aren't very valid IMO.
I have done TIG welding for years, DTI approved, etc, welded in my time for van diemen as well as lots of other stuff.
Sure you can tell that they could be a bit neater, but it takes TIME which will add to the bill, IMO Airtec is a ace product, certainly for the money, but also for performace, a certain RR we all know has just done a lot of back to back tests on the DYNO, this is coming out in a certain mag, guess why I bought Airtec ?
tabetha

i always bought airtec!
my last cossie had airtec on it very happy with it even the finish wernt bad. with my new cossie has airtec and the finish is not as good but it does a good job. someone told me about this test the other day and airtec come out very well rated
Old 28-06-2008, 07:42 AM
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would be nice to see a back to back test with a person not involved with any trader as im a fond believer that all that shines isnt gold , and i see pro alloy is the nike tshirt over priced probably not as good as the illusion and my reason for this is the fact that daveyum, martin .lee.miker,euan run exstensively modified proy alloy coolers i think clouds peoples vision on there standard item. i got radrec 60mm cooler reason well my mate has a saff with a 7.5.1 engine touring car spec head ,cams,gt30 runing over 2 bar he bought a pro one and suffered high airtemps at full power ,then bought a radtec and it solved the issue which was evidence enough for me .Also iirc mr tarry tried a pro alloy one and went back to his original 500 cooler .

so fry me what ever you want this is how my mind was made up as i couldnt give a fuck what people say what best whats shit i find it out for my self as i have this moto trust no one but urself
Old 28-06-2008, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan@Rapid-Ford
They have told me they test them on MIRA test bed and I think they can give me figures
if i were you (or any other seller of these products), i'd be wanting to know the test spec. and the comparative test results for all of them in order to confidently make recommendations based on their performance. second best would be your own experience in a vehicle, but that's subjective to some extent as the test conditions are unlikely to have been exactly the same

i would not just say "they're tested at MIRA, therefore they must be good". that's just marketing bullshit. they could have been tested and had poor results.

i have tested intercoolers in the past both in vehicles in a climatic wind tunnel and on test rigs, so i fully understand these things
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Originally Posted by tabetha
There is NOTHING wrong with AIRTEC quality, yes they are heavy as made solid.
Comments from people who may not be good at tig welding aren't very valid IMO.
I have done TIG welding for years, DTI approved, etc, welded in my time for van diemen as well as lots of other stuff.
Sure you can tell that they could be a bit neater, but it takes TIME which will add to the bill, IMO Airtec is a ace product, certainly for the money, but also for performace, a certain RR we all know has just done a lot of back to back tests on the DYNO, this is coming out in a certain mag, guess why I bought Airtec ?
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Old 28-06-2008, 08:54 AM
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are pace shite? i thought they were the dogs danglies a while back??? i have a pace 500 on mine with 70mm pipes
Old 28-06-2008, 09:36 AM
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I have been using and supplying the AH Intercoolers for over 15 years and have always said it's very good.

Lately I have been using ProAlloy and have to say, its also very good quality with very good delivery times too!! And whats good enough for Martins car is good enough for anyones on here!!

Only use Airtec stuff if your car is a bit rusty at the front end and you want to hold it together or you want to mow someone down with minimal damage to your car.

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If Radtec are that good how come their intercooler didn't come top in the Focus ST test.

I don't make the RS500 intercooler, why? because it'll be difficult to beat the Proalloy version, top quality work imo.
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Originally Posted by RWD Pete
are pace shite? i thought they were the dogs danglies a while back??? i have a pace 500 on mine with 70mm pipes
?
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i think mine is radtec i know it was bought from rapid ford by previous owner. 60mm core and at full chat on a hot day water injection has to come in occasionally to keep temps at 44 c.


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