Surely this is illegal?
16-04-2008, 08:17 PM
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Surely this is illegal?
..coming off the M20 today down a slip road (livin large in my 500bhp Merc) and i saw a white van on the grass verge..it looked like a motorway van due to its AMBER becon..but on closer look it was a fucking pig van with cameras in the window..SURELY this is entrapment,no warning signs either to reduce speed
..Our police are a law onto themselves.
..Our police are a law onto themselves.
16-04-2008, 08:21 PM
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Maria i understand that aspect and YOU was in the wrong and was fairly banned IMHO...this was a cop wagon WITH a AMBER beacon to look like a motorway mantainance vehicle
16-04-2008, 08:22 PM
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saw it on the tv the other day they said when they are following criminals they don't have to broadcast to them that there under investigation so why should they warn the motorist
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16-04-2008, 08:22 PM
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on bbc news website last week the muskers were using a camera in the back of a horsebox in north wales!
ACPO guidelines is that cameras should be clearly marked and warning signs given, but its only a "guideline" so the police dont have to follow it.
they can be as sneaky and underhand as they want, and by the sounds of it they are starting a campaign of new types of scamera van.
in suffolk they've been using them which are marked up like motorway maintenance vans for a while now, with amber lights on the top etc.
every time i see any type of van at the side of any road now i assume its the police...
ACPO guidelines is that cameras should be clearly marked and warning signs given, but its only a "guideline" so the police dont have to follow it.
they can be as sneaky and underhand as they want, and by the sounds of it they are starting a campaign of new types of scamera van.
in suffolk they've been using them which are marked up like motorway maintenance vans for a while now, with amber lights on the top etc.
every time i see any type of van at the side of any road now i assume its the police...
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16-04-2008, 08:33 PM
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16-04-2008, 08:40 PM
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DanW no it was plain white with double rear amber beacons with cameras in the top tinted windows...looked a traditional speed camera van but with amber lights 
Rhys ? Do the crime...your fat mate should be scared then.
Rhys ? Do the crime...your fat mate should be scared then.
16-04-2008, 08:44 PM
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lol, well it livin large by doing big speeds then thats risk you take doing it imo. Harsh but there you go live with it.
As said above they dont have to sticker up, it advisory they should but not the law. Was on the news recently, some copps using horse boxes.
As said above they dont have to sticker up, it advisory they should but not the law. Was on the news recently, some copps using horse boxes.
16-04-2008, 09:13 PM
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16-04-2008, 09:37 PM
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Hang on a minute! Its entrapment cos you are breaking the law and get caught? No warning signs? Erm yes there is the fooking speed limit signs! 
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16-04-2008, 10:05 PM
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have broken the law or gone over the speed limit at some point.
im sure what you saw was illegal, but how youd ever go about proving it i dont know. i saw a few weeks back on here someone posted a pic of cops hiding in a HORSE BOX hitched to a landrover discovery on a verge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what is the world coming to!?
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16-04-2008, 10:50 PM
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in the near future there going to put microphones into the street cams anyone swearing will get a fine for swearing in public
and im not joking
and im not joking
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16-04-2008, 10:53 PM
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north wales police have been doing this for years. 16 years ago they had a white fiat with a camera hidden in it parked outside a popular car park were we all used to get together. we only found out about it when my mate got caught speeding past it 4 times in 27 minutes..
17-04-2008, 12:25 AM
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17-04-2008, 01:45 AM
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Entrapment is where the police actually partake in the act of facilitating a criminal offence to occur (ie it would havent have occured in the same manner if it wasnt for their actions)
Ie they need to actively encourage you in some way for it to be entrapment.
So a copper sat in your car actively telling you to speed, is entrapment potentially, but one parking a van with yellow signs on, isnt AT ALL.
In fact you could argue its a good move, as anyone who is prepared to speed past a clearly marked potential hazard is probably among the worst offenders.
Amazing the absolute bollocks that some people think they know about the law from watching too much american television, next Phil will be taking the 5th in an interview
17-04-2008, 05:59 AM
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The plod, sorry civilians that staff most camera vans also break the law all the time.
I have piccies of one going the WRONG way on the A11, Dual Carriageway, to park up so as to facing traffic, right next to an entry/exit so blocking the view, then proceeded to do a lousy 3 point turn before he drove off, with no seal belt on.
The road was also by a hidden dip where he did this, between Thetford and Snetterton, on mad bike weekend at snetty.
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I have piccies of one going the WRONG way on the A11, Dual Carriageway, to park up so as to facing traffic, right next to an entry/exit so blocking the view, then proceeded to do a lousy 3 point turn before he drove off, with no seal belt on.
The road was also by a hidden dip where he did this, between Thetford and Snetterton, on mad bike weekend at snetty.
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17-04-2008, 06:35 AM
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they need to be in a specific vehicle so that you don't get false readings
if it's in a horse box with very soft suspensino and it's a windy day there is no way the box will remain in the same place when the wind rocks it
so there is your way to get out of the ticket
assuming phil was doing his gangsta 2 mph down the road so everyone could see he was the pimp daddy that is
if it's in a horse box with very soft suspensino and it's a windy day there is no way the box will remain in the same place when the wind rocks it
so there is your way to get out of the ticket
assuming phil was doing his gangsta 2 mph down the road so everyone could see he was the pimp daddy that is
17-04-2008, 07:46 AM
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They tried to do my brother for the same thing when he lived down beside Winchester, in the end the only thing they proved was that they were behind him, and therefore woud have to go faster than him to catch up...whixh is pretty obvious really.
17-04-2008, 08:09 AM
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. how did we ever cope with sence of direction and maps for hundreds of yearsId be more worried about ur mobile phone. think about it. almost everyone i think has a mobile, and id dare say if u think about it, its never more than 10 feet away from u ever!!!???? were all doomed
17-04-2008, 09:28 AM
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17-04-2008, 09:30 AM
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I thought they had to put signs up when parking a camera van at the side of the road? at least they do around here.
How can the law be that fixed position gatsos need to be painted bright yellow so they are clearly visible yet camera vans are allowed to blend in?
Surely the deterrent with cameras is that you know where they are so you keep to the limit, how can they be a deterrent if you dont know where they are?
How can the law be that fixed position gatsos need to be painted bright yellow so they are clearly visible yet camera vans are allowed to blend in?
Surely the deterrent with cameras is that you know where they are so you keep to the limit, how can they be a deterrent if you dont know where they are?
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17-04-2008, 10:11 AM
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also, you need to have cameras where they can be seen by everyone so as to make them slow down
putting them behind bushes and on top of trees and shit just makes money while not dealing with the actually issue of being a deterent and slowing people down
in which case it could surely be pleaded as a case for entrapment as the cameras are only supposed to be placed at accident black spots, so in essenece, the police and safety camera partnership are activly encouraging driving at speed so as they get the fine money and the amulances get to pick up the pieces
i'm sure there is a court case in there somewhere, or at least 4 lines in the sun
putting them behind bushes and on top of trees and shit just makes money while not dealing with the actually issue of being a deterent and slowing people down
in which case it could surely be pleaded as a case for entrapment as the cameras are only supposed to be placed at accident black spots, so in essenece, the police and safety camera partnership are activly encouraging driving at speed so as they get the fine money and the amulances get to pick up the pieces
i'm sure there is a court case in there somewhere, or at least 4 lines in the sun
17-04-2008, 10:16 AM
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even when there is warning signs alot of motorists dont understand them.
for instance the average speed cameras on the A14 near me go on for miles, i see people all the time speeding in between them, and then slamming on the brakes every time they go past one on the big goalpost thingies. and there is signs saying "AVERAGE speed camera's" all the way along that stretch of road
for instance the average speed cameras on the A14 near me go on for miles, i see people all the time speeding in between them, and then slamming on the brakes every time they go past one on the big goalpost thingies. and there is signs saying "AVERAGE speed camera's" all the way along that stretch of road
17-04-2008, 10:39 AM
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Over here theyve got hand held cameras so they park the car 50 metres up a side road then stand next to a lamp post or a tree even in between two parked car and get you.You dont even realise you got done, no signs no warning nothing just a fine in the mail you dont stand a chance.
Give it time it will end up the same, the race track is the only place youre safe
Give it time it will end up the same, the race track is the only place youre safe