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16-03-2008, 09:13 PM
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) no probs. As with anything, if it's not setup properly it won't work. Engine was built by one tuner, was slow to me (amongst other problems), took it to another, they timed the cams to their settings and put in one of their maps, hey presto it was fast!The "wont make any power until 5k revs" comment earlier is wrong.
16-03-2008, 09:17 PM
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I had a pair of BD14's in my last engine, full boost (T4 - 32psi) before 4000 RPM, revved to 8k (and more once ) no probs. As with anything, if it's not setup properly it won't work. Engine was built by one tuner, was slow to me (amongst other problems), took it to another, they timed the cams to their settings and put in one of their maps, hey presto it was fast!
The "wont make any power until 5k revs" comment earlier is wrong.
) no probs. As with anything, if it's not setup properly it won't work. Engine was built by one tuner, was slow to me (amongst other problems), took it to another, they timed the cams to their settings and put in one of their maps, hey presto it was fast!The "wont make any power until 5k revs" comment earlier is wrong.
16-03-2008, 09:32 PM
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17-03-2008, 12:44 AM
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ebonycossie4x4 has his car in with the best cosworth tuner IMO...well the only cossie tuner i'd trust my cossie in....IF i was mad enough to go for huge power
I'm a 120% sure Martin will bring your engine dreams to reality....Martins class in a glass when it come to cossies
Its just a shame you had to find the right way the hard way....if you know what i mean?
I'm a 120% sure Martin will bring your engine dreams to reality....Martins class in a glass when it come to cossies
Its just a shame you had to find the right way the hard way....if you know what i mean?
17-03-2008, 02:58 PM
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Thats cool Martin
Lots of people on here think that the BD14's are going to make the car really laggy
Im betting you will fit "wilder" cams so these same people will say the car should be even worse.
I just think alot of people are kinda over exagerating the problems with the spec.
Lots of people on here think that the BD14's are going to make the car really laggy
Im betting you will fit "wilder" cams so these same people will say the car should be even worse.
I just think alot of people are kinda over exagerating the problems with the spec.
Thank you, the spec was for the original plan of 450-500,it would have been fine, but the fact that it was changed with out notice is the real problem, if we'd been advised it was to be a 600 spec engine it would be very different. I would not have advised 14`s and 8:1 for a 600 spec...
I think the real problem is the cost, and is looking for excuses to compensate...
17-03-2008, 03:01 PM
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Thank you, the spec was for the original plan of 450-500,it would have been fine, but the fact that it was changed with out notice is the real problem, if we'd been advised it was to be a 600 spec engine it would be very different. I would not have advised 14`s and 8:1 for a 600 spec...
I think the real problem is the cost, and is looking for excuses to compensate...
I think the real problem is the cost, and is looking for excuses to compensate...
you are incapable of building a 600hp engine, misspecced everything and now you are blaiming the customer....
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17-03-2008, 03:07 PM
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How on EARTH can you make assumptions on someone you don't even know based on nothing on a forum ????
17-03-2008, 03:10 PM
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ur capabilites show in your thread...theres none and u constantly blame the customer.....
how can u be such a bigmouth with just a jap coilonplug to show for all your noise ??
probably theres more unique bits on my car than u have ever seen in your whole life but do i make such an amount of noise about it ??
think before you type dennis..... and please ffs, get lost from here....i cant help myself but make fun of you.....and i will keep on doing it
how can u be such a bigmouth with just a jap coilonplug to show for all your noise ??
probably theres more unique bits on my car than u have ever seen in your whole life but do i make such an amount of noise about it ??
think before you type dennis..... and please ffs, get lost from here....i cant help myself but make fun of you.....and i will keep on doing it
17-03-2008, 03:14 PM
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Dennis,
Genuine question and NOT a dig.
What additional costs would you incur when going from 500 > 600hp if you were buying in the parts? The cams are the same money, the head porting shouldn't be a mile off, std bottom end would be ok, he was suppling the turbo..
Cheers,
Martin.
Genuine question and NOT a dig.
What additional costs would you incur when going from 500 > 600hp if you were buying in the parts? The cams are the same money, the head porting shouldn't be a mile off, std bottom end would be ok, he was suppling the turbo..
Cheers,
Martin.
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17-03-2008, 03:15 PM
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Thank you, the spec was for the original plan of 450-500,it would have been fine, but the fact that it was changed with out notice is the real problem, if we'd been advised it was to be a 600 spec engine it would be very different. I would not have advised 14`s and 8:1 for a 600 spec...
I think the real problem is the cost, and is looking for excuses to compensate...
I think the real problem is the cost, and is looking for excuses to compensate...
? Surely within the first week of dropping it off gives you more than sufficient notice - or are you saying that he is lying about the time scale?
17-03-2008, 03:26 PM
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Sounds like a witch-hunt!!
I have bd14 inlet & exhaust, 8.1:1, 420bhp @ 20psi, and runs sweet as a nut, with virtually no lag. Not near the 500+, but what I wanted it to be.
Never asked nobody to 'spec it' just done it myself, and see what happens.
It will probably blow-up, but if it does it will be down to me, as I built the engine.
I have bd14 inlet & exhaust, 8.1:1, 420bhp @ 20psi, and runs sweet as a nut, with virtually no lag. Not near the 500+, but what I wanted it to be.
Never asked nobody to 'spec it' just done it myself, and see what happens.
It will probably blow-up, but if it does it will be down to me, as I built the engine
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17-03-2008, 03:51 PM
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I had a pair of BD14's in my last engine, full boost (T4 - 32psi) before 4000 RPM, revved to 8k (and more once ) no probs. As with anything, if it's not setup properly it won't work. Engine was built by one tuner, was slow to me (amongst other problems), took it to another, they timed the cams to their settings and put in one of their maps, hey presto it was fast!
The "wont make any power until 5k revs" comment earlier is wrong.
) no probs. As with anything, if it's not setup properly it won't work. Engine was built by one tuner, was slow to me (amongst other problems), took it to another, they timed the cams to their settings and put in one of their maps, hey presto it was fast!The "wont make any power until 5k revs" comment earlier is wrong.
17-03-2008, 03:51 PM
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17-03-2008, 06:03 PM
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Mike I am completely honest when i say the spec was changed withing the first week. FFS i am going against an M5 not a rs4.
45obhp was never my intention.
The only reason cost was so important was because for my £9000 (just for the engine) i expected it to be able to take the 550bhp. If i paid a fairer price then of course i would expect a lower figure.
When i quoted 500bhp on the first day i was told it would take under a month and Mark would get back to me on a price.
under a week later i came down and we spoke about youre t38, and how i could buy it if you wanted to sell but wanted to go for more than a t38 could produce. I then spoke to mark the next day and told him i wanted to get a quote from him on a gt35 because of now going for more than the gt30 can handle.
When i spoke to mark midway through the build and he told me rough prices the build in total was at 6000-6500 inc VAT which i was more than happy with as i knew i would have to buy plenum and turbo and management.
he then said if you want to go over the 500bhp figure we really are going to have to do headwork.
I come in the next day and spoke with mark about headwork where i reminded him that you told me it would take 8 hours. Which equals just under 800 quid.
I reluctantly agreed
So i set aside 7000/7500 + the 300 for the crank that i had to source and the 60+ for the pulley that i broke in the soft carpet in the back of my van. (i have tried to get one off myself so i know what its like).
Dennis if money was the problem why would it be at martins being put right. Surely i would have run out of money by now???
cossymad. 420bhp at 20psi is that at the wheels?
Martin this is exactly what i thought. really there is not much extra cost. A bit of machining to pistons which after paying nearly £1000 in machining when i know gosnays would charge nothing like that isnt really a big deal and a better spec of cams.
I really dont know how you can argue this one dennis. Unless mark just didnt tell you that the power was increased or tell you that i was quickly getting pissed off with the lack of service.
Theres no way you cant of told that i was pissed off having to pick it up from you and tow it again
Im a businessman so i can work out that getting even £500 (which stupidly i probably would have paid).... for putting a few pipes on filling up some fluids putting a fuel rail on and a water pump pulley. Would far help me in the future when i keep the customer happy.
After all you have the future advertising when the car is plastered in TDI stuff. The magazine publicity of a 550bhp cosworth
Not to mention me coming and giving you nearly £4000 for autronic management another £1000 to map it etc etc
Very silly move of you and youre boss not to finish off my car mate....
Now martin will get all the publicity... (not that he needs it of course)
45obhp was never my intention.
The only reason cost was so important was because for my £9000 (just for the engine) i expected it to be able to take the 550bhp. If i paid a fairer price then of course i would expect a lower figure.
When i quoted 500bhp on the first day i was told it would take under a month and Mark would get back to me on a price.
under a week later i came down and we spoke about youre t38, and how i could buy it if you wanted to sell but wanted to go for more than a t38 could produce. I then spoke to mark the next day and told him i wanted to get a quote from him on a gt35 because of now going for more than the gt30 can handle.
When i spoke to mark midway through the build and he told me rough prices the build in total was at 6000-6500 inc VAT which i was more than happy with as i knew i would have to buy plenum and turbo and management.
he then said if you want to go over the 500bhp figure we really are going to have to do headwork.
I come in the next day and spoke with mark about headwork where i reminded him that you told me it would take 8 hours. Which equals just under 800 quid.
I reluctantly agreed
So i set aside 7000/7500 + the 300 for the crank that i had to source and the 60+ for the pulley that i broke in the soft carpet in the back of my van. (i have tried to get one off myself so i know what its like).
Dennis if money was the problem why would it be at martins being put right. Surely i would have run out of money by now???
cossymad. 420bhp at 20psi is that at the wheels?
Martin this is exactly what i thought. really there is not much extra cost. A bit of machining to pistons which after paying nearly £1000 in machining when i know gosnays would charge nothing like that isnt really a big deal and a better spec of cams.
I really dont know how you can argue this one dennis. Unless mark just didnt tell you that the power was increased or tell you that i was quickly getting pissed off with the lack of service.
Theres no way you cant of told that i was pissed off having to pick it up from you and tow it again
Im a businessman so i can work out that getting even £500 (which stupidly i probably would have paid).... for putting a few pipes on filling up some fluids putting a fuel rail on and a water pump pulley. Would far help me in the future when i keep the customer happy.
After all you have the future advertising when the car is plastered in TDI stuff. The magazine publicity of a 550bhp cosworth
Not to mention me coming and giving you nearly £4000 for autronic management another £1000 to map it etc etc
Very silly move of you and youre boss not to finish off my car mate....
Now martin will get all the publicity... (not that he needs it of course)
Last edited by Ebonycossie4x4; 17-03-2008 at 06:04 PM.
17-03-2008, 06:12 PM
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In my opinion i was in a no win situation. It was only a verbal thing and my problem is that if i finish it with them (which is obviolsy not going to happen) and have the autronics fitted and they put it on there rolling road maybe they will manipulate it and get it to 500bhp+ which is what they say i wanted.
So i dont think a soliciter will help me unfortunately.
All i can do is advise other people against it. Or at least when you do go there.
Prepare to get smacked on the arse.....
So i dont think a soliciter will help me unfortunately.
All i can do is advise other people against it. Or at least when you do go there.
Prepare to get smacked on the arse.....
17-03-2008, 06:16 PM
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I'd still be consulting a solicitor, verbal or not you wanted a product they gave you something else, plus you could get an indipendant tuner or 10 to put it in writing that its not fit for what was intended
17-03-2008, 06:43 PM
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17-03-2008, 07:45 PM
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17-03-2008, 07:50 PM
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17-03-2008, 07:51 PM
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that bad eh, i'd try and get something in wrighting from as many independant reputble builders as you can. The courts might listen to you if you have some of the EXPERTS on yor side.
Ps shit crack mate, hope it all gets sorted in the end as 9k plus the extra cost of putting it right is a dent in any mans wallet
Ps shit crack mate, hope it all gets sorted in the end as 9k plus the extra cost of putting it right is a dent in any mans wallet
17-03-2008, 08:07 PM
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When i spoke to mark midway through the build and he told me rough prices the build in total was at 6000-6500 inc VAT which i was more than happy with as i knew i would have to buy plenum and turbo and management.
I come in the next day and spoke with mark about headwork where i reminded him that you told me it would take 8 hours. Which equals just under 800 quid.
I reluctantly agreed
So i set aside 7000/7500 + the 300 for the crank that i had to source and the 60+ for the pulley that i broke in the soft carpet in the back of my van. (i have tried to get one off myself so i know what its like).
not to mention me coming and giving you nearly £4000 for autronic management another £1000 to map it etc etc
HOLLY FUCKING CHRIST! please please please tell me they used a new block and head, as my maths must be fucking shocking as im guess by the fact you took an engine down there that they used the original block and head!
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17-03-2008, 08:12 PM
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lol no management mate that was gonna cost £4000 after all this was done.
And yes my head and block. But with 859.99 spent on machining to the block apparently
And over £1000 spent on Porting the head......
Gotta laugh on this one if not im sure ill start smashing things....
And buying subarus again......
And yes my head and block. But with 859.99 spent on machining to the block apparently
And over £1000 spent on Porting the head......
Gotta laugh on this one if not im sure ill start smashing things....
And buying subarus again......
17-03-2008, 09:12 PM
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So do i dan lol. but as you say cant until know where i stand. I really do think its a waste of time though but will make the call to a soliciter in the morning.
They will probably want me to go in and have consoltation though at £100 an hour so i will probably give up there and then...
Oh and Neil... not ford. Well not quite lol
They will probably want me to go in and have consoltation though at £100 an hour so i will probably give up there and then...
Oh and Neil... not ford. Well not quite lol
17-03-2008, 09:27 PM
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WTF? 8-1 is perfect for upto 600bhp you talk to the wrong people..LISTEN TO MAD MARK SHEAD...all you need is a BD16 inlet cam if piston cutout will allow..which should.
9k is a bit steep DIY about 5k but dont be disheartened..trouble with this board is many tuners many difference of opinion...most dont like higher comp because they cant map higher comp..old school vs new school i guess.
8-1 is perfect for upto 600bhp you talk to the wrong people..LISTEN TO MAD MARK SHEAD...all you need is a BD16 inlet cam if piston cutout will allow..which should.9k is a bit steep DIY about 5k but dont be disheartened..trouble with this board is many tuners many difference of opinion...most dont like higher comp because they cant map higher comp..old school vs new school i guess.
17-03-2008, 09:29 PM
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WTF? 8-1 is perfect for upto 600bhp you talk to the wrong people..LISTEN TO MAD MARK SHEAD...all you need is a BD16 inlet cam if piston cutout will allow..which should.
9k is a bit steep DIY about 5k but dont be disheartened..trouble with this board is many tuners many difference of opinion...most dont like higher comp because they cant map higher comp..old school vs new school i guess.
8-1 is perfect for upto 600bhp you talk to the wrong people..LISTEN TO MAD MARK SHEAD...all you need is a BD16 inlet cam if piston cutout will allow..which should.9k is a bit steep DIY about 5k but dont be disheartened..trouble with this board is many tuners many difference of opinion...most dont like higher comp because they cant map higher comp..old school vs new school i guess.
17-03-2008, 09:33 PM
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Mark said would be fine for 500bhp not 600bhp. Im sorry but all these other people cant be wrong and mark be right. 8:1 prob fine if mark built the engine.
Anyway martins the man now. Not moving again.
Gotta (and going to) stay with one tuner....
Anyway martins the man now. Not moving again.
Gotta (and going to) stay with one tuner....