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Old 13-03-2008, 02:10 PM
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Ill be honest with you i am not exactly happy with them. but im not the sort of person that wants do 5 years in the nick for arson as i have a family etc etc.
Bmw And porsche Touring cars use wossner pistons and i have not heard a bad peice of evidence about them. I originally wanted cosworth racing pistons but looked into the wossner and it seems they are not to be sneezed at.

Im not against some of the choices Dennis has made. Its an 8:1 comp ratio. Which euan has said may be ok???.

And an exhaust cam that i can sort for £150.

I dont see any reason for changing a big name piston But i do think on the advice of others that the comp ratio must be lowered.

thanks guys. im just a small person in a big pond.


Cheers again
Old 13-03-2008, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ebonycossie4x4
Im not against some of the choices Dennis has made. Its an 8:1 comp ratio. Which euan has said may be ok???.
Sorry but I wouldn't go 8:1 with a GT35 unless you're filthy rich and intend to drive everywhere on race fuel.
Old 13-03-2008, 02:18 PM
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So its Compression Lowering time. Engine will have to come back out this weekend then.

And my hands were nearly healed

Bollocks......
Old 13-03-2008, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Ebonycossie4x4
So its Compression Lowering time. Engine will have to come back out this weekend then.

And my hands were nearly healed

Bollocks......
Be careful about machining pistons that were cast to a specific compression ratio. You should be fine if they have sufficient depth on them (the MINIMUM crown thickenss on a 500bhp engine should be 5mm), but you certainly can't do it to short compression height pistons .

Also see what I posted about Mark's 8:1 engines .
Old 13-03-2008, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
What for not specing the correct C/R???


nah Martin, they guys had no end of bother with them. They certainly seem to treat their customers like idiots.....
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Thanks As Always Mike But the thing is i dont want to piss all the tuners off by ringing them all for different bits of advice.

it would annoy me in my profession so im trying not to do it in this one.

Ive heard that machining the pistons might be tricky so why do wossner make turbo charged forged pistons at 8:1 if its no good to do that.

GS Motorsport is just round the corner from me and joe has some loyal followers. But he has already said we will have to lower the comp ratio.

And ollies right. Anyone thats followed my threads will know i have had nothing but trouble with them.

Smashed bottom pulley that i had to pay for is the first thing i can think of.

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Old 13-03-2008, 02:32 PM
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Oh dear. Always a shame to hear of something not done quite right that has cost big bucks.
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Its the old story... dont things right once and no hassles.

REYLAND, MAD, HARVEY GIBBS, fit and forget.
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Ollie wish i could go back.

Hopefully others will learn from my misfortune.
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Originally Posted by Ebonycossie4x4
Thanks As Always Mike But the thing is i dont want to piss all the tuners off by ringing them all for different bits of advice.

it would annoy me in my profession so im trying not to do it in this one.

Ive heard that machining the pistons might be tricky so why do wossner make turbo charged forged pistons at 8:1 if its no good to do that.

GS Motorsport is just round the corner from me and joe has some loyal followers. But he has already said we will have to lower the comp ratio.

And ollies right. Anyone thats followed my threads will know i have had nothing but trouble with them.

Smashed bottom pulley that i had to pay for is the first thing i can think of.
Who are GS Motorsport? Why are you using companies who arent the leaders? Forget TDi whoever they are, forget GS motorsport and go to one of the best tuners
Old 13-03-2008, 02:38 PM
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I would love to go to Mr Reyland. Problem is he is 200 miles from me. I got my turbo from him and have nothing but extremely good thimgs to say about him.

A pleasure to deal with.
Old 13-03-2008, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ebonycossie4x4
I would love to go to Mr Reyland. Problem is he is 200 miles from me. I got my turbo from him and have nothing but extremely good thimgs to say about him.

A pleasure to deal with.
200 miles is not far mate.. I don't have one single customer car in my workshop that's local.
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
200 miles is not far mate.. I don't have one single customer car in my workshop that's local.
Sign of a good company and loyal customers

Get it up there to him.....Can be done in a few hours
Old 13-03-2008, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ebonycossie4x4
I would love to go to Mr Reyland. Problem is he is 200 miles from me. I got my turbo from him and have nothing but extremely good thimgs to say about him.

A pleasure to deal with.
who gives a flying fuck how far it is when you're spending that money!!!!
Old 13-03-2008, 02:46 PM
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as above for that sort of money i would travel the length of the country
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Originally Posted by Ebonycossie4x4
I would love to go to Mr Reyland. Problem is he is 200 miles from me. I got my turbo from him and have nothing but extremely good thimgs to say about him.

A pleasure to deal with.

Who cares if it was 500 miles away. Petrol costs compared to a big hole in your wallet from using sub-standard tuning company is nothing. Go see Martin or Mark
Old 13-03-2008, 02:47 PM
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because i dont have a trailer. And the car is undriveable. I agree 200 miles is not that far and really i should have started with martin (wish i did).

I would imagine you are a very busy man Martin.
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Undriveable in anger or un-driveable full stop?
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Originally Posted by Ebonycossie4x4
because i dont have a trailer. And the car is undriveable. I agree 200 miles is not that far and really i should have started with martin (wish i did).

I would imagine you are a very busy man Martin.
I don't need the car to sort the engine but obviously if installation work was needed too then the car would need to be trailered. Are you in the AA with recovery included?

You could drive it as long as the map isn't too far off, it would be some running in miles delt with.... Can send you a suitable chip if you went down that route.

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Old 13-03-2008, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
200 miles is not far mate.. I don't have one single customer car in my workshop that's local.
think i have to be one of his furthest UK Customers

Martin did you get my PM?
Old 13-03-2008, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher
think i have to be one of his furthest UK Customers

Martin did you get my PM?

Yes and will reply a little later p.s. I only sell it by the kilo now so you may have to up your order
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Originally Posted by EsCosRacer


can i then twist ur finger at least for the wheels ??
Can't remember what offset they were.. pm me.
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Yes and will reply a little later p.s. I only sell it by the kilo now so you may have to up your order
Cool

Im trying to loose Kilo's not gain them
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Fuck, you got seriously bent over

As someone else has said, do you have a breakdown of the bill? Did you decide on any of the parts used yourself at all or leave it 100% up to them? You agreed on a price before hand didn't you and it worked out a lot more.

Cant you take it back to TDI and say you want what you fucking asked for in the first place at no extra cost or you'll be seeking legal advice?


Otherwise take it to Reyland. GS motorsport may be fantastic and have a loyal rep so no diss' to them but you'd have thought you may have learnt a lesson not to take any chances. Plenty of people on here will trailor it to Reyland for you for not much money....
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Originally Posted by Ebonycossie4x4
I would love to go to Mr Reyland. Problem is he is 200 miles from me. I got my turbo from him and have nothing but extremely good thimgs to say about him.

A pleasure to deal with.
Well I manage it mate, and I'm not that far from you it would seem!
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as jason said its not that far and if he can manage it i would rather travel a 1000 miles to get somthing done right than suffer with whats round te corner
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If your stuck I can have it trailered upto Martin or Harvey for you.

I'm based in Huntingdon.

However I "thought" that 8:1 was a acceptable c/r for 500hp ? and I was sure that some tuners were running a lot more than that too ? on pump fuel too ?
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I have sent martin a PM. Ive also had some info from Mark Shead (he has also been watching the thread) And he reckons 8:1 is fine for 500hp so I may be apologising to Dennis very soon.

Cam issue is definately a problem though.

In an answer to a lot of peoples questions......

We agreed on a figure around £6500. Thats with me taking it in and out. No engine DYNO.

Ill give you a few bits off the bill.

all these plus vat

wrc oil pump £200
Main Cap stud kit £80
Wrc 4 layer head gasket £350
ACL race bearings main. £134.10
Rod £95.60
Valve guides £86
Fit and machine inserts 200
recut valve seats £32
valve springs 241.25
Lifters £205

Labour £2860

Machining to block £869

Long stud kit £230

Thats a Taster

Final Price £8553 inc Vat

Turbo from martoon £2000

Clutch £400

Plenum £400

So were on about 12 grand It runs like a piece of shit cause we cant get the co level under 9.99

Been trying for an hour tonight and then gave up.

If i can get someone to sort the fueling saturday hopefully then i can decide weather to go and get the autronics done with mark or Get it up to martin to have compression lowered.

God its stressing me out.

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Mark here is a picture of the Piston. I have not Got youre email address so could not send it.



Hope this helps.
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How much fucking labour !

I'd be pissed with that alone
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I am mate..... Very pissed.

Thats what 100 an hour does though i suppose. Thats including labour to flow the head which they was quoting 10 hours for. Dunno if thats right or not.
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Originally Posted by Ebonycossie4x4
I have sent martin a PM. Ive also had some info from Mark Shead (he has also been watching the thread) And he reckons 8:1 is fine for 500hp so I may be apologising to Dennis very soon.

Cam issue is definately a problem though.

In an answer to a lot of peoples questions......

We agreed on a figure around £6500. Thats with me taking it in and out. No engine DYNO.

Ill give you a few bits off the bill.

all these plus vat

wrc oil pump £200
Main Cap stud kit £80
Wrc 4 layer head gasket £350
ACL race bearings main. £134.10
Rod £95.60
Valve guides £86
Fit and machine inserts 200
recut valve seats £32
valve springs 241.25
Lifters £205

Labour £2860

Machining to block £869

Long stud kit £230

Thats a Taster

Final Price £8553 inc Vat

Turbo from martoon £2000

Clutch £400

Plenum £400

So were on about 12 grand It runs like a piece of shit cause we cant get the co level under 9.99

Been trying for an hour tonight and then gave up.

If i can get someone to sort the fueling saturday hopefully then i can decide weather to go and get the autronics done with mark or Get it up to martin to have compression lowered.

God its stressing me out.
Do those part prices include VAT? I would have removed the engine ,, built the engine and installed it for a a lot less than the figure above.

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The 8553 is including vat All £973 pound of it. Which is annoying considering i pay 700 tax and ni a month.

I bet gordon brown loves me lol.
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Remind me not to use TDi for ANYTHING !

I couldn't give a shit how good they think they are nobody can charge that sort of money to bolt an engine together.

A grand to port a head is ok but that also depends if its really had that much time spent on it.

What exactly was done to the block for the machining to end up costing that much ?
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God knows mate. Supposidly weight matched.... balanced.... Long studded.... Something to do with rods. That didnt inlude me having to get a mint Unground crank because mine was cracked.

Where the hell was i going to find a cosworth unground crank.

I did though £300

Thanks again rapidford.
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My advice to anyone is to avoid TDI at all costs. Its not just the price the customer service is absoloubtly terrible.

Some might think ringing once every few days for an update is bad. I dont.

They were definately getting pissed off because they never had anything more to tell me.

In the end i didnt ring atall and didnt hear anything for over 10 days. I waited five days for a price on a turbo.

So i bought one myself.

they wanted to charge £1850 for a half gt30/ half gt35 internally gated concoction.

Complete bollocks.

they waited for the long studs for nearly 2 weeks so they say.....

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