Stu.H

I like both the RS and ST, but have always been drawn towards the RS

But I also need an EsCos (childhood dream and that)

Push comes to shove and I dont know what I would have over the ST or RS, been in a std ST and it was well down on power but great handling

I guess I need to have a go in both

It's Czech Mate

I'll answer that, its faster, better handling and as tuneable



Lookswise is down to taste


I dunno where you get £7k from because by the time you've owned it and sold it the FRS will have held its value a LOT better than the mass produced SEAT and the difference in purchase price will be offset a lot by the depreciation on the SEAT

Alps Pacino

Mondeo Man

If you look at the prices of leons they dont seem to have dropped like a stone like everyone on hear is saying. Its not just the seat leon though you can pic up a lot better cars for the same money imo

morto

as said its deff supply and demand, thats why they were limited

andy

danneth

7k go have a look on pistonheads there about the same money,

haven driven both the FRS is ALOT better then the cupra R IMO

Alps Pacino

give them a couple of years and they will drop in value just like every other car cause there just not special like a 3 door cossie is. They will be worth the same in comparison like a series2 caue the general public and most motoring fans now couldnt give a fuck about an rs badge. An rs was something special years ago cause there was no other real great competitors unlike now.

Benni

I disagree.

AlexRS2782

How can you compare the FRS to a current used ST??? The FRS is a limited build RS car that as others have said is worth the money based on the market it is within. The ST is a mass produced car - so already there are more 1, 2 & 3 variants of the ST flooding the used market than there are FRS in the UK

If anything the price of good condition FRS will hold in a similar way to similar escos, etc, whereas the ST will ultimately end up in a few years worth less and could even become as common as a Saxo.

In relation to the comment of price in a few years for an FRS being similar to a Series2 well how does that work - they are totally different cars - one from the late 80's early '90's and the other made from 2002-2004???

I bought my standard FRS 2 1/2 years ago & paid £16k for a mint car which at the time was the average price for the car - nowadays the same mint FRS would probably sell around £14.5k/£15k to the right buyer at the higher end of the market. I dont see about £1to1.5k being a big loss in 2 & 1/2 years - The ST's devalue nearly 3 times as much in the space of the same time

Before people say i'm a typical RS owner slating the ST without ever driving one i'm not - about a year or so ago i was actually looking for a second car as a daily driver as the FRS had become a tuning project car - i went out in the ST and was bored - compared to the drive & feeling of the FRS the ST was too sedate - basically what you expect from an everyday mass produced car

Give me an FRS over an ST anyday

Diseasel

You seem to have gone wide of the mark of what this topic is about, nobody is trying to compare two different cars aimed at two different markets as that would be stupid

ST fast ford mass produced to make a large profit driven by average joe (me) who likes his comforts the heated leather , soft but sporty ride.
RS completely different than above.

AlexRS2782

No i'm just replying based on other posts made in this thread as other people have mentioned comparing the car to others so just putting up my feelings on the matter

I've also stated about the price of the FRS, compared to an ST which is what the original poster asked about

Alps Pacino

AlexRS2782

My point about the series 2 rs turbo as that they aint worth a fart in comparison to a 3 door cosworth even though there the same age why? because 1 is though of as special and 1 just isnt just like the difference between a eries1 and 2 why is the older car worth more easy because its special where as imo the frs in 90% of peoples eyes isnt thought of as a special car.

Who knows in 10 years time it might be seen as a modern classic but then again it might not, i aint got a time machine so am only giving my opinion not fact.

It's Czech Mate

You said no one including the press gives a fuck about an RS badge anymore?

Well ths months evo has two mentions of 3 door cossies and in the aretice about the 888vxr corsa the quote is " It has more power than a focus RS "

Now why would they mention a car thats been out of production for 4 years when there are plenty of other fwd hatches with more power readily available today?

Because whether YOU like it or not it is THE benchmark against which ALL other fwd turbo hatches are measured.

Alps Pacino

Mondeo Man

evo mag also said the dc2 integra type-r is the best fwd car ever produced does that make it the best fwd car ever produced? is what they say gospel ye the dc2 is a good car but i'm sure there re better fwd cars available

It's Czech Mate

I'm not saying what they say is gospel, just giving you an example of contemporary motoring press 'giving a fuck' about rs cars and the focus, something you said wasnt the case. Why do you change your argument everytime someone proves your point wrong?

And i havent driven a finer fwd car than a dc2 in terms of handling. I have driven a modded FR Puma that was as good but it wasnt standard by anymeans

Alps Pacino

Mondeo Man

The thing is my argument is all opinion like the people who bought frs's as an investment and saying they wont depreciate, that imo is just nieve as i believe they will hold there value longer than the others but depriciate in the long run just like the ret to the point where they are worth the same.

What i am saying is old cars seem to hit rock bottom then wont go any lower no matter how old they are. Imo in 10 years time you will be able to get a frs for 4-5k same sort of value as 10 year old series2

It's Czech Mate

And the Leon you are so voraciously championing will have hit those prices in 5 years and been scrapped in ten.

No-ones on here is saying they are an investment, but due to limited supply they WILL and DO hold their prices better than contemporaries.



ps heres a wink because you seem to think using one to finish a point somehow makes it seem more clever

Alps Pacino

Mondeo Man

Does the fact that they hold there value better then not make them over priced? i mean if you can get a a car of the same capability for a lot less because its not a limited number car then make the limited number car over priced in comparison?

It's Czech Mate

FFS NO, because they depreciate less the total cost of ownership isnt reflected in the purchase price

ie start price - running costs - resale price makes it as cheap as a Leon

It's Czech Mate

ps for one last time also price is set by supply and demand in a car market


lets do it the easy way


supply x demand = price


supply is fixed ( ie they dont make any anymore ) so there is a direct relationship between demand and price

is if the price is 'high' its because demand is 'high'

if the damand is 'high' its because people are willing to buy at that price which by definition means it isnt 'overpriced' as the market price of a second hand car sets itsself.

danneth

not for handling

Alps Pacino

Mondeo Man

You dont get it do you, your arguing about what i think lol i could be totally wrong, who knows what the state of fr price will be in 10 years time and tbh who gives a fuck its a ford focus at the end of the day

Rsmat

iTrader: (2)

they will be nowt like a s2

It's Czech Mate

Lol so because I blew your argument out of te water you now decide after two pages of argueing that you dont care anyway



If you say so

Rsmat

iTrader: (2)

arkley

ford enthusiasts give a fuck, this is passionFORD.

A car is overpriced to someone if they can't afford it, I reckon.

James

yes, i think they are overpriced.

having driven both the rs and the st the st is the better car for everyday use imho.

that said there is a mint looking 50k mile rs on a 53 plate for just under £9k and i'm sorely tempted. despite knowing for similair money i could get an s4 which undoubtly is the better car!

Gary F

iTrader: (1)

If you want a FRS buy one, if not don't! Simple really......

gingeRS

If thats real......get it bought if not.....give me the number, i need to speak to my bank manager....easy money to be made there

i wouldnt regard the S4 as a better car in any way though

pani_k

iTrader: (1)

Its ALWAYS nice to see an FRS aroudn because in all the time they have been around I have never seen more than maybe 5 or 6 FRS's around. I see STs pratically everywhere and you get the same thing with the scooby/evo debate.

And since you said you have a daily driver, the mileage shouldnt matter too much to you as you aren't going to be racking the miles up on it too much and will hold its value quite well. As a weekend blast has to be FRS. If you wanted a more refined and more easier car to live with + poke then ST but imo, FRS

S1rst

Ill be just behind you in the queue too at that price.

S1rst

Exactly. Thats the facts and exactly why they still demand good money.

Whether you can get 'better' cars for the money is not the issue. They ARE 'worth' what they are selling for to the buyers, so as long as they stay desirable, hence in demand, then they will always sell for strong money. The ST will never be as desirable as the RS in general due to the ST being a mass produced car, whether its actually a 'better' car or not.

Its the same with the escos. Numbers will only go down, and as the demand is still strong, prices will remain strong. Many people say they are overpriced but how can they be when they demand good money, and there worth similar money in bits, again due to the demand and supply.

Desirability plays a massive part in the used car market, and demand and supply for the cars (and parts), set the prices.

James

well the car in question is on autotrader so not had to track down if anyone is interested!

bloke selling is a usful friend so i'd rather not buy it off him then re-sell just to make a profit! and the fact i don't have £9k laying around!