RsToy

with only 2500 coming into this country and a number of those written off already.....they will imo be a very sought after car in years to come........tell me what will be happening to the st in years to come.

so if you want to safe guard your hard earned cash then get the Rs over the st.

Nash

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Comparing an ST and an RS is like comparing an XR4i to a 3dr cossie. Totally different cars so comparing prices is pointless!

If you have ever driven an RS and an ST you will understand what people are trying to tell you.

G2RSR

everything on piston heads is overpriced imo its like 4k for a mk 4 escort cab

alan12112

I only said an evo is more reliable than a esc cossie if you read my post

I now understand why your focus rs is so cheap - I wouldn't want one with over 90k personally

And plus everyone I know with RS's especially the guy I know with 3 his are never out of the garage!!!!! he had an evo for a short while and as far as I know it was fine!

alan12112

You might be right there nash

I thought they where quite similair but as Ryan wrote he thinks they are as different as chalk and cheese

It's Czech Mate

how can you slag a car you've never driven?


if you had driven an rs and st you#d KNOW the differences......both great cars imo

Benni

No!

alan12112

Because I dont have to drive a car to know it's in the garage all the time?

Everyone knows that escort rs cosworths are unreliable end of.

gingeRS

typical 'i know a guy with an RS' comment



as for the 90k comment you show you know nothing

It's Czech Mate

Your talking shit

An escort cossie thats well looked after is as reliable as any other car.

Unreliable ones are either badly modified, ill prepared or just plain not looked after

If you want that clarified more explicitly i'd ring up STU at MSD and ask him what he thinks seeing as he works on them for a living

alan12112

What you trying to say ginge that i'm lying? i'll get him to post on here if you want?




How does the 90k comment show I know nothing?

I was talking about getting a FRS with 40-50k on the clock and you said you can get cheap FRS if you know where to look

All I said after finding out some details about yours was that I personally wouldn't want to buy one with 90+k on the clock

WTF are you on about?

Diseasel

agree with Nash..if the FRS was released in bigger numbers and without the RS badge on the back it would drop in price like any other Ford.

Therefore you could say the FRS was over priced for what it is

gingeRS

my comment is mileage shouldnt put you off, its condition thats important

i'm not trying to wind you up, so lets not turn this into a slagging match, i'm not suggesting that you or your mate is lying, but there is NO reason an escort cosworth should be unreliable just because ITS an RS???

RsToy

not sure where this thread is going now.

what do you call the right price for a frs.

i paid Ł11.5k 11 months ago on a 32k miler...with a plate Rstoy....i dont call that myself over priced.

alan12112

Me neither

I dont think that was too bad back then at all

tonyk

I have had my Focus RS for almost 2 years (2yrs in March) and it has been reliable in that time. I have only paid for servicing and 3 tyres, 1 of which was due to a puncture.

I bought my car from a Ford main dealer and test drove the RS and ST2 back to back and I liked the RS better. I do not regret my purchase in any way.

If you are after unbiased performance figures then check the Top Gear test track times and you will see that the Focus RS is better than any Leon, faster than the type R and quicker than the wrx scooby and only half a second slower than the M3 (not the new V8). Another unbiased test came from Evo magazine who recorded the Focus RS in 0-60 in 5.9 seconds, 0-100 in 14.9 seconds which was the quickest of the cars on test.

If you are worrying about the price of these cars at Ł11,000 then I suggest if you check can you afford to run one of them. As an example a tyre for a Focus RS cost Ł140 a corner, OE Front brake discs cost Ł340, Ł425 for a STD clutch. Lets not forget the fuel.... Ł55 for 220-280 miles of driving.

alan12112

I have never said that FRS are unrelaible FFS!!!

I can afford to run one mate as my current car is costing roughly the same as an FRS to run thats why I want to change

And Ł140 a corner mate - who you kidding?

RsToy

Ł65 a corner for mine....falkens

f6cus

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focus rs over an st everytime as said by others the price reflects the limited edition they were made in compared to the st
as to rs's being unreliable it the people who buy them especialy cossies and carnt afford the running costs and general maintenance when they do go wrong like every car does to put them right and the do bodge jobs which cause more problems

RWD_cossie_wil

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Sick of the "cossies are unreliable" brigade ...people really show thier lack of knowledge when they start spouting shit like this , high milage cars will fall apart blah blah blah

Ignore Alps as well, he is just another Passionford Ford hater ....

RS cars have always and will always be "overpriced" to your average monkey, as they don't understand the basic principle of supply and demand. A few years ago saffs were dirt cheap, you could pick up a decent clean car for well under Ł3500, now you struggle to get one for less than 5k in nice condition, same with 3 doors, a few years ago a semi-tidy one was around 6-7k, and the scruffy ones were going for just over 5k, now you harldy see any below 8K...... Escorts are in a bit of a slump at the moment IMHO, but the same thing will happen as what is/did happen with the saffs and 3 doors, people will break them for parts as it makes them more money there and then, so the rest will all climb in value over time.

Just look at Mk1 and Mk2 Escorts, they go for stupid money now........

tonyk

I never said that you said the Focus RS was unreliable only that "mine" has been reliable in the two years I have owned it. A Focus RS uses 225x40x18 Michelin Pilot sport tyres and these work out at about Ł140 fitted per corner. I am sure you can buy cheaper brands but I am only quoting the price of what comes on the car as std.

http://www.mytyres.co.uk/start.html for a range of prices on tyres.

Alps Pacino

thats my point so why pay 7k extra for an rs badge

Chip

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IMHO they are overpriced, but not as badly as escort cosworths are.

RS_Ant

ST faster in a straight line but RS faster round the bends?

Alps Pacino

Chip-3Door

100% agreed

Dunccoss

Great cars, have a good spec as standard and are easy and cheap to mod to 300bhp and then you have an quite fast car with is happy to be used every day off the week and then tracked at the weekend as for price you can get a nice one for about 12k and they go for anything between 8k ( high miles ) to around 18K ( under 2k miles and concours condition ).
I think they are great and you all must try and get a drive of one before you make your minds up on them and say they are crap ect lol

AndyRST

Would love to know how many FRS's are left in the UK. I understood there was only 2150 that came to the uk out of the 4500 made and that there could be less than 1950 left in the uk.

Because they arent mass porduced like the ST thats why they holding prices better

RWD_cossie_wil

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Alps. why are you on PF?? All you ever do is slag off the RS brand ... it might cost you an extra 7k for the RS badge but as a result you get far better residual values and a car that many people feel is far superior.

cars are worth what people will pay for them, the majority of RS cars are owned by enthusiasts, and get sold before they are for sale, and the ones that are for sale either go for good money if they are good cars, or don't get sold at all as they tend to be take it or leave it sellers with little price movement.

GUZZLER

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i think the people who dont like the focus rs need to drive one for a while i think there a great little car, as is the ST but looking at the values of both at the moment the ST has dropped about the same amount of value as the RS in half the time!
we have an FRS at the moment, we were going to get an ST but decided that we would an FRS first then an ST at a later date. The way its going at the moment, if we sell th RS this year we will probably not lose anything where as the average ST will 1-2k cheaper.

the RS is dearer but will hold more value.

danneth

gem

RWD_cossie_wil

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Don't worry, he thinks an integra type R is better than an Escort Cosworth as well

danneth

now from what ive seen on the roads

G2RSR

12k is not fook all for a car its the demand for them what keep the prices high

its like 25k for something like a shity poo sti

Rs(555)

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focus st good cars .. but nowt special about em loosing money like mad.. focus rs trade price 03 plate about 35000 miles 8800 try buying one for that price i dont think so...i paid nearly 12 k for my rs and love it

RWD_cossie_wil

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Same as Glasses saying an average Escort Cosworth is Ł4400 ... Find me four please and I will have them all

NathR

In a word.....no.

WTF does it matter, you're getting LOTS of car for the money AND it will hold its value when you come to sell it far more than any toilet ST, which if you think about it logically doesn't make it overpriced.

As for running costs, if thats your Fiesta in your avy & its got the same engine in it that it came with then you're in for a big shock when it comes to fuel economy!!

Just buy one mate, you wont regret it!

Alps Pacino

danneth

come on clever cunt why is a focus rs worth 7k extra over a leon cupra r

RWD_cossie_wil

Have you owned both

ross_x

I have had my Focus RS now for about 5 months, have really grown to love it. It has been 100% reliable, never let me down. I drove an ST at the same time and thought it was great BUT depreciation was a big deal to me when i was spending over 10k on a car.

Like somebody else said they are expensive compared to other similar age/spec cars but your not gonna lose anywhere near as much on depreciation going on current trends.

p.s - having owned virtually every type of Cosworth going i can vouch that they are very reliable but only when maintained to a high standard. If you dont look after them they will bite you back!

S1rst

No. The price of any car is determined by demand and supply. Just like any product or service. Sure youll get the odd few that are 'overpriced' and may not sell or at least take a while to sell, just like any other car, but overpriced? Not at all.

S1rst

What i also find funny is that people moan about many RS's being 'overpriced' and so buy what they feel is a 'much better car for the money', then lose a good few grand on it every year in depreciation, so they'd have been better off buying the old Ford in the first place (and the car they really wanted to start with. ).