Focus Rs is front wheel drive
23-01-2008, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by marco polo
Originally Posted by DanW@FastFord
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you are seriously dreaming both cars out of the box the scooby/evo would ponce all over it in every department 
i thought you knew alot about cars seems not then
i thought you knew alot about cars
seems not then I'm the first to admit I don't know a lot about cars that don't actually exist yet!
If it's gash when it comes out I'll apologise for my comments, but until then, stick it up your arse
hi dan
i would love to see a decent 4wd focus if you think a normal front wheel drive car is a total match for a 4wd evo/subaru you need to keep taking the tablets and btw and track days dont prove nothing
Having both an Evo and a Focus RS, I can confrim that the Evo absolutely kicks the arse out of the Focus in all areas, BUT the Focus is more driver-demanding, ergo more fun to drive (in a perverse way).
I still won't buy the new one though if it isn't 4WD, just on principle; I'm childish like that
23-01-2008, 09:54 PM
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i have beat evos/ scoobs /cossies in my rs2000 mk5 and thats front wheel drive but that doesn't prove nothing
My point (as I don't think you've understood it) is that I'm not saying it'll be better than the Jap 4x4 brigade, just that it won't automatically be shit because it's FWD.
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to every post doesn't make your point any more valid. Dan
23-01-2008, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by focuschivvy
didnt the focus rs go round the top gear track faster than an impreza once? 
23-01-2008, 10:07 PM
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Review: The Stig tests the Ford Focus RS on the track against its main competition, the Subaru Impreza and the Honda Civic Type-R. The Impreza completes the track in 1:38.6 and the Civic finishes in 1:36.5 Surprisingly the Focus RS beats the competition out in a time of 1:33.8. Clarkson then drives the Focus RS on the empty roads of Wales. Aside from a generally positive review, Clarkson claims that at times the differential makes the car uncontrollable and does as it pleases.
uncontrollable.....phhhh....all part of the fun
23-01-2008, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by focuschivvy
Review: The Stig tests the Ford Focus RS on the track against its main competition, the Subaru Impreza and the Honda Civic Type-R. The Impreza completes the track in 1:38.6 and the Civic finishes in 1:36.5 Surprisingly the Focus RS beats the competition out in a time of 1:33.8. Clarkson then drives the Focus RS on the empty roads of Wales. Aside from a generally positive review, Clarkson claims that at times the differential makes the car uncontrollable and does as it pleases.
uncontrollable.....phhhh....all part of the fun
23-01-2008, 10:18 PM
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The thing I dont get is all this rubbish about the Diff causeing the car to be bad on normal roads is; I dont experience this in my car and I wouldnt lie and say its not there, it sometimes is but not that I would consider uncontrolable. My old RST was far far worse and I can only imagine what a 350bhp RST must be like
I think people compare modified Cossies to the Focus RS when making comparisons, though to be fair there is not many about still std. Its a pity top gear or a mag couldnt do a back to back test on the cars.
I think people compare modified Cossies to the Focus RS when making comparisons, though to be fair there is not many about still std. Its a pity top gear or a mag couldnt do a back to back test on the cars.
23-01-2008, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by monkey nutz
Originally Posted by focuschivvy
Review: The Stig tests the Ford Focus RS on the track against its main competition, the Subaru Impreza and the Honda Civic Type-R. The Impreza completes the track in 1:38.6 and the Civic finishes in 1:36.5 Surprisingly the Focus RS beats the competition out in a time of 1:33.8. Clarkson then drives the Focus RS on the empty roads of Wales. Aside from a generally positive review, Clarkson claims that at times the differential makes the car uncontrollable and does as it pleases.
uncontrollable.....phhhh....all part of the fun
23-01-2008, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick
Why don't u people get it!!!
The cosworths are all homologation specials that were built to win. The Focus RS is just a replacement for the Escort RS turbo, which is also FWD if u remember.... The new Focus RS will sell, and of course ford need to make money - otherwise there would be NO POINT making it. As long as WRC exits, ford will never make a cosworth replacement. Look how good the last Focus RS was!
The cosworths are all homologation specials that were built to win. The Focus RS is just a replacement for the Escort RS turbo, which is also FWD if u remember.... The new Focus RS will sell, and of course ford need to make money - otherwise there would be NO POINT making it. As long as WRC exits, ford will never make a cosworth replacement. Look how good the last Focus RS was!
23-01-2008, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by focuschivvy
didnt the focus rs go round the top gear track faster than an impreza once?
23-01-2008, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Robski
Originally Posted by focuschivvy
didnt the focus rs go round the top gear track faster than an impreza once?
23-01-2008, 10:29 PM
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I can't understand why people are obsessing over it being 4wd.
If it was 4wd, then surely it would be based around a similar system to contemporaries that are FWD based, and simply send power to the rear wheels when the front loses traction?
If it was 4wd, then surely it would be based around a similar system to contemporaries that are FWD based, and simply send power to the rear wheels when the front loses traction?
23-01-2008, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Robski
i know what track i'd rather be faster around though!!
23-01-2008, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by focuschivvy
Originally Posted by Robski
i know what track i'd rather be faster around though!!
23-01-2008, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Robski
Originally Posted by focuschivvy
Originally Posted by Robski
i know what track i'd rather be faster around though!!
you come off at the ring ...and its on the phone to the bank time dont get me wrong id love to do it, but id rather have a day at the top gear track anytime
anyway, back to topic
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23-01-2008, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by focuschivvy
Originally Posted by Robski
Originally Posted by focuschivvy
Originally Posted by Robski
i know what track i'd rather be faster around though!!
and a track where my wallet would feel safe
you come off at the ring ...and its on the phone to the bank time dont get me wrong id love to do it, but id rather have a day at the top gear track anytime
anyway, back to topic
.....you might hit a suzuki liana(or whatever it is they use) and then you would be in real debt!
23-01-2008, 11:28 PM
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the fwd/4wd issue for me personally isn't about if it's technically "faster" or not, it's about if it's a pleasant and rewarding drive.... and for me fwd just will never do it, especially a turbo one with a decent amount of grunt.
The idea of making a car that by design transfers weight away from the driving wheels and breaks traction at the first opportunity is just ludicrous, and it just isn't pleasant to drive IMO. The ONLY reason fwd is made is because it's cheap, and the marketing bods do a bloody good job of persuading the punters that it is somehow a "good" thing.
No way will I ever pay proper money for a fwd car, no matter what the badge.
The idea of making a car that by design transfers weight away from the driving wheels and breaks traction at the first opportunity is just ludicrous, and it just isn't pleasant to drive IMO. The ONLY reason fwd is made is because it's cheap, and the marketing bods do a bloody good job of persuading the punters that it is somehow a "good" thing.
No way will I ever pay proper money for a fwd car, no matter what the badge.
23-01-2008, 11:32 PM
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So very few have driven a fwd turbo in the wet then?
Painful trying to make progress.
Having had 4x4 and now rwd, can't believe I stuck fwd for so long.
Didn't know better I guess.
Can add all the electronics bollocks you like, still not overcoming the buckets of torque and limited grip gay wheel drive offers.
Sounds like you'll be able to drive wot in every gear, in every circumstance, in perfect safety?
What fun...
Painful trying to make progress.
Having had 4x4 and now rwd, can't believe I stuck fwd for so long.
Didn't know better I guess.
Can add all the electronics bollocks you like, still not overcoming the buckets of torque and limited grip gay wheel drive offers.
Sounds like you'll be able to drive wot in every gear, in every circumstance, in perfect safety?
What fun...
23-01-2008, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by C4llyT
So very few have driven a fwd turbo in the wet then?
Painful trying to make progress.
Having had 4x4 and now rwd, can't believe I stuck fwd for so long.
Didn't know better I guess.
Can add all the electronics bollocks you like, still not overcoming the buckets of torque and limited grip gay wheel drive offers.
Sounds like you'll be able to drive wot in every gear, in every circumstance, in perfect safety?
What fun...
Painful trying to make progress.
Having had 4x4 and now rwd, can't believe I stuck fwd for so long.
Didn't know better I guess.
Can add all the electronics bollocks you like, still not overcoming the buckets of torque and limited grip gay wheel drive offers.
Sounds like you'll be able to drive wot in every gear, in every circumstance, in perfect safety?
What fun...
I was starting to wonder if it was just me...
23-01-2008, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by monkey nutz
You can't compare an Escos to a Focus RS! Even in standard trim, the Escort kicks the fuck out of the Focus, both in terms of performance & looks!
That's my opinion at least
That's my opinion at least
Escort cosworth at std had 227bhp and upto 80bhp losses through its 4x4 transmission so puts down around 150bhp at the wheels.
Focus RS has 212bhp standard and through its fwd loses around 25-30bhp so it puts down around 180-185bhp at the wheels.
Then theres the weight difference, i believe the focus is nearly 100kgs lighter than a Esc Cos with like for like i.e both cars having air con, leather seats etc
so how you think a heavier less powerful standard Escort Cos would "kick fuck out of the focus in terms of peformance" is actually quite funny as for looks well thats all std the Escort Cos would win on
23-01-2008, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyRST
Originally Posted by monkey nutz
You can't compare an Escos to a Focus RS! Even in standard trim, the Escort kicks the fuck out of the Focus, both in terms of performance & looks!
That's my opinion at least
That's my opinion at least
Escort cosworth at std had 227bhp and upto 80bhp losses through its 4x4 transmission so puts down around 150bhp at the wheels.
Focus RS has 212bhp standard and through its fwd loses around 25-30bhp so it puts down around 180-185bhp at the wheels.
Then theres the weight difference, i believe the focus is nearly 100kgs lighter than a Esc Cos with like for like i.e both cars having air con, leather seats etc
so how you think a heavier less powerful standard Escort Cos would "kick fuck out of the focus in terms of peformance" is actually quite funny as for looks well thats all std the Escort Cos would win on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FALNOrTKyoY
24-01-2008, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Robski
Originally Posted by AndyRST
Originally Posted by monkey nutz
You can't compare an Escos to a Focus RS! Even in standard trim, the Escort kicks the fuck out of the Focus, both in terms of performance & looks!
That's my opinion at least
That's my opinion at least
Escort cosworth at std had 227bhp and upto 80bhp losses through its 4x4 transmission so puts down around 150bhp at the wheels.
Focus RS has 212bhp standard and through its fwd loses around 25-30bhp so it puts down around 180-185bhp at the wheels.
Then theres the weight difference, i believe the focus is nearly 100kgs lighter than a Esc Cos with like for like i.e both cars having air con, leather seats etc
so how you think a heavier less powerful standard Escort Cos would "kick fuck out of the focus in terms of peformance" is actually quite funny as for looks well thats all std the Escort Cos would win on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FALNOrTKyoY
Anyway, it was just my opinion
24-01-2008, 08:56 AM
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The main problem with wrong wheel drive is that fact that it's just so fuckin BORING .. RWD and proper 4x4 ( not part time driven shit) is much more fun to drive, FWD is just generally understeer city or wheelspinning everywhere. And fuck off with FWD cars handle amazing like the integra blah blah blah, still not the same as holding the back end out on the power 
Ford need a proper performance car, not a modern RST
.. RWD and proper 4x4 ( not part time driven shit) is much more fun to drive, FWD is just generally understeer city or wheelspinning everywhere. And fuck off with FWD cars handle amazing like the integra blah blah blah, still not the same as holding the back end out on the power Ford need a proper performance car, not a modern RST
24-01-2008, 09:06 AM
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I remember in my old cavaliers, 40/50/60mph off bends or roundabouts in the wet, get the wheels spinning, and sawing the wheel lock to lock, still going round the bend in perfect safety on the course I wanted.
In the M3 have a little fun here and there, but not got the skill to go too far, respect it or crash.
Turned right into a road one night, too much gas, did a 180 spin to the left, and ended up on the kerb inch from someones front wall.
Crawled home with tail between my legs
The 2.5 could easily run a few more brake to overcome the 4x4 losses, would be right up there with the Jap stuff circa 300 brake, and priced competitively it seems there is the market for it.
This is why I left Vauxhall, quickest rwd was an MV6, which is slow, and couldn't stick fwd and too much power.
Sticking nigh on 300 brake through a fwd is just nonsense, I'm sure Saab would tell you that.
A proper 4x4 Focus would be awesome
In the M3 have a little fun here and there, but not got the skill to go too far, respect it or crash.
Turned right into a road one night, too much gas, did a 180 spin to the left, and ended up on the kerb inch from someones front wall.
Crawled home with tail between my legs
The 2.5 could easily run a few more brake to overcome the 4x4 losses, would be right up there with the Jap stuff circa 300 brake, and priced competitively it seems there is the market for it.
This is why I left Vauxhall, quickest rwd was an MV6, which is slow, and couldn't stick fwd and too much power.
Sticking nigh on 300 brake through a fwd is just nonsense, I'm sure Saab would tell you that.
A proper 4x4 Focus would be awesome
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Originally Posted by Robski
Originally Posted by AndyRST
Originally Posted by monkey nutz
You can't compare an Escos to a Focus RS! Even in standard trim, the Escort kicks the fuck out of the Focus, both in terms of performance & looks!
That's my opinion at least
That's my opinion at least
Escort cosworth at std had 227bhp and upto 80bhp losses through its 4x4 transmission so puts down around 150bhp at the wheels.
Focus RS has 212bhp standard and through its fwd loses around 25-30bhp so it puts down around 180-185bhp at the wheels.
Then theres the weight difference, i believe the focus is nearly 100kgs lighter than a Esc Cos with like for like i.e both cars having air con, leather seats etc
so how you think a heavier less powerful standard Escort Cos would "kick fuck out of the focus in terms of peformance" is actually quite funny as for looks well thats all std the Escort Cos would win on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FALNOrTKyoY
1.) was the cossie actually standard? looked chipped stage 1 to me, but who can tell
2.) 4x4 on launch is always going to start off quicker but what happens after 60mph, looks like the FRS was catching to me, would like to see it upto 140mph
3.) was that the stig launching the Esc Cos?
25-01-2008, 12:49 PM
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Why don't u people get it!!!
The cosworths are all homologation specials that were built to win. The Focus RS is just a replacement for the Escort RS turbo, which is also FWD if u remember.... The new Focus RS will sell, and of course ford need to make money - otherwise there would be NO POINT making it. As long as WRC exits, ford will never make a cosworth replacement. Look how good the last Focus RS was!
The cosworths are all homologation specials that were built to win. The Focus RS is just a replacement for the Escort RS turbo, which is also FWD if u remember.... The new Focus RS will sell, and of course ford need to make money - otherwise there would be NO POINT making it. As long as WRC exits, ford will never make a cosworth replacement. Look how good the last Focus RS was!
25-01-2008, 12:51 PM
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People (esp Thrush) are SERIOUSLY mistaking STANDARD cars for MODIFIED ones.
Still totally sucks they not building a car to compete with the FQ Evos and STI Scoobies tho
Still totally sucks they not building a car to compete with the FQ Evos and STI Scoobies tho
25-01-2008, 03:36 PM
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ive owned ford rs,s for over 10years and still love them to bits but after coming from a 190bhp fwd to a 270bhp 4wd its a complete diff ball game, my mates got a focus rs and i drive that now and again and i do love it and think its a great drive but its not as sure footed as my 1995 4wd evo 3 that does the 0.60 in 4.9 standard at the end of the day if you have alot of bhp you will always struggle to put the power down on a fwd car ,my fav car will always be the escort coss as they got it right 4wd and looks just
andy
but after coming from a 190bhp fwd to a 270bhp 4wd its a complete diff ball game, my mates got a focus rs and i drive that now and again and i do love it and think its a great drive but its not as sure footed as my 1995 4wd evo 3 that does the 0.60 in 4.9 standard at the end of the day if you have alot of bhp you will always struggle to put the power down on a fwd car ,my fav car will always be the escort coss as they got it right 4wd and looks just andy
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From the official Ford website:
Ford of Europe will not reveal any of the technical details of the new Focus RS until closer to launch in 2009. The company plans to show a concept version of the car publicly for the first time in mid-2008.
"We will use the redesigned 2008 Focus ST as the base for a no-compromise RS model that will become the ultimate road-going Focus," Capito added. "Just as the Focus RS WRC owns the rally circuit, we want the new Focus RS to own the road, so we have the major competitors in our sights as we develop the car's performance, design, handling and braking."
"We're not ready to confirm any of the technical details of the new Focus RS yet - Jost and his team have a lot to do to finalise the exact specification and styling," said Fleming. "But make no mistake, I can assure you that ultimately, the car we plan to launch will be worthy of wearing the coveted Ford RS badge."
http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/vehicle_new...icle82/-/-/-/-
Ford of Europe will not reveal any of the technical details of the new Focus RS until closer to launch in 2009. The company plans to show a concept version of the car publicly for the first time in mid-2008.
"We will use the redesigned 2008 Focus ST as the base for a no-compromise RS model that will become the ultimate road-going Focus," Capito added. "Just as the Focus RS WRC owns the rally circuit, we want the new Focus RS to own the road, so we have the major competitors in our sights as we develop the car's performance, design, handling and braking."
"We're not ready to confirm any of the technical details of the new Focus RS yet - Jost and his team have a lot to do to finalise the exact specification and styling," said Fleming. "But make no mistake, I can assure you that ultimately, the car we plan to launch will be worthy of wearing the coveted Ford RS badge."
http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/vehicle_new...icle82/-/-/-/-
25-01-2008, 05:43 PM
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You learn to driver normal in the wet for sure, i mean my 2wd cossies were no better, but when dry the focus comes into its own, 30-130ish its a quick little car.
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You learn to driver normal in the wet for sure, i mean my 2wd cossies were no better, but when dry the focus comes into its own, 30-130ish its a quick little car.
my mates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQF5mGkLKjo&feature=user
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TibdN9qKHA&feature=user
