Billy_RST

Your arguments proper shit though you aint given 1 real reason why a rst is better than a honda, if your going to make statements you need to back them up like this.

The dc2 integra type-r is a cracking car imo, thats probably why it is classed as the best handling fwd car ever made.

OR

The vtec engine is a cracking bit of engineering, do you know they havent had 1 unit back under warrenty EVER

See its not hard you could say something like

I think my rst is the bollox cause shaza down the road soils her panties evertime she nears me coming whoooooooooooosh ptsssssssss

 

enough to win any arguement, anyone who thinks the vtec engine is great is abit of a moron

 

 

Fantastic engine, and far better than an 8V CVH!

It's just the 8V CVH is easy to get power out of. I do love the RST interior though, way ahead of it's time.

 

yeah did you hear that everyone? a honda VTEC engine is pants

 

I've seen v-tecs blowing up more times than the number of valves they have (@8500rpm) and yet my 1.1 pushrod fiesta engine has stayed together after 9000 rpm (with a bad timing chain).

 

cossie engines are just as wank as vtec engines

 

at these arguments, I can understand the dislike of some of the people that argue that the vtec engines are so brilliant because they can be a little annoying as can all the shit about JDM, however the integra DC2 is a nice bit of kit. And the facts that HONDA have never had a vtec engine back under warranty do speak volumes, this should not be mistaken for vtec's never blow us as indeed they do.

 

ro be honest my type r has really grown on me now... apart from changing gears all the time

cant help red lining it all the time as the revs just keep on going great engines... you can feel the kick at 6200rpm as the vtec or whatever it is kicks in, but its far from the buzz of over a bar of boost coming in...

nice not having to turn the sterio down all the time tho, wondering what the next broken part will be...

 

Blah blah blah

Some people need to take the Ford blinkers off ha ha ha

 

Dunno the 1st bit, but JDM-Y0 (thats Y then zero) is for:
Japanese Domestic Market and the Yzero is a spec of ECU used in imported hondas (dunno which ones) a bit like an L6 or L8 ecu in a cos...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TcdN...eature=related

 

Upto 190bhp i would say the cvh is easier to tune than a 1600 vtec motor but for anything above that then the vtec wins hands down, that and the fact the vtec can be tuned further than a cvh is a winning factor imo. Whats the highest output 1.6 cvh that is kicking about 400bhp ?.

End of the day people like what they like but if your going to say somethings better than something else you need to back up what your saying imo

 

Give me good reason's why it's not a good unit please

 

You'll always be able to take the vtec further, no question. But, a std CVH is 200hp - that's without touching the internals. The fact it was 130 as std is because ford were a little conservative... With a turbo and cam change, it's 240hp - thats a good deal of power from little effort. As an 8v - it's a cracking engine - it shames me to say i am dropping a zetec in mine - a rather pitiful 16v engine if ever there was one

 

Being realistic now how much would it cost to build a reliable 200bhp cvh. Hondas can be tuned a lot more than cvh's can, i'm sure you could get a supercharger kit for a b16a to achieve 200bhp without touching the internals. It's not just the engine though as an alround package a crx is a better car to base a project on imo as the suspension is far more advanced as is the drive train ie gearbox shafts etc. If you get the chance to have a good drive in 1 i recomend you do cause they are cracking little cars for what they are even in a very mild state of tune

 

Billy, I hate to say it mate... But you are totally wrong


compare what you just said with a Honda... My favourite shape of Honda


EK9 Type R




Better Looks - Wrong, ERST's are bricks - But I do like there 80's styling, Hence owning one for 5 years!

Better Feel - Feel in what sense? Nice Ford steering wheel? Honda's handle better....

Better Interior - Yeah spose, I Like the 88' Spec interior. But Honda "R's" do have good interiors!

Better Experience - So how can you call a Honda wank, when you havent any experience, making yourself look a cock for no reason. Like me saying "Ferraris are toss, never driven one"

Has a Turbo - So? EK9 type R has 185bhp and does 5.7 seconds to 60

RST has 132bhp and does 0-60 in 8 seconds by the book

Easy to work on - You have no experience, So you cant comment.. Hondas are too, I've worked on a few CRX's




Havent seen many RST's doing 10 second ź's either, Loads of Civics have done them, and will keep doing them

S2000 has 240bhp from a 2.0 , thats 36bhp more than a standard cossie, Although cossies dont rev to 9k...



Bolt a T34 to a Civic and see what happens





Not a dig at you, but seriously they aint "wank" mate

 

CRX's are wicked little cars IMO, My mate owned one for a while and I drove it a few times, Loved it! Low center of gravity and well stable in corners, could quite easily throw it into a corner and come out smiling

 

Charlie Chalk

Finally someone who actually isnt bellend and is actually in touch with reality. The people who coment on the crx's are people like my mate who had never had anything to do with the hondas and had always had the ford blinkers on, i picked him up in my old battered crx vtec with 170k on the clock and went to an rs meet. When i picked him up he said "whats that piece of shit, it looks like a pencil sharpener" lol. After a 100 mile round trip down country lanes and demolishing a few rst's an a audi s3 later he actually wanted to buy it off me lol. He ended up selling his cossie and buying my old crx off me he loved it that much.

 

Well i've got an EP3 CTR. Nothing has gone wrong on it, the only thing I've ever replaced is the oil. I use it as a daily drive, it's great. I'm sorry but you couldn't give me an RST.

 

now that is truely a crock of shite,
im pretty sure a 1.1 push rod wouldnt have the power to rev to 9k lol
let alone the ignition capabilitys



i cant believe bil rst is even comparing a rsturbo to a vtec civic, (gotta compare it to a vti as the other models werent designed to be hot hatches,)

in the 1990 they were getting 160bhp out of a 1.6 na, with a gear box that would take twice that, in a car that actually went round corners,
and there just as easy to work on a a rsturbo,

i no which one id rather drive every day

 

Im not a bellend mate, Cars are cars at the end of the day, Its what they do that I like, Not what they are


I like RS's are much as I do the next performance car

 

I know, it just makes me laught though when people say stuff like "vtecs are shit and rst's are better" without giving 1 desent reason why and when you ask them to give a reason they seem to stop replying on the thread lol.

Billy rst is a prime example of this ye my t34 rst whoooosh whoooooooosh blah blah blah, cvh's are that fucking good why is he building an engine with a zetec bottom end

 

Just because the CVH has a turbo doesnt make it a better engine..I'd much prefer a normally aspirated 200+bhp engine to a 200+bhp turbo

 

^haha

i know what you're saying mate, i dont think the no torque argument is very good either. just drop a couple of gears for fuck sake

Im still waiting to hear from billy why RST's are better than the honda equivalents....

 

V-tec - All the lag, None of the boost.

JAmes.

 

ive driven countless cars of all types of setup, and i dont think for one minute a 200bhp 2litre n/a is better than a 200bhp 2litre turbo, unless the 2litre turbo didnt rev at all.
same bhp or not, changing down gears or not, torque is good, as long as you got decent revs too.

BUT honda engines are fantastic pieces of kit and better than fucking CVHs by a mile.

cant believe someone can be so blinkered to say a RST is better

 

I don't, I was just saying about power, its good power for a 2.0 n/a 2.0 turbo is far better to drive!

 

WTF... missed this one

Billy - I had an RST for about 7 years, took it to about 200bhp.. Yeah it was fun, but I prefer my Type-R in everyway....

Better Experience, an RST..? you on drugs? The only experience I remember was blowing box's and re-building the engine The Honda is by far a better car than the RST, in everyway.. Id actually like to go against my old RST if the owner reads this Round the twisties, for a FWD car, the Honda is superb.. A much better all round package

 

the argument about no honda engines failing under warranty bit is a loud of bullshit
good car tho just not my cup of tea

 

mistype missed the word "isn't" then again i would be bias the CTR is my next car in jan

 

And after all the tuning and big exhausts on a vtec they still sound like a bee taking off

 

Ok.

I dont actually remember saying an RS Turbo is better? Although id much rather one. Hence why i use this site as im a Ford Enthusiast.

Nash asked me whats so good about an RS Turbo. So i made a list. (My opinion)

Also, since when have i had no experience? I've working on cars for about 12 years now and driven loads of different cars.

When driving/racing/passenger in a Honda V-tec car eg. My friends Craigs Civic type-R.

All it seems to me is the car makes a louder noise. Thats it. Rubbish.

Radders, i know what your saying and i dont mind the look of some of the Honda's and yes they handle well.

So much bandwagon jumping on here! Its funny.


List of the things i dont like about the Honda V-TEC cars.

1. Sound so shit. Sound like a Nova but worse.

2. Interiors are Shite (Type-R has Red seats.....WOW)

3. You have to rev the bollocks off them to go anywhere.

4. Slow.

5. Boring looking cars (All apart from NSX)

6. No Character.

7. They feature in the Fast and Furious alot



How come everyone is so brave behind the Computer screen, calling me names etc...

You wouldnt have the balls to say it to my face. So dont do it on here.

 

Billy RST...your not on Smack as well are you?

You say the Vtec engine is boring, Slow, crap basicly....

How can you say that, There so tunable N/A or Turbo'd. The engines are far more advanced compaired to an fucking 8v CVH with a crudding turbo onit!

You say the interiors are boring? Take for example an 1990 CRX Vtec, seen the seats in them, Full Leather with Stitched writing inn, far cooler than 90 spec RST Recaro's

just look



Then there's the Looks CRX/Civic's etc. I just love the way the EK Civic's look with a few little mods... Even the CRX is such a good looking car of its time. The Integ's are awesome

I dont think i need to mention about the handling on most sporty honda's

You also say they sound like a boy racer Nova thing...WTF!

I remember when my mate had a CRX Vtec, the sound it made was fucking sexual, specially Booting through tunnels at full chat!

cant be assed to carry on....

 

you lot take the bait way too easy hes just a troll ignore him

 

You dont get it do you? I never said cvh was better. Not once. Look through the thread.

 

Billy_RST

No but you did say they were slow and shit, so if a cvh isnt any better then how shit do you think a cvh is if it's no better than a vtec?

 

All i said was that i think the v-tec's are slow and make an iritating noise.

 

V-Tec's arn't that slow Billy....


My mates ust got rid of a S2000 for a Type R and they both go well