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13-12-2007, 07:36 PM
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When driving like a madman, no, driving normally, yes.
And trust me, from experience, on a daily driver, or even a road car full stop, you will HATE it.
Its fine driving fast, but stop start normal stuff dog boxes suck ass.
Keep your syncros, the tiny advantage a dog box gives you isnt worth it on a road car mate.
And trust me, from experience, on a daily driver, or even a road car full stop, you will HATE it.
Its fine driving fast, but stop start normal stuff dog boxes suck ass.
Keep your syncros, the tiny advantage a dog box gives you isnt worth it on a road car mate.
13-12-2007, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Stavros
When driving like a madman, no, driving normally, yes.
And trust me, on a daily driver you will HATE it.
Its fine driving fast, but stop start normal stuff dog boxes suck ass.
Keep your syncros, the tiny advantage a dog box gives you isnt worth it on a road car mate.
And trust me, on a daily driver you will HATE it.
Its fine driving fast, but stop start normal stuff dog boxes suck ass.
Keep your syncros, the tiny advantage a dog box gives you isnt worth it on a road car mate.
cheers
13-12-2007, 07:39 PM
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dog boxes are brilliant,but you must be able to change gear well to not damage one,takes a very aggresive driver to treat one correctly,definatly not for the road.
13-12-2007, 07:57 PM
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We got a PPG one in the R33GTR.
As above said, treat it gentle and you will crunch the shit out of it and kill it dead quick, need to know how to use it.
Luckily I knew to be hard with it before id ever used one, so been ok in it.
Dont make it nice to drive normally tho!
And though you WILL fairly quickly get used to driving it hard, driving it in your average road conditions is horrible, i mean really horrible, enough to make you not want to bother going out for a drive.
Shame, as when really avin it, its mint, lol.
Competition car, yes, normal car, dont be daft.
As above said, treat it gentle and you will crunch the shit out of it and kill it dead quick, need to know how to use it.
Luckily I knew to be hard with it before id ever used one, so been ok in it.
Dont make it nice to drive normally tho!
And though you WILL fairly quickly get used to driving it hard, driving it in your average road conditions is horrible, i mean really horrible, enough to make you not want to bother going out for a drive.
Shame, as when really avin it, its mint, lol.
Competition car, yes, normal car, dont be daft.
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13-12-2007, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sas
H-pattern dog box, you use should the clutch for each change
Sequential box, normally fitted with shift cut, you dont need to use the clutch
S.
Sequential box, normally fitted with shift cut, you dont need to use the clutch
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we fitted one to a customers car and he broke it with in 10 miles of leaving us
14-12-2007, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sas
H-pattern dog box, you use should the clutch for each change
Sequential box, normally fitted with shift cut, you dont need to use the clutch
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Sequential box, normally fitted with shift cut, you dont need to use the clutch
S.
14-12-2007, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary @ APT
the box was about 4k but lucky he only bent a selector arm,but still needed box to be stripped again
14-12-2007, 08:19 AM
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Off the line yes...after that mine changes better and wears the dogs less with no clutch, up and down shift, but you do need to practice.....you do need to de-torque the engine slightly (with your feet)
With cheaper dog boxes people do tend to clutch down, but with an FFD or similar bang it down......
With cheaper dog boxes people do tend to clutch down, but with an FFD or similar bang it down......
14-12-2007, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
Originally Posted by sas
H-pattern dog box, you use should the clutch for each change
Sequential box, normally fitted with shift cut, you dont need to use the clutch
S.
Sequential box, normally fitted with shift cut, you dont need to use the clutch
S.
My information is based on experience.
When we had H-patten dogboxes in the Pug 306 touring cars we found out that the dog got knocked of the gears within one event when they didnt use the clutch, so we got the drivers to use the clutch! this ment the dogs would last 2 to 3 events.
When running touring cars with sequenshal boxes with shift cut the drivers dont use the clutch but the gears still last 2 to 3 events.
Again its subject to the driving style of the driver
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14-12-2007, 08:46 AM
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I've driven a car with a sequential in it and its hard work 
Not sure if that was me being afraid of breaking something as it sounds like you have everytime you change gear
Sequential gearbox and perfect gearing on ANY car makes it feel f**king ballistic though
Not sure if that was me being afraid of breaking something as it sounds like you have everytime you change gear
Sequential gearbox and perfect gearing on ANY car makes it feel f**king ballistic though
14-12-2007, 01:10 PM
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And you will find with race cars with dog boxes when they are driving in the wet they will use the clutch to come down to stop the wheels locking up.
Some one correct me if im wrong
Some one correct me if im wrong
14-12-2007, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by krypton
And you will find with race cars with dog boxes when they are driving in the wet they will use the clutch to come down to stop the wheels locking up.
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14-12-2007, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Originally Posted by krypton
And you will find with race cars with dog boxes when they are driving in the wet they will use the clutch to come down to stop the wheels locking up.
Some one correct me if im wrong
Some one correct me if im wrong
14-12-2007, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman
If dog boxes are no good for road cars what are you ment to use in a big spec Escos?
14-12-2007, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
No, mullet boxes are staight cut, not dog engagement although I think Bara is working on a dog box at the mo 
Glebe do a straight cut one too, are the gears then what it says on the tin just straight and no H pattern
Excuse my ignorance folks..
14-12-2007, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Originally Posted by krypton
And you will find with race cars with dog boxes when they are driving in the wet they will use the clutch to come down to stop the wheels locking up.
Some one correct me if im wrong
Some one correct me if im wrong
14-12-2007, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
No, mullet boxes are staight cut, not dog engagement although I think Bara is working on a dog box at the mo
Glebe do a straight cut one too, are the gears then what it says on the tin just straight and no H pattern
Excuse my ignorance folks..
the 'h' pattern bit is how it selects its engagement method you can have single 'h' and double 'h' where the gears are laid out from the stick in a 'h' pattern, the alternative 'sequential' where you have to select each gear in turn sequentialy funnily enough !!
14-12-2007, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
Originally Posted by Gary @ APT
the box was about 4k but lucky he only bent a selector arm,but still needed box to be stripped again
14-12-2007, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary @ APT
Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
Originally Posted by Gary @ APT
the box was about 4k but lucky he only bent a selector arm,but still needed box to be stripped again
14-12-2007, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary @ APT
Originally Posted by Cosworth Rallyesport
Originally Posted by Gary @ APT
the box was about 4k but lucky he only bent a selector arm,but still needed box to be stripped again
14-12-2007, 07:46 PM
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if it was a 300 bhp in a rally car with rally tyres on i would never clucth any dog box but 4x4 with slicks on track with high power i would always clutch cause something will brake somewhere
14-12-2007, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by andrewg
if it was a 300 bhp in a rally car with rally tyres on i would never clucth any dog box but 4x4 with slicks on track with high power i would always clutch cause something will brake somewhere
mind you you have a R+D dont you? so i can understand you being nervous about breakages
